Black Culture Discussion Thread

[illwill8710]

@Diego Pasta true, slavery messed a lot of our history up, but what’s wrong with trying to reclaim it?

It's difficult for African American to identify with Africa as home. Personally I consider myself pro-black but I consider Inglewood home ( I live in Philly). I have more roots, cultural references etc to Inglewood than I have to any part of Africa. That's even after me having several initiations within multiple West African religions (I'm a Yoruba priest(15+ years), multiple Ifa initiations and more I don't care to share on social media). I still don't have a desire to call Africa home because there are very limited cultural references to the continent.

sugafree Is very spot on that these places do not promote black unity at all and treat African Americans horribly. It is very difficult for a African American Yoruba priest to travel to West Africa and get anything going for religious purposes. Now a Latin(x) or White person would be welcomed with open arms to receive religious support. Hell white folk receive special initiations with bells and whistles just for being white in some areas of West Africa. They will also come back with enough information to write books on African Culture. White Authors will even admit to the favoritism if you interview them personally. You will also notice that it is very rare for scholars on African religious culture to be black because of this favoritism that Africans showcase to whites or latin(x) when they visit these countries.

Furthermore, my feelings are that every person of African decent(black) claimed Africa as their origin the moment they were born. Being black is too rich and diverse to regulate the state of being black to any set of rules. Whether they claim it or not, a persons melanin and African features will cause them to be defined as black from social perception.

 

[sugafree]

Homie went in on me about how Jamaicans treat American black tourist. lol, I didn't even read all of that.

You didn't read it all because you don't want no parts of getting ya yappin *** told off in here with the truth..
I been gone for a while but its best you come correct..all dat yappin and deflecting aint gone work with me.
I come with facts from actual experience with this travel ****....don't try me homie

 

[layziegunts]

there is a video on facebook where in Washington state they called the cops on a black dude saying he was using a counterfeit $20 bill. But it was infact real, that joint got my blood boiling

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Claud Anderson is great

 

[wr]

there is a video on facebook where in Washington state they called the cops on a black dude saying he was using a counterfeit $20 bill. But it was infact real, that joint got my blood boiling

You seem like a hot head lol.

similar thing happened to me once. I had money straight out the ATM at Olive Garden and they told me my bills were counterfeit but they did not even have a marker to check if they were real or not just that they look fake.

 

[tay1]

Claud Anderson is great

I plan on copping his bundle of books for $100

 

[layziegunts]

 

[seasoned vet]

Claud Anderson is great

he contradicts himself a lot

love his history lessons though

like, everything he wants us to do requires our culture to come together

then he’ll tell you how we will never come together

he suggests we have a local black marketplace set up in certain cities

then tell you no one would buy from it

 

[tomdiginson]

Your very own people in Jamaica do not charge black tourists local prices....so you can kick rocks with all that BS mane.

I been to 42 countries including a couple in Africa...I saw you posting about us black folks being unwanted and only seen and $$ tourists in countries we like to vacation???
You know got damn well in damn near every predominately black vacation destination, we are seen as just that....gullible black american tourists and walking licks for $$$$. The smiling faces and warm welcomes are often a superficial front because people see a chance to make a couple extra dollars from tourists by charging us tourist prices.
Your country of Jamaica is prime example of that disgusting spineless behavior of ripping off and inflating prices when it comes to foreign blacks....
you can kick rocks with all that fairyland yip yap as if us black tourist get a warmer welcome to Jamaica than other races.
Jamaicans and and all the African countries I have been to be on the same bull****.....
Even treating non black tourists better and brown nosing them more because you automatically assume they come from a wealthier privilege or they tip better.
I've seen it in Haiti I've seen it in Jamaica and the African countries I've been to....
How about you take accountability for your own peoples behavior first???
I mean not like you Jamaicans follow a code of treating black tourists better or even giving us a lowkey "brotha/sista price" when it comes to us.
You all aint with none of that..because just like everywhere else everyone's about that almighty $dolla$ first before any real morals of peace, harmony or unity. Your people in Jamaica do not charge black tourists local prices
Our own people of the same color will rip you off the worst when it comes to a damn dollar suvival is survival in alot of these countries.
If there was a code to follow in these predominantly black countries of actually making it a warmer much more welcoming friendlier place especially towards black tourists then alot more African Americans would be visiting and investing in such.
Our root problem is ....THERE SIMPLY ISN'T

Matter of fact the most love I was ever shown in another country was Thailand.
The locals charged us local prices and not a penny more.
Definitely can't speak for no damn overrated hella inflated Jamaica...
I've been to Kingston and Montego...and no it wasn't no white owned resorts...it was black Jamaican owned establishments with the same bull****...taxi drivers too.

How about you Jamaicans get together and get on code on treating your foreign black brothas and sista tourists and ensuring we get the best treatment and cheapest prices before any other damn race that visits there????

Till then homie you can....

This happens everywhere though. And because some local vendors are scamming you doesn't mean the whole entire country is set that way. In fact, it's done here in the states as well. You ever walk through Manhattan ? I know Africans and Americans who've moved to Jamaica and get laong You're no different from gunts cause you're both hate mongorers. You've shown your dislike for blacks from everywhere except America. Put your shirt back on. Using your minute experience of life to try and define everything that is life. Get outta here with that mess.

 

[tay1]

It's difficult for African American to identify with Africa as home. Personally I consider myself pro-black but I consider Inglewood home ( I live in Philly). I have more roots, cultural references etc to Inglewood than I have to any part of Africa. That's even after me having several initiations within multiple West African religions (I'm a Yoruba priest(15+ years), multiple Ifa initiations and more I don't care to share on social media). I still don't have a desire to call Africa home because there are very limited cultural references to the continent.

sugafree Is very spot on that these places do not promote black unity at all and treat African Americans horribly. It is very difficult for a African American Yoruba priest to travel to West Africa and get anything going for religious purposes. Now a Latin(x) or White person would be welcomed with open arms to receive religious support. Hell white folk receive special initiations with bells and whistles just for being white in some areas of West Africa. They will also come back with enough information to write books on African Culture. White Authors will even admit to the favoritism if you interview them personally. You will also notice that it is very rare for scholars on African religious culture to be black because of this favoritism that Africans showcase to whites or latin(x) when they visit these countries.

Furthermore, my feelings are that every person of African decent(black) claimed Africa as their origin the moment they were born. Being black is too rich and diverse to regulate the state of being black to any set of rules. Whether they claim it or not, a persons melanin and African features will cause them to be defined as black from social perception.

Another inglewood resident. That's wassup. How you feel about what's going on in the city?

 

[illwill8710]

Another inglewood resident. That's wassup. How you feel about what's going on in the city?

Aw man. I was born and spent half of my childhood in Inglewood but I haven't lived there as a adult. I know its being gentrified like crazy but I am not sure what else is going on.

 

[nawghtyhare]

 

[gry60]

You ever walk through Manhattan ?

This.

 

[d nice]

It's difficult for African American to identify with Africa as home. Personally I consider myself pro-black but I consider Inglewood home ( I live in Philly). I have more roots, cultural references etc to Inglewood than I have to any part of Africa. That's even after me having several initiations within multiple West African religions (I'm a Yoruba priest(15+ years), multiple Ifa initiations and more I don't care to share on social media). I still don't have a desire to call Africa home because there are very limited cultural references to the continent.

sugafree Is very spot on that these places do not promote black unity at all and treat African Americans horribly. It is very difficult for a African American Yoruba priest to travel to West Africa and get anything going for religious purposes. Now a Latin(x) or White person would be welcomed with open arms to receive religious support. Hell white folk receive special initiations with bells and whistles just for being white in some areas of West Africa. They will also come back with enough information to write books on African Culture. White Authors will even admit to the favoritism if you interview them personally. You will also notice that it is very rare for scholars on African religious culture to be black because of this favoritism that Africans showcase to whites or latin(x) when they visit these countries.

Furthermore, my feelings are that every person of African decent(black) claimed Africa as their origin the moment they were born. Being black is too rich and diverse to regulate the state of being black to any set of rules. Whether they claim it or not, a persons melanin and African features will cause them to be defined as black from social perception.

I get why Black folks would say that in real time because we've been physically gone from Africa for over 4 centuries now. With that amount of time gone by, Africa can look like a strange place that you've never known. But we've never stopped being African no matter where we are in the world. Alot of the cultural references you have growing up in Inglewood come right from the slave ships and the plantations of the south. Alot of our culture had to be practiced in secret and away from the eyes of the slave master. Alot of it survived the plantations and alot of it was lost to time. But what survived is still with us today, but we don't recognize it as African. We kept more of our culture than we really know because knowledge of it began disappearing as more generations began being born in America and lost memory of Africa as a physical place in time and space.

We've never stopped connecting to Africa; even during the time of enslavement. Throughout various points of our existence in this country and the diaspora, Africans in this hemisphere have established connections to Africa whether it was through the Nationalist tradition of Martin Delaney and Alexander Crummell or through defining our identities as Ethiopians, African Americans, Black Americans, or Afro-Americans. When you read the history, you begin to see a constant effort on our part to reconnect. One of the recent iterations of that was Pan Africanism.

That's why slave narratives and stories like Cudjoe Lewis is so important because they help us restore the collective memory that we've lost on these shores. While we've had to do alot of reclaiming of ourselves, so have Africans who were left on the continent. They suffered through centuries of colonialism and widespread oppression that halted the progress they were on. If it wasn't for colonialism we would've been much further along. They suffer with issues of self hate and disfranchisement as much as we do here and throughout the diaspora. I understand your frustration very well with that issue of white scholars writing on Africa. I don't pay them much attention because there is an entire tradition of our writing that deserves even more of our energy and focus. But I don't have to really convince you of that honestly. But that's unfortunate that you had that experience. Here are some books that I highly recommend to get an idea of what I'm getting at.

 

[tokes99]

I get why Black folks would say that in real time because we've been physically gone from Africa for over 4 centuries now. With that amount of time gone by, Africa can look like a strange place that you've never known. But we've never stopped being African no matter where we are in the world. Alot of the cultural references you have growing up in Inglewood come right from the slave ships and the plantations of the south. Alot of our culture had to be practiced in secret and away from the eyes of the slave master. Alot of it survived the plantations and alot of it was lost to time. But what survived is still with us today, but we don't recognize it as African. We kept more of our culture than we really know because knowledge of it began disappearing as more generations began being born in America and lost memory of Africa as a physical place in time and space.

We've never stopped connecting to Africa; even during the time of enslavement. Throughout various points of our existence in this country and the diaspora, Africans in this hemisphere have established connections to Africa whether it was through the Nationalist tradition of Martin Delaney and Alexander Crummell or through defining our identities as Ethiopians, African Americans, Black Americans, or Afro-Americans. When you read the history, you begin to see a constant effort on our part to reconnect. One of the recent iterations of that was Pan Africanism.

That's why slave narratives and stories like Cudjoe Lewis is so important because they help us restore the collective memory that we've lost on these shores. While we've had to do alot of reclaiming of ourselves, so have Africans who were left on the continent. They suffered through centuries of colonialism and widespread oppression that halted the progress they were on. If it wasn't for colonialism we would've been much further along. They suffer with issues of self hate and disfranchisement as much as we do here and throughout the diaspora. I understand your frustration very well with that issue of white scholars writing on Africa. I don't pay them much attention because there is an entire tradition of our writing that deserves even more of our energy and focus. But I don't have to really convince you of that honestly. But that's unfortunate that you had that experience. Here are some books that I highly recommend to get an idea of what I'm getting at.

there isn’t anything wrong with finding or forging a connection with(in countries of) Africa but (and sorry if this is too forced an analogy)
coyotes, dogs, and wolves likely share a common ancestor but it isn’t the case that should mean they are interchangeable and equally suited to similar environs; like anything that has evolved and/or split from any thing, being black in the diaspora is it’s own unique thing (i.e. an afro-brazilian, cape verdian, dominican, haitian, jamaican, etc.); and altho some aspects of culture have persisted and the roots obvious, the distinction is somewhat necessary...the expectation that Africa should be this place every black person amongst the diaspora should be inherently feel connected with is, to me anyways, much overstated...

pan-africanism, functionally tho maybe not theory, kinda does a disservice to both the unique cultures that have resulted from that initial trauma and the various ways they developed there own culture(s). as well as the reality of ‘africanism,’ because as is pointed out when others mention the africa in the generic, africa is a continent that houses not only many countries but also many ethnic groups/tribes within said countries, and there really isn’t any real conceptualization that a west african igbo, an east african oromo, and a south african xhosa really think of a united africa (at least in the way i think some black americans tend to romanticize it) when their respective countries are still kinda fractured...

in many ways i see pan africanism as a kind of distraction, an understandable one, but still a distraction nonetheless...

 

[Maximus Meridius]

he contradicts himself a lot

love his history lessons though

like, everything he wants us to do requires our culture to come together

then he’ll tell you how we will never come together

he suggests we have a local black marketplace set up in certain cities

then tell you no one would buy from it

That's not a contradiction. Black people do need to get on the same page but we haven't. He said there's black markets and for the most part black peole don't buy from each other cuz of brainwashing.

 

[d nice]

there isn’t anything wrong with finding or forging a connection with(in countries of) Africa but (and sorry if this is too forced an analogy)
coyotes, dogs, and wolves likely share a common ancestor but it isn’t the case that should mean they are interchangeable and equally suited to similar environs; like anything that has evolved and/or split from any thing, being black in the diaspora is it’s own unique thing (i.e. an afro-brazilian, cape verdian, dominican, haitian, jamaican, etc.); and altho some aspects of culture have persisted and the roots obvious, the distinction is somewhat necessary...the expectation that Africa should be this place every black person amongst the diaspora should be inherently feel connected with is, to me anyways, much overstated...

pan-africanism, functionally tho maybe not theory, kinda does a disservice to both the unique cultures that have resulted from that initial trauma and the various ways they developed there own culture(s). as well as the reality of ‘africanism,’ because as is pointed out when others mention the africa in the generic, africa is a continent that houses not only many countries but also many ethnic groups/tribes within said countries, and there really isn’t any real conceptualization that a west african igbo, an east african oromo, and a south african xhosa really think of a united africa (at least in the way i think some black americans tend to romanticize it) when their respective countries are still kinda fractured...

in many ways i see pan africanism as a kind of distraction, an understandable one, but still a distraction nonetheless...

I see where you're coming from but this ignores history on a large scale and assumes that we are isolated and disconnected. While our identities as Black Americans, Haitians, Jamaicans etc have formed out of being here in the west, these identities are a result of European colonialism. The culture that we express and live everyday here is a manifestation of not only our connection to Africa, but to indigenous peoples as well as Europeans. Because we have a mixture of these various cultures and we've been away from the continent for 4 plus centuries, we think that link was broken. It wasn't. We never stopped being who we were despite being in the new world.

We took our culture and made community with others. So I don't see it as "evolution". I see it as continuity. The cultures practiced throughout the diaspora all have links to West and Central Africa. There are numerous West and central African words that survived, even til this day. Africans experienced Colonialism on the continent and we experienced Enslavement. These are two different experiences that had different responses. Despite being worlds apart, we never stopped being who we were and connecting to the continent.

All throughout our history, you see various connections to forge bonds between the continent and the disapora. You had emigration movements from Martin Delaney and Alexander Crummell to go back to Africa. There were even African American men and women who helped liberate Haiti during the revolution. Haiti even offered Black Americans and other people throughout the diaspora the chance to leave and emigrate to Haiti to escape the oppressive conditions. African Americans signed up to help Ethiopians fight the Italians during the Italo-Ethiopian war. The Harlem Book club influenced a young man by the name of Kwame Nkrumah who would eventually become the President of Ghana. Nkurmah was educated at an HBCU.
Fidel Castro and Cuba gave asylum to Assata Shakur and offered Black Americans the chance to study medicine in Cuba. Cuba sent troops, supplies, doctors etc to Angola and South Africa to fight apartheid and imperialism. We've always been connected.

Now that doesn't mean that we can't acknowledge our differences and take pride in our various cultures. But we have for more in common than we do differences. We live in a world that is more connected than ever. What happens here shapes what happens in other places because the imperial arm of the US and Europe is everywhere. We share a common destiny no matter where we are in the world. The distraction isn't in focusing on differences, disagreements, or even reveling in our singular dysfunctions; It's in believing that our differences hold more weight than our commonalities and that somehow those differences will solve individual problems. History teaches us that we always win when we are focused and connected.

EDIT: My bad for making this mad long

 

[seasoned vet]

That's not a contradiction. Black people do need to get on the same page but we haven't. He said there's black markets and for the most part black peole don't buy from each other cuz of brainwashing.

if we havent (come together), how can we support the marketplace he wants us to have?

keep in mind, he wants the marketplace NOW, but as you said, we havent (gotten on the same page)

that makes it a contradiction

i agree with lack of education in economics is key, but that education in economics is last on his list of things we need.

it cant be

for his ideas to work, education in economics has to be first

a contradiction.

he talks about how we need to come together, then gives you a LONG history lesson on why we wont.

the use of the word wont means it will never happen.

he also says “it’ll never happen” a LOT.

he (and our culture) refuses to look at any solution that doesnt involve us all coming together first.

there are things we can do right now, that dont involve us coming together.

the coming together has to be organic, you cant force it

his list of the 5 things we need in order are

1. economics
2. politics
3. police/ courts
4. media
5. schools

he wants us to have an internal economic system without a basic understanding of economics

schools should be first, or make the list 6, bump everything up and put education on it

the list as it is wont work without an education in economics

 

[Maximus Meridius]

if we havent (come together), how can we support the marketplace he wants us to have?

keep in mind, he wants the marketplace NOW, but as you said, we havent (gotten on the same page)

that makes it a contradiction

i agree with lack of education in economics is key, but that education in economics is last on his list of things we need.

it cant be

for his ideas to work, education in economics has to be first

a contradiction.

he talks about how we need to come together, then gives you a LONG history lesson on why we wont.

the use of the word wont means it will never happen.

he also says “it’ll never happen” a LOT.

he (and our culture) refuses to look at any solution that doesnt involve us all coming together first.

there are things we can do right now, that dont involve us coming together.

the coming together has to be organic, you cant force it

his list of the 5 things we need in order are

1. economics
2. politics
3. police/ courts
4. media
5. schools

he wants us to have an internal economic system without a basic understanding of economics

schools should be first, or make the list 6, bump everything up and put education on it

the list as it is wont work without an education in economics

That's still not him contradicting himself. He's saying what needs to happen vs what's happening.

 

[seasoned vet]

That's still not him contradicting himself. He's saying what needs to happen vs what's happening.

no

hes not saying we need to come together but we arent

hes saying we need a marketplace and we wont support one

 

[tay1]

I get why Black folks would say that in real time because we've been physically gone from Africa for over 4 centuries now. With that amount of time gone by, Africa can look like a strange place that you've never known. But we've never stopped being African no matter where we are in the world. Alot of the cultural references you have growing up in Inglewood come right from the slave ships and the plantations of the south. Alot of our culture had to be practiced in secret and away from the eyes of the slave master. Alot of it survived the plantations and alot of it was lost to time. But what survived is still with us today, but we don't recognize it as African. We kept more of our culture than we really know because knowledge of it began disappearing as more generations began being born in America and lost memory of Africa as a physical place in time and space.

We've never stopped connecting to Africa; even during the time of enslavement. Throughout various points of our existence in this country and the diaspora, Africans in this hemisphere have established connections to Africa whether it was through the Nationalist tradition of Martin Delaney and Alexander Crummell or through defining our identities as Ethiopians, African Americans, Black Americans, or Afro-Americans. When you read the history, you begin to see a constant effort on our part to reconnect. One of the recent iterations of that was Pan Africanism.

That's why slave narratives and stories like Cudjoe Lewis is so important because they help us restore the collective memory that we've lost on these shores. While we've had to do alot of reclaiming of ourselves, so have Africans who were left on the continent. They suffered through centuries of colonialism and widespread oppression that halted the progress they were on. If it wasn't for colonialism we would've been much further along. They suffer with issues of self hate and disfranchisement as much as we do here and throughout the diaspora. I understand your frustration very well with that issue of white scholars writing on Africa. I don't pay them much attention because there is an entire tradition of our writing that deserves even more of our energy and focus. But I don't have to really convince you of that honestly. But that's unfortunate that you had that experience. Here are some books that I highly recommend to get an idea of what I'm getting at.

In class we had a debate on the positions of Henry Garnett, Delaney, David Walker and Frederick Douglass. I had to argue for Garnett position but Delaney was that dude

 

[tokes99]

I see where you're coming from but this ignores history on a large scale and assumes that we are isolated and disconnected. While our identities as Black Americans, Haitians, Jamaicans etc have formed out of being here in the west, these identities are a result of European colonialism. The culture that we express and live everyday here is a manifestation of not only our connection to Africa, but to indigenous peoples as well as Europeans. Because we have a mixture of these various cultures and we've been away from the continent for 4 plus centuries, we think that link was broken. It wasn't. We never stopped being who we were despite being in the new world.

We took our culture and made community with others. So I don't see it as "evolution". I see it as continuity. The cultures practiced throughout the diaspora all have links to West and Central Africa. There are numerous West and central African words that survived, even til this day. Africans experienced Colonialism on the continent and we experienced Enslavement. These are two different experiences that had different responses. Despite being worlds apart, we never stopped being who we were and connecting to the continent.

All throughout our history, you see various connections to forge bonds between the continent and the disapora. You had emigration movements from Martin Delaney and Alexander Crummell to go back to Africa. There were even African American men and women who helped liberate Haiti during the revolution. Haiti even offered Black Americans and other people throughout the diaspora the chance to leave and emigrate to Haiti to escape the oppressive conditions. African Americans signed up to help Ethiopians fight the Italians during the Italo-Ethiopian war. The Harlem Book club influenced a young man by the name of Kwame Nkrumah who would eventually become the President of Ghana. Nkurmah was educated at an HBCU.
Fidel Castro and Cuba gave asylum to Assata Shakur and offered Black Americans the chance to study medicine in Cuba. Cuba sent troops, supplies, doctors etc to Angola and South Africa to fight apartheid and imperialism. We've always been connected.

Now that doesn't mean that we can't acknowledge our differences and take pride in our various cultures. But we have for more in common than we do differences. We live in a world that is more connected than ever. What happens here shapes what happens in other places because the imperial arm of the US and Europe is everywhere. We share a common destiny no matter where we are in the world. The distraction isn't in focusing on differences, disagreements, or even reveling in our singular dysfunctions; It's in believing that our differences hold more weight than our commonalities and that somehow those differences will solve individual problems. History teaches us that we always win when we are focused and connected.

EDIT: My bad for making this mad long

continuation vs evolution, tomatoe vs. tomato...more to the point is that cultures diverge, not that they can't converge at some point, but the differences are not inconsequential; that distinctness does not preclude cooperation, tho if it were to really scale it does seems like going in with a real appreciation for those differences as well as the similarities would be necessary rather than just expecting the the like experience(s) colonialism, color, and cultural originations to just connect...

if we havent (come together), how can we support the marketplace he wants us to have?

keep in mind, he wants the marketplace NOW, but as you said, we havent (gotten on the same page)

that makes it a contradiction

i agree with lack of education in economics is key, but that education in economics is last on his list of things we need.

it cant be

for his ideas to work, education in economics has to be first

a contradiction.

he talks about how we need to come together, then gives you a LONG history lesson on why we wont.

the use of the word wont means it will never happen.

he also says “it’ll never happen” a LOT.

he (and our culture) refuses to look at any solution that doesnt involve us all coming together first.

there are things we can do right now, that dont involve us coming together.

the coming together has to be organic, you cant force it

his list of the 5 things we need in order are

1. economics
2. politics
3. police/ courts
4. media
5. schools

he wants us to have an internal economic system without a basic understanding of economics

schools should be first, or make the list 6, bump everything up and put education on it

the list as it is wont work without an education in economics

i don't know that there is one path or set of steps to follow, honestly the thinking that we would think that collectively is somewhat counterproductive...one could maybe make the argument that those things are especially important for black folk particularly because they disproportionally affect us but i also don't see all that much evidence that other (minority in the u.s.) groups are necessarily that much better situated with those things and don't seem to have the expectation for them either...

 

[Maximus Meridius]

We don't need everybody to agree on everything, just a good amount to be on the same page. When other groups are fighting for certain rights they step to these politicians for things specifically for them. They don't include black americans. While a lot of black americans are scared to ask for specific things, don't wanna "offend" other people. We need specific things because we've been specifically targeted for hundreds of years.


And the main thing I took away from Claud Anderson is you're never gonna get anything done by voting if you don't have a economic base. It don't matter who you for when you have no money to back a politician, you have no power.

 

[seasoned vet]

i don't know that there is one path or set of steps to follow, honestly the thinking that we would think that collectively is somewhat counterproductive...one could maybe make the argument that those things are especially important for black folk particularly because they disproportionally affect us but i also don't see all that much evidence that other (minority in the u.s.) groups are necessarily that much better situated with those things and don't seem to have the expectation for them either...

you’re mistaken, thats not what he’s saying.

Claud’s stance is that we should do as other cultures do and just BUY the politicians. buying the politicians will give us control within our communities of the police/ courts. then an economy will give us control over the media and schools.

 

[seasoned vet]

We don't need everybody to agree on everything, just a good amount to be on the same page.

they mean the same thing.

And the main thing I took away from Claud Anderson is you're never gonna get anything done by voting if you don't have a economic base.

we know.

you cant have an economic base without a basic understanding of economics.

he completely ignores this.

that economic education wont just *poof* materialize

its the biggest roadblock that seperates us from them