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are you having a seizure?I'm calling spade a spade.
You are obviously emotional the lack of character development of Superman. Superman.
Think about that.
I'm not attacking you I'm making an observation.
WEAK.these simpleton answersBecause no gives a **** about Superman.
Go outside interact with real human beings. You might meet a girl and get some *****.
You have to want more out of life than arguing about sports and super hero movies on a sneaker messageboard
“What’s the point of telling people how much you didn’t like something, how much you think a movie has destroyed your vision of a character or a comic has made you feel like you wasted your money. ”
To motivate them to create something better? To challenge low standards? If you love something, you want it to be as good as it can be, yeah? Or are we supposed to just be grateful that these things exist, no matter how they're executed?
Enough of this “stop hating” stuff, please. Criticism should be taken on a case by case basis, and saying that negativity never has a purpose is completely ignoring all of the legitimate criticism out there.
Criticism is and remains a very valid, even vital, avenue of discourse. Doing away with it makes no sense, as a cogent summary of issues can be invaluable in eventual growth and improvement.
There's an open dialog in the movie about Superman's decisions and heroics. Clark has a conversation with Lois where she talks about the cost of being a hero and the perception of him after thanking him for rescuing her. I thought the movie showed Supes struggle with heroism and perception fine.
The courtroom was just a set-up by Lex to make Supes look bad. He knew Supes would show up because he wants to be fair and do things humanities way even though he is much more powerful than them. Lex took advantage of that and Lex Luthor has been setting up Supes to look bad for decades. Lex can't control the world if Superman can walk (or fly haha) freely.
Superman on screen to me just looked like someone who wanted to help people in need. He flew to Africa. He flew to Mexico to save that little girl in the burning building. He flew to Russia to stop that rocket from crashing and blowing up. Throughout the movie the discussion comes up that sometimes people perceive things wrongly and Superman is starting to be OK with that as long as he can help people.
When he gives his life to stop Doomsday, that continues with the theme of Superman throughout the film where he just wants to do the right thing and protect humanity. Even at a cost to him, whether it's wrongly perceived bad publicity or his life.
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thanks for the well thought out answer.There's an open dialog in the movie about Superman's decisions and heroics. Clark has a conversation with Lois where she talks about the cost of being a hero and the perception of him after thanking him for rescuing her. I thought the movie showed Supes struggle with heroism and perception fine.
The courtroom was just a set-up by Lex to make Supes look bad. He knew Supes would show up because he wants to be fair and do things humanities way even though he is much more powerful than them. Lex took advantage of that and Lex Luthor has been setting up Supes to look bad for decades. Lex can't control the world if Superman can walk (or fly haha) freely.
Superman on screen to me just looked like someone who wanted to help people in need. He flew to Africa. He flew to Mexico to save that little girl in the burning building. He flew to Russia to stop that rocket from crashing and blowing up. Throughout the movie the discussion comes up that sometimes people perceive things wrongly and Superman is starting to be OK with that as long as he can help people.
When he gives his life to stop Doomsday, that continues with the theme of Superman throughout the film where he just wants to do the right thing and protect humanity. Even at a cost to him, whether it's wrongly perceived bad publicity or his life.
Again, he talks about things with lois but where's the development and progression of his world view/character?
the world already unfairly blamed him for a bunch of things, from a screen writing perspective blowing the court room up did nothing to change the public opinion of superman. it was just more of the "was he involved?" news clips that dont advance the story. It was simply just a lazy way to get out of having to actually address the issues surrounding superman.
the clips of superman doing good in the world helped but also emphasise how poor the pacing was, they had to resort to a 30 second montage to show superman being a hero rather than through his actions over the course of the movie.
Zach doesn't hate Superman.
Zach doesn't hate Superman.
Okay fine. Zach hates the Superman that has existed in comics and other media for the last 50 years.
The point is he clearly doesn't agree with the central themes of the best, most famous superman stories. So why make a Superman movie, just stick with Batman something that is closer to is Ayn Randian world view.
Zach doesn't hate Superman.
Okay fine. Zach hates the Superman that has existed in comics and other media for the last 50 years.
The point is he clearly doesn't agree with the central themes of the best, most famous superman stories. So why make a Superman movie, just stick with Batman something that is closer to is Ayn Randian world view.
If by hate you mean he stopped wasting our time saving cats in trees and stopping cat burglars, and Lex Luthor screaming MISS TESMACHERRRRR!!!!
And upgraded to actual threats to humanity, or moral dilemmas of friend or foe, or control, or democracy, or in this case working with partners to take down a threat....
Then I guess he hates him.
I look at it like it's about ******* time we started seeing these views. You're worried about red underwear and Boyscout ****, Zach is showing actual collateral damage and how to be a "hero"
Summed up nicely by PA Kent.....we saved the farm, I was a big hero, but later found out the water flooded the next farm over, drown everyone.
Zach is doing fine. Not perfect, but he's trying to modernize a story with real possibilities.
This planet would freak the **** out seein a dude fly around, catch bullets, laser eye beam ****. Whole planet would panic. Zach is showing what some of that might look like.
I don't think the Superman of the last 50 years can work in the universe of contemporary Superhero movies and not seem out of place.
I think that's more of a challenge to the creative team making the movie not some impossibility in today's contemporary superhero movies.Zach doesn't hate Superman.
Okay fine. Zach hates the Superman that has existed in comics and other media for the last 50 years.
The point is he clearly doesn't agree with the central themes of the best, most famous superman stories. So why make a Superman movie, just stick with Batman something that is closer to is Ayn Randian world view.
I don't think the Superman of the last 50 years can work in the universe of contemporary Superhero movies and not seem out of place.
Frank Miller is typically who I think of when I imagine someone that hates Superman.
The thing is you can have different tones in the same universe. Batman is a dark character, give him dark gritty movies. Superman can have lighter hopefully movies and still have it in the same universe.
Like how it's believable that Jessica Jones and Antman are in the same universe.
If by hate you mean he stopped wasting our time saving cats in trees and stopping cat burglars, and Lex Luthor screaming MISS TESMACHERRRRR!!!!
And upgraded to actual threats to humanity, or moral dilemmas of friend or foe, or control, or democracy, or in this case working with partners to take down a threat....
Then I guess he hates him.
I look at it like it's about ******* time we started seeing these views. You're worried about red underwear and Boyscout ****, Zach is showing actual collateral damage and how to be a "hero"
Summed up nicely by PA Kent.....we saved the farm, I was a big hero, but later found out the water flooded the next farm over, drown everyone.
Zach is doing fine. Not perfect, but he's trying to modernize a story with real possibilities.
This planet would freak the **** out seein a dude fly around, catch bullets, laser eye beam ****. Whole planet would panic. Zach is showing what some of that might look like.
thats fine, you don't like superman.
I do.
There in lies my point. They could have picked another less problematic character to deal with those issues, if he wanted instead of changing a character into something that doesn't make any sense.
I don't think the Superman of the last 50 years can work in the universe of contemporary Superhero movies and not seem out of place.
I couldn't disagree more.
I think its an underdeveloped 14 year old adolescent boys thought processes that have people thinking = cynicism, darkness, violence, murder, = realistic.
I mean the first black president was elected in a country who's entire political history is defined by racism/white supremacy....on a platform of hope and change.
So forgive me if I think a Superhero based on optimism and hope is "out of place"
Word of mouth killed it. Remains to be seen if word of mouth will do the same with BvS.
I'm sticking to my prediction that it's going to kill the American audience for upcoming weekends but might still be largely unaffected overseas.