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Do the lack of multiple "season MVP titles" take away from Kobe's personal greatness?
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cuz kids always be on that ****.
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MVP award is overrated and flawed...
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Kobe was never the best player in the NBA thats why
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the mvp award has been flawed and most of the years from 2002 on you can make an argument for someone else as being worthy of being the mvp that season, word to jason kidd getting robbed in 2002.
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they gave those mvps 2 nash because hes white and stern didnt want all the "goons" to take over the industry
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Steve Nash is still much, much closer to Shaq and Kobe in terms of individual greatness than Robert Horry is to Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Julius Erving, Karl Malone, John Stockton and Patrick Ewing despite having as many rings as all of these players combined.
The bottom line is that the MVP award is the most air tight way of measuring individual greatness. Sure, you can find extreme examples as a way to diminish its value . And the example with Steve Nash you brought up is just about the most extreme example in NBA's almost 70 year old history, yet it still isn't even as 1% ridiculous as comparing multiple ring winners such as Bill Wennington, Mark Madsen and Adam Morrison to Charles Barkley, Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing. Or even Finals MVP winners like Cedric Maxwell and Jo Jo White for that matter.
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And what argument is that?
Russell, Kareem, and Wilt pretty much **** all over Shaq's resume, IMO.
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To me it doesn't, to most it may.
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Of course it does. It doesn't mean that he isn't a top 10 player or anything but when we get to comparing the best ever, his one MVP does mean something. His best prime years were spent on mediocre teams unfortunately, bad luck but it still holds weight.
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no and although i wasnt mad at him winning in 08 i felt cp3 deserved it a little bit more
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you bring up single player stats people bring up championships, you bring up championships people bring up single player stats....... nobody wins.........
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It's an award given to the most popular, talented guy on a top team.
Those 3 things only fell into place for him once. No biggie.
Those 3 things only fell into place for him once. No biggie.
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whoever keeps mentioning bench players with multiple rings, stop. from now on, no more mentioning bench players, only starters. im so mad that the nba gave those last two mvps to nash. it was obvious kobe literally, not figuratively, put the team on his back doe taking them to the playoffs in the western conference (western conference is known to have tougher competition for all u newbs)
kobe is the 2nd greatest shooting guard of all time.
and i know this is just a highlight vid but damn im going to miss him when hes gone. *tears streaming*
kobe is the 2nd greatest shooting guard of all time.
and i know this is just a highlight vid but damn im going to miss him when hes gone. *tears streaming*
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Yup.
Another yup.
Still, because the media will always be the way they are (obsess over MVP talk and "embrace debate" 24 hours a day) Kobe will definitely get hit by the historians and kids down the road for "only" winning one.
And also, we know we can never use "it was a joke" Kobe didn't win MVPs during that one stretch this decade because of this:
2004-05 - Lakers 21st best record in league
2005-06 - Lakers 10th best record in league
2006-07 - Lakers tied for 12th best record in league
That's not the way the NBA voting has worked (for the most part)
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regular season MVP's (and other regular season awards like scoring title, etc) lose their luster if the guy can't win a championship . . .
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Precisely..there was no stat padding in 05-06 and 06-07...he had to droo 40..if he didnt, they lose...tm falls behind by 15..he goes on a 15-0 run by himself to tie it up...
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I don't understand how you guys think Kobe pads his stats, Lebron does it more than any one.
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Not taking anything away from Russell or Wilt, but they played in a time that talent significantly lacked compared to the modern day player. Shaq was the most dominant force on the planet for over a decade. I think The Dream doo doos on all of them if we are talking about personal greatness. Probably the most skilled big man ever.
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Like in gm 5 when d.wade took over and it was a 15 pnt lead and lebron scored half his points when the gm was out of reach..and all colin cowherd kept saying was "33-10-11"..what a masterful performance. .knowing damb well for first 36 mins duke was playing passively and had no faith in his jumper
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Wilt and Russel played vs undeveloped players. It was MUCH less competion back then.
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Exactly.
