Bulls offseason Thread

[illmatic34]

I'm not blinded, but tired of it a little. Tired of having a team in the Top 5 in attendance year after year and continually seeing a small market mentality. I agree they have made some smart moves, but they have made some cheap ones as well. The simple fact is that other players see this and wonder what Chicago really is.

A lot of the NBA is image and what teams portray to players. The Lakers and Knicks are always spending and to others it looks like they are trying to win. The Heat have South Beach and Pat Riley to sell to players that is the spot to be. What do the Bulls have? A penny pinching owner and a petty front office. That is what it looks like and tell me that it doesn't. Sometimes perception is reality.

Good points. Thing is I've heard some people say this stigma is dating back to the MJ/Phil era... But honestly how does stuff that happened in the 90s affect people's views on the front office today? Don't know if you guys listen to Waddle and Silvy but they had a convo about this about two weeks ago. We haven't been able to reel in the big fish. That's a legitimate gripe to share with everyone else - I'm critical of them for that. But when I see and hear things about Reinsdorf being cheap and the front office sucking, I get annoyed at it because people seem to have a penchant for bringing it up. GarPax hired Thibs, a top 5 coach, and was able to hit on nearly all their first rounders minus James Johnson and Marquis Teague. We ended up giving huge contacts to Boozer and Big Ben - also we rewarded guys like Deng and Gibson and admittedly they're earning more than they really should. Criticize them for not getting a superstar, not for doing the best they can do with the cards they're dealt.

 

[prostaffer]

I think the 90's stuff is long gone. I mean Pip works for the front office. In fact I'm sure there are players that think he's a punk now just mooching off his name. I mean most of these guys playing weren't even teenagers when Pip and MJ left. They were in Pre-K!

These players all talk to each other and you have to approach this from a guy looking in from the outside. Deng is two-time all-star and they gave him away in what looked like a salary cap move. Don't get me wrong, I wanted Deng dealt, but the trade does look weird to players from the outside. Then that paxson press conference after? Shoot. He's not even the GM and he's stammering his way through the press conference. You expect that guy and the travelocity gnome to get you a free agent?

Another thing I didn't like is at the Paxson press conference when they talked about how Derrick felt about the Deng trade. He said that they never want to get players involved or ask them to get involved in deals. Does that mean they won't ask Derrick to network and get his friends to maybe come here?

I don't listen to Waddle and Silvy. Kind of boring to me hoenstly. I find the Score a lot better except at night time. I like J. Hood alot better than Holmes.

2014 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Bulls 22 476,394 21,654 103.5 21 17,768 91.5 43 19,756 97.9

2013 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Bulls 41 896,944 21,876 104.6 41 18,144 94.4 82 20,010 99.7

NBA Attendance Report - 2012

Season:
2012 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Bulls 33 731,326 22,161 105.9 33 17,989 93.5 66 20,075 100.0

2011 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Bulls 41 893,462 21,791 104.2 41 18,431 96.1 82 20,111 100.3

2010 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Bulls 41 849,760 20,725 99.1 41 17,735 92.2 82 19,230 95.8

NBA Attendance Report - 2009

Season:
2009 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Pistons 41 896,971 21,877 99.1 41 18,024 93.6 82 19,950 96.5
2 Bulls 40 847,903 21,197 97.6 41 17,558 93.6 81 19,355 95.7

NBA Attendance Report - 2008

Season:
2008 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Pistons 41 905,116 22,076 100.0 41 17,714 111.5 82 19,895 104.8
2 Bulls 41 901,502 21,987 101.3 41 17,353 106.0 82 19,670 103.3


NBA Attendance Report - 2007

Season:
2007 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Bulls 41 912,364 22,252 102.5 41 18,153 113.4 82 20,202 107.1

NBA Attendance Report - 2006

Season:
2006 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Pistons 41 905,116 22,076 100.0 41 18,637 123.9 82 20,356 109.7
2 Bulls 41 868,720 21,188 97.6 41 17,397 119.6 82 19,292 106.4

NBA Attendance Report - 2005

Season:
2005 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Pistons 41 905,116 22,076 100.0 41 17,868 110.8 82 19,972 104.6
2 Bulls 41 828,384 20,204 93.1 41 17,334 107.2 82 18,769 99.1

NBA Attendance Report - 2004

Season:
2004 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 Pistons 41 872,902 21,290 96.4 41 17,127 107.8 82 19,209 101.2
2 Mavericks 41 825,594 20,136 -- 41 17,452 113.6 82 18,794 244.6
3 Bulls 41 809,177 19,736 90.9 41 16,517 106.9 82 18,126 97.6

 

[ballislife32688]

Nope I think most of us in here give the front office there due credit when it comes to there pickups they have a gift for drafting talent, and I feel thats the only role they should play. There business practices on the other hand not so great, there feuding with the coach, the way they handle certain media situations, the contracts, not investing in the bench. They catch well deserved slander at times for a reason.

 

[remi23]

Tyrus Thomas that's all I'm going to say

 

[prostaffer]

This 62 by melo screwing everything up

 

[cato312]

Call me Helen Keller since I'm "blind".

As a season ticket holder, I hold GarPax to a higher standard even though I realize JR holds the coinpurse. We're a big market team, act accordingly. The "we dipped into the LT" justification would be fine, if it weren't for the fact that they dipped into it for the first time because they couldn't correctly execute their plan to be cheap....i.e. signing Kirk outright.

Back to the season...

DJ is ballin

 

[ireminisce]

i can't stand watching the bulls play -- so frustrating to watch on offense, i have no idea where the next points are going to come from.

i honestly don't know how the bulls are #1 in fan attendance especially with the insane weather we have going on here.

CAto312 -- where are your season tickets at?

also, bulls fans.. how do you feel about management doing luol deng dirty? dude was never really appreciated here, sadly.

i'm a mavericks fan if it matters.

 

[cato312]

ireminisce I've been sharing season tix with my cousin for the past few years. 300 level, near midcourt, 7th row. I sometimes swap or pick up tix from my 3 other buddies who are STH as well. From time to time I get lucky and get 100 level seats if they can't go.

Here's an interesting article on Forbes about NBA Team Values / profitability. Don't mind any sensationalism that's seeps from this excerpt. Their take on the Bulls:

The Bulls are the NBA’s third billion-dollar franchise. The team’s $1 billion valuation is up 25% from a year ago. United Center JV, the joint venture between the owners of Chicago’s Bulls and Blackhawks, signed a new arena naming rights agreement with United Airlines in December. The agreement, which begins next season, is estimated to be worth $5 million a year, and enables United to continue to be the official airline of the United Center, the Bulls and the Blackhawks. The Bulls are one of the NBA’s most profitable teams every year thanks to four straight years of league-leading attendance, as well as payroll restraint. Although last season, the Bulls bumped up their payroll and incurred a $3.9 million luxury tax bill. Profits were still fourth highest in the league at $52 million.

Link to article

 

[bcdagr8]

This 62 by melo screwing everything up

why you say that fam?

 

[bcdagr8]

 
 i have no idea where the next points are going to come from.

 

[abubakr shaheed]

i can't stand watching the bulls play -- so frustrating to watch on offense, i have no idea where the next points are going to come from.

i honestly don't know how the bulls are #1 in fan attendance especially with the insane weather we have going on here.

CAto312 -- where are your season tickets at?

also, bulls fans.. how do you feel about management doing luol deng dirty? dude was never really appreciated here, sadly.

i'm a mavericks fan if it matters.

the bulls obviously lack offensive talent, and i also think thibs is limited in what he implements as a system . the ball is usually in the point gaurds hand until there are 10 seconds left in the shot clock.

we are the new version of mike fratellos cavaliers

 

[antbanks81]

Let me get y'all take on this....

SO all the rumors say Melo to LA or CHI, but his wife said she expects him to stay in NY. IMO he will not win a championship there. He will be $40 million richer though. I personally feel like as a pro, you're obviously the bread winner. Although he is married, I don't think the wife has any business directing him. We see how it worked out last time.

 

[ballislife32688]

Nothin about melo and his past actions would tell me he really leaving that money the knicks can offer

 

[cato312]

Let me get y'all take on this....

SO all the rumors say Melo to LA or CHI, but his wife said she expects him to stay in NY. IMO he will not win a championship there. He will be $40 million richer though. I personally feel like as a pro, you're obviously the bread winner. Although he is married, I don't think the wife has any business directing him. We see how it worked out last time.

Ant, my gut says he stays in NY. I don't think he'll leave that much on the table and I can't see Dolan facilitating a sign n trade with a heated historical rival.

 

[antbanks81]

I really felt that he was staying up until about a week or so ago. Plus we have a poor history when it comes to signing big names in free agency. My thing is he needs to shut up and play out the year. That way he can opt out and sign wherever he wants vs waiting for a lucrative sign and trade that pleases NY. Gutting out the team you want to play for obviously didn't work well the first time.

Also don't be surprised if ny traded to Chi because on the low CLE made the sign and trade of Lebron to MIA despite the fact of how disgusted they were. Same for Toronto I believe.

 

[coldcity]

Also don't be surprised if ny traded to Chi because on the low CLE made the sign and trade of Lebron to MIA despite the fact of how disgusted they were. Same for Toronto I believe.

yep all that *****ing they did but oked the sign n trade behind closed doors

 

[abubakr shaheed]

i dont think melo stays in NY if he's serious about winning. whether he comes to chicago is a different story.

and the money left on the table is kind of misleading because that 5th year is one where he will likely still make big money, closing the gap. i really hope he ends up in chicago one way or another.


side note: looked at my tv preview of the bulls game tonight, and the headline is "Taj Gibson contends with Tim Duncan" its gotten that bad

 

[bcdagr8]

i agree if he is serious about winning then he leaves but if he just blowing smoke he stays gets the money bag and be miserable and possibly not even be a hall of famer imo. he has done absolutely nothing except score the ball. i wouldnt mind him coming to the Chi if he buys in and is 150% all in the concept of team basketball none of which i can see him doing just my 2cents

 

[do work son]

whats the injury report for tonight? noah still out?

 

[seymore cake]

Game time decision...

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

Buckets playing pretty good tonight......let's see if we can stretch that spurs losing streak to 3

 

[bcdagr8]

I agree jpf just hit a corner 3 also just wanted to add that I'm A follower of DJ Augustine on Twitter just like Nate Robinson last year nice Pickups

 

[jmause3]

Good win last night. Jo has been playing great lately :ha woukd be nice to see him Rodman's consecutive streak for doulve digit rebounds

 

[cato312]

Good win last night. Jo has been playing great lately :ha woukd be nice to see him Rodman's consecutive streak for doulve digit rebounds

Yup, undermanned or not that's a good start to this road trip.

I saw this question on twitter the other day: Would you prefer Rodman or Jo? If both are fully healthy, I take Jo.

 

[coldcity]

Good win last night. Jo has been playing great lately :ha woukd be nice to see him Rodman's consecutive streak for doulve digit rebounds

Yup, undermanned or not that's a good start to this road trip.

I saw this question on twitter the other day: Would you prefer Rodman or Jo? If both are fully healthy, I take Jo.

Jo all day everyday....