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Man, if it weren't for the stupid "Historical AJPW Hulk Ups out of Dangerous Suplexes"(which I have always hated) this match would have gotten ALL the Stars.

Suwama got hyped when he landed that DropKick :lol:

Smooth rollup by Suwama after the 2nd Splash by Nomura.

The climax of that match was special.

Simple wrestling. Not a lot of goofy stuff (other than what I mentioned), good energy.

Good Good Match
 
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Omega vs. OKADA : WK11 is way too long for a novice. :lol:

Yea if you want to scare away a casual or old wrestling fan that dipped out on wrestling after 2001, go ahead and put on one of those 50 minute matches :lol :lol the ideal match for them would be 20 minutes, which includes entrances, and preferably nonstop action. Austin vs Bret from WM 13 like ITO said, CM Punk vs Taker from WM 29, HBK vs Shelton from 2005, Orton vs Cactus Jack from Backlash 04, or Edge/Rey vs Angle/Benoit from No Mercy 02. A lot of variety there.
 
Actually surprised vince let's them do that.

As with most stuff those 3 get away with, Vince probably just doesn't get it lol. Not confirmed on the armbands, but has definitely been confirmed about a LOT of the stuff TND is able to pull off.
 
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The debut of Nitro before an estimated 2,000 fans at the Mall of America in Minneapolis was overall a huge success as far as making a mark the first night out. There were the requisite first-time problems, the most obvious of which was the announcing. Bobby Heenan was better than he's been on recent Saturday and PPV shows, but his gimmick is predictable old hat today. Bischoff can't call a match and both were world's better than Steve McMichael, who came off as obnoxious and clueless at the same time, which is not the best combination for someone playing a babyface role. All three appeared to go into the show unprepared, so with preparation they could improve, but McMichael didn't appear to have any potential in the role as he's a natural heel, is not quick-witted enough for his role, doesn't speak well and most importantly, is in no way a big enough celebrity that he's means squat when it comes to ratings. The sooner they drop him the better and it isn't going to be sooner. All the matches were rushed and if that's the case when it's a three-match show, imagine what it'll look like next week when they try to cram Sabu vs. Alex Wright, Sting vs. Michael Wallstreet, Randy Savage vs. Scott Norton and a Hogan-Luger title match into approximately 24 minutes of wrestling time. This isn't even to consider that line-up for free has far more intrigue than what WCW is asking fans six days later to spend $25.95 to see. The first change should be to book no more than three matches per show as based on the first show, they don't need more than that if they are going to do interviews, angles and videos building up the next week. Some shows, if they've got a hot match like a Malenko-Guerrero that needs time to be effective, only need two matches and it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world for once or twice a year do a one match show, as those shows end up being the most memorable anyway. The crowd enthusiasm came off strong and the quality of the wrestling was good, and with introduction of Luger and Norton, the angles were surprises as opposed to the typical transparent stuff. A negative was the Sting-Flair non-finish, because if this ends up being a pattern, it'll turn viewers off to the competition.

A. In a dark match before the television started, **** Slater & Bunkhouse Buck lost a non-title match to Marcus Bagwell & Scotty Riggs (American Males). Match was said to be really bad.

1. Brian Pillman pinned Jushin Liger in 6:53 when Liger went for a german suplex but Pillman reversed it into a cradle. It appeared the fans didn't know what to make of this match but enjoyed it. There were some missed spots and bad timing early, but it turned into a very good, albeit rushed match. In a match like this, the announcers being out-of-date with what would be contemporary world wide style (perhaps futuristic U.S. style) showed as the hot moves that were used for near falls were described by such names as an "Oh my gosh," "a tremendous move," and "an aerial attack" by Bischoff. At another point, the announcers were making jokes while Pillman had Liger in an abdominal stretch which should have been sold as a potential submission maneuver, although to his credit, when they went to a near fall, Bischoff cut off the joke to call the two count. Liger didn't look as good as he did pre-injury (the injury was acknowledged by Bischoff at the start of the match) when he was top three or four in the world, but still was good. After Liger did a flip bodyblock off the apron and Pillman came back with a plancha off the top to the floor, Liger got a near fall with a superplex while standing on the top rope; Liger came off the top but was hit by a dropkick by Pillman for a near fall. Liger used a power bomb for a near fall (the only move in the finishing sequence called). Liger used a Frankensteiner off the top for a near fall but Pillman came back with a swinging DDT off the middle rope before the finish. ***1/2

2. Flair and Sting went to a no contest in 11:31. This was the typical Flair-Sting match everyone has seen except they also rushed through it since they didn't have enough time. Flair worked really hard while Sting was just there for the spots. Luger came out early and then left. Arn Anderson came out later in the match with them teasing that he and Flair had made up to make you think he was going to help Flair. At one point Sting glared at Anderson, allowing Flair to clip him, enforcing the belief Flair and Anderson had patched it up. Flair immediately went into the figure four and Flair was holding onto the ropes for leverage when Anderson did a run-in and the ref called for the bell. After that, Anderson attacked Flair and they had a brief brawl. ***1/4

Norton showed up out of nowhere and his name was never even mentioned until after the angle was over. Norton went face-to-face with McMichael who nearly succeeded in killing the entire angle Ed Whalen style by laughing at someone who is supposed to be a killer heel. Savage showed up to save the day in more ways than one, and after a commercial break they announced the match had been signed for next week.

Mike Rotunda then did an interview, doing what appeared to be a Million Dollar Man knockoff as Michael Wallstreet (the role he used briefly before going to WWF as IRS), making a few knocks at the WWF saying the New Generation is the Few Generation and that he's sure the IRS will be watching him.

3. Hulk Hogan beat Big Bubba Rogers to keep the WCW title in 7:08. It wasn't great wrestling but Rogers worked hard to carry things and Hogan was motivated. Rogers chased Jimmy Hart and got his jacket away, but Hogan put the jacket on Bubba's face and started punching him. After kicking out of the Bubba-slam, Hogan did the superman comeback with a foot to the face and legdrop for the pin. After the match the Dungeon of Doom attacked Hogan, Luger made the save and Hogan and Luger went nose-to-nose with Savage and Sting trying to break them up. **1/4
 
We should have a catch up day for people that miss the Nitro watch along on Monday’s Or the people that can’t watch 2 episodes in one day.
I’m thinking Tuesday or Saturday can be the catch up day.
But basically people have all week to catch up on their own which is what I did last week.
 
We should have a catch up day for people that miss the Nitro watch along on Monday’s Or the people that can’t watch 2 episodes in one day.
I’m thinking Tuesday or Saturday can be the catch up day.
But basically people have all week to catch up on their own which is what I did last week.
Yea if you miss the Live Watch Along, just watch it on your own time during the course of the week.
 
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The debut of Nitro before an estimated 2,000 fans at the Mall of America in Minneapolis was overall a huge success as far as making a mark the first night out. There were the requisite first-time problems, the most obvious of which was the announcing. Bobby Heenan was better than he's been on recent Saturday and PPV shows, but his gimmick is predictable old hat today. Bischoff can't call a match and both were world's better than Steve McMichael, who came off as obnoxious and clueless at the same time, which is not the best combination for someone playing a babyface role. All three appeared to go into the show unprepared, so with preparation they could improve, but McMichael didn't appear to have any potential in the role as he's a natural heel, is not quick-witted enough for his role, doesn't speak well and most importantly, is in no way a big enough celebrity that he's means squat when it comes to ratings. The sooner they drop him the better and it isn't going to be sooner. All the matches were rushed and if that's the case when it's a three-match show, imagine what it'll look like next week when they try to cram Sabu vs. Alex Wright, Sting vs. Michael Wallstreet, Randy Savage vs. Scott Norton and a Hogan-Luger title match into approximately 24 minutes of wrestling time. This isn't even to consider that line-up for free has far more intrigue than what WCW is asking fans six days later to spend $25.95 to see. The first change should be to book no more than three matches per show as based on the first show, they don't need more than that if they are going to do interviews, angles and videos building up the next week. Some shows, if they've got a hot match like a Malenko-Guerrero that needs time to be effective, only need two matches and it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world for once or twice a year do a one match show, as those shows end up being the most memorable anyway. The crowd enthusiasm came off strong and the quality of the wrestling was good, and with introduction of Luger and Norton, the angles were surprises as opposed to the typical transparent stuff. A negative was the Sting-Flair non-finish, because if this ends up being a pattern, it'll turn viewers off to the competition.

A. In a dark match before the television started, **** Slater & Bunkhouse Buck lost a non-title match to Marcus Bagwell & Scotty Riggs (American Males). Match was said to be really bad.

1. Brian Pillman pinned Jushin Liger in 6:53 when Liger went for a german suplex but Pillman reversed it into a cradle. It appeared the fans didn't know what to make of this match but enjoyed it. There were some missed spots and bad timing early, but it turned into a very good, albeit rushed match. In a match like this, the announcers being out-of-date with what would be contemporary world wide style (perhaps futuristic U.S. style) showed as the hot moves that were used for near falls were described by such names as an "Oh my gosh," "a tremendous move," and "an aerial attack" by Bischoff. At another point, the announcers were making jokes while Pillman had Liger in an abdominal stretch which should have been sold as a potential submission maneuver, although to his credit, when they went to a near fall, Bischoff cut off the joke to call the two count. Liger didn't look as good as he did pre-injury (the injury was acknowledged by Bischoff at the start of the match) when he was top three or four in the world, but still was good. After Liger did a flip bodyblock off the apron and Pillman came back with a plancha off the top to the floor, Liger got a near fall with a superplex while standing on the top rope; Liger came off the top but was hit by a dropkick by Pillman for a near fall. Liger used a power bomb for a near fall (the only move in the finishing sequence called). Liger used a Frankensteiner off the top for a near fall but Pillman came back with a swinging DDT off the middle rope before the finish. ***1/2

2. Flair and Sting went to a no contest in 11:31. This was the typical Flair-Sting match everyone has seen except they also rushed through it since they didn't have enough time. Flair worked really hard while Sting was just there for the spots. Luger came out early and then left. Arn Anderson came out later in the match with them teasing that he and Flair had made up to make you think he was going to help Flair. At one point Sting glared at Anderson, allowing Flair to clip him, enforcing the belief Flair and Anderson had patched it up. Flair immediately went into the figure four and Flair was holding onto the ropes for leverage when Anderson did a run-in and the ref called for the bell. After that, Anderson attacked Flair and they had a brief brawl. ***1/4

Norton showed up out of nowhere and his name was never even mentioned until after the angle was over. Norton went face-to-face with McMichael who nearly succeeded in killing the entire angle Ed Whalen style by laughing at someone who is supposed to be a killer heel. Savage showed up to save the day in more ways than one, and after a commercial break they announced the match had been signed for next week.

Mike Rotunda then did an interview, doing what appeared to be a Million Dollar Man knockoff as Michael Wallstreet (the role he used briefly before going to WWF as IRS), making a few knocks at the WWF saying the New Generation is the Few Generation and that he's sure the IRS will be watching him.

3. Hulk Hogan beat Big Bubba Rogers to keep the WCW title in 7:08. It wasn't great wrestling but Rogers worked hard to carry things and Hogan was motivated. Rogers chased Jimmy Hart and got his jacket away, but Hogan put the jacket on Bubba's face and started punching him. After kicking out of the Bubba-slam, Hogan did the superman comeback with a foot to the face and legdrop for the pin. After the match the Dungeon of Doom attacked Hogan, Luger made the save and Hogan and Luger went nose-to-nose with Savage and Sting trying to break them up. **1/4
meltzer sounds like a real tool
 
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