Do the lack of multiple "season MVP titles" take away from Kobe's personal greatness?

[Coupé It]

It's an award given to the most popular, talented guy on a top team.

Those 3 things only fell into place for him once. No biggie.

Pretty much.

Unless writers get voting fatigue. Jordan was robbed a couple times. Wonder if they'll start treating LeBron like that soon.

 

[menacin methods]

No way! Kobe Bryant is a champion.

 

[airjordan jb23]

Nash has the same amount as Kobe and shaq combined. Still weird to think about.

Scammed J. Kidd out of his in his NJ days.

J Kidd not winning back in '02 still doesn't sit right with me to this day >:

 

[Humbled]

I think it does a little bit, but Bean's other acolades MORE than make up for his lack of MVPs. Regardless dude is top 10, period.

 

[trasoul82]

Nash has the same amount as Kobe and shaq combined. Still weird to think about.

Steve Nash is still much, much closer to Shaq and Kobe in terms of individual greatness than Robert Horry is to Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Julius Erving, Karl Malone, John Stockton and Patrick Ewing despite having as many rings as all of these players combined.

The bottom line is that the MVP award is the most air tight way of measuring individual greatness. Sure, you can find extreme examples as a way to diminish its value . And the example with Steve Nash you brought up is just about the most extreme example in NBA's almost 70 year old history, yet it still isn't even as 1% ridiculous as comparing multiple ring winners such as Bill Wennington, Mark Madsen and Adam Morrison to Charles Barkley, Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing. Or even Finals MVP winners like Cedric Maxwell and Jo Jo White for that matter.

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I don't think you really believe those bolded words. Nash was a sharpshooter and super-passer more so than a game-changer. I mean, the dude never MADE it to the Finals... Think about THAT. Horry used to ball in the playoffs. Hell, Horry is a big reason Nash never made it to the Finals (hockey check, swag). And what Horry did to Detroit in game 5 of the '05 finals was greater than any particular thing Nash did in his entire career.

 

[Baby Face Nelson]

To answer OP's question I don't think it takes away from his greatness at all. I'm willing to bet that Kobe would trade his MVP trophy for a 6th ring. Over the last 10 years the MVP award has been a joke quite frankly. Kidd was robbed in 02. Shaq was robbed in 05, Kobe was robbed in 06,and Lebron was robbed in 2011. What Lebron did to that young man in the 2011 ECF was the reason why he sat out and didn't want to his psyche tested again. I'll much rather be in Hakeem, Shaq and Kobe's shoes than Karl Malone and Steve Nash's.

 

[gmoney7781]

Thinking about it, Kobe will prob go down as an underrated player if that makes sense. Maybe more like underappreciated. He started played in a time when Jordan, Shaq, and Lebron were in their primes (maybe not Jordan). His personality is overshadowed by their starpower.

 

[ill steelo]

And what argument is that?


Russell, Kareem, and Wilt pretty much **** all over Shaq's resume, IMO.

Not taking anything away from Russell or Wilt, but they played in a time that talent significantly lacked compared to the modern day player. Shaq was the most dominant force on the planet for over a decade.

For over an entire decade? Which decade is this?

Jordan & Dream owned the '90s. By '06 Shaq was washed.

 

[dt43]

Thinking about it, Kobe will prob go down as an underrated player if that makes sense. Maybe more like underappreciated. He started played in a time when Jordan, Shaq, and Lebron were in their primes (maybe not Jordan). His personality is overshadowed by their starpower.

Kobe is an icon of the Los Angeles Lakers. He's known internationally as the face of one of the most popular sports franchise ever. He actually overshadows all of those guys overseas (including Jordan) .

It's safe to say that his legend will remain strong for as long as the NBA itself is around. We're talking about a guy who is going to be immortalized with a statue outside Staples Center.

 

[statis22]

Was was probably the single most difficult guy to defend from the time he entered the game in 92 till the tail end of his prime in 2005. Probably the most difficult guy to referee, they had to change the rules because of Shaq.

Yea I'd say he was one of if not the most dominant players in NBA history. Definitely in his era.

 

[dirtybuhbuhnew]

Kobe is an icon of the Los Angeles Lakers. He's known internationally as the face of one of the most popular sports franchise ever. He actually overshadows all of those guys overseas (including Jordan) .

It's safe to say that his legend will remain strong for as long as the NBA itself is around. We're talking about a guy who is going to be immortalized with a statue outside Staples Center.

OVER JORDAN WORLD WIDE? YOU TRIPPIN bruh

 

[sea manup]

another kobe thread?

 

[vindeezy]

Kobe is freekin huge in china and the Philippines to name a few. Like larger than life.

 

[RyGuy45]

Mike's seasons he wasn't voted MVP :x


1986-87 - 82 G, 37.1 PPG, 4.6 AST, 5.2 REB, 2.9 STL, 1.5 BLK, .482 FG, .857 FT. #1 in NBA in PER, Bulls 40-42
1988-89 - 81 G, 32.5 PPG, 8.0 AST, 8.0 REB, 2.9 STL, 0.8 BLK, .538 FG, .850 FT. #1 in NBA in PER, Bulls 47-35
1989-90 - 82 G, 33.6 PPG, 6.3 AST, 6.9 REB, 2.8 STL, 0.7 BLK, .526 FG, .848 FT. #1 in NBA in PER, Bulls 55-27
1992-93 - 78 G, 32.6 PPG, 5.5 AST, 6.7 REB, 2.8 STL, 0.8 BLK, .495 FG, .837 FT. #1 in NBA in PER, Bulls 57-25
1996-97 - 82 G, 29.6 PPG, 4.3 AST, 5.9 REB, 1.7 STL, 0.5 BLK, .486 FG, .833 FT. #2 in NBA in PER, Bulls 69-13

 

[sea manup]

Mike's seasons he wasn't voted MVP

1986-87 - 82 G, 37.1 PPG, 4.6 AST, 5.2 REB, 2.9 STL, 1.5 BLK, .482 FG, .857 FT. #1 in NBA in PER, Bulls 40-42
1988-89 - 81 G, 32.5 PPG, 8.0 AST, 8.0 REB, 2.9 STL, 0.8 BLK, .538 FG, .850 FT. #1 in NBA in PER, Bulls 47-35
1989-90 - 82 G, 33.6 PPG, 6.3 AST, 6.9 REB, 2.8 STL, 0.7 BLK, .526 FG, .848 FT. #1 in NBA in PER, Bulls 55-27
1992-93 - 78 G, 32.6 PPG, 5.5 AST, 6.7 REB, 2.8 STL, 0.8 BLK, .495 FG, .837 FT. #1 in NBA in PER, Bulls 57-25
1996-97 - 82 G, 29.6 PPG, 4.3 AST, 5.9 REB, 1.7 STL, 0.5 BLK, .486 FG, .833 FT. #2 in NBA in PER, Bulls 69-13

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

wait who got it in the 96-97 season? that's crazy

 

[sea manup]

wait who got it in the 96-97 season? that's crazy

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