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How the north ended up on top of the map
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View media item 1268374A world map drawn by the Moroccan cartographer Muhammad al-Idrisi for King Roger of Sicily, 1154
View media item 1268375McArthur’s Universal Corrective Map of the World

Why do maps always show the north as up? For those who don’t just take it for granted, the common answer is that Europeans made the maps and they wanted to be on top. But there’s really no good reason for the north to claim top-notch cartographic real estate over any other bearing, as an examination of old maps from different places and periods can confirm.

The profound arbitrariness of our current cartographic conventions was made evident by McArthur’s Universal Corrective Map of the World, an iconic “upside down” view of the world that recently celebrated its 35th anniversary. Launched by Australian Stuart McArthur on Jan. 26, 1979 (Australia Day, naturally), this map is supposed to challenge our casual acceptance of European perspectives as global norms. But seen today with the title “Australia: No Longer Down Under,” it’s hard not to wonder why the upside-down map, for all its subversiveness, wasn’t called “Botswana: Back Where It Belongs” or perhaps “Paraguay Paramount!”

The McArthur map also makes us wonder why we are so quick to assume that Northern Europeans were the ones who invented the modern map — and decided which way to hold it — in the first place. As is so often the case, our eagerness to invoke Eurocentrism displays a certain bias of its own, since in fact, the north’s elite cartographic status owes more to Byzantine monks and Majorcan Jews than it does to any Englishman.

There is nothing inevitable or intrinsically correct — not in geographic, cartographic or even philosophical terms — about the north being represented as up, because up on a map is a human construction, not a natural one. Some of the very earliest Egyptian maps show the south as up, presumably equating the Nile’s northward flow with the force of gravity. And there was a long stretch in the medieval era when most European maps were drawn with the east on the top. If there was any doubt about this move’s religious significance, they illuminated it with their maps’ pious illustrations, whether of Adam and Eve or Christ enthroned. In the same period, Arab map makers often drew maps with the south facing up, possibly because this was how the Chinese did it.
hings changed with the age of exploration. Like the Renaissance, this era didn’t start in Northern Europe. It began in the Mediterranean, somewhere between Europe and the Arab world. In the 14th and 15th centuries, increasingly precise navigational maps of the Mediterranean Sea and its many ports called Portolan charts appeared. They were designed for use by mariners navigating the sea’s trade routes with the help of a recently adopted technology, the compass. These maps had no real up or down — pictures and words faced in all sorts of directions, generally pointing inward from the edge of the map — but they all included a compass rose with north clearly distinguished from the other directions.
Members of the Italian Cartographic School preferred to mark north with a hat or embellished arrow, while their equally influential colleagues from the Spanish-ruled island of Majorca used an elaborate rendering of Polaris, the North Star. These men, who formed the Majorcan Cartographic School, also established a number of other crucial mapping conventions of the era, including coloring in the Red Sea bright red and drawing the Alps as a giant chicken foot. Among other hints of the school’s predominantly Jewish membership was the nickname of one of its more prominent members: “el jueu de les bruixoles,” or “the Compass Jew.”

But this is only part of the explanation. The arrow of the compass can just as easily point south, since the magnetized metal needle simply aligns with the earth’s magnetic field, with a pole at each end. Indeed, the Chinese supposedly referred to their first compass magnets as south-pointing stones. Crucially, the Chinese developed this convention before they began to use compasses for navigation at sea. By the time Europeans adopted the compass, though, they were already experienced in navigating with reference to the North Star, the one point in the heavens that remains fixed anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere. Many mariners saw the compass as an artificial replacement for the star on cloudy nights and even assumed it was the pull of the star itself that drew the needle north.

Yet even as this north-pointing compass became essential to navigation and navigational charts in the 15th century, less precise land maps showing the entire known Old World continued to offer a disorienting array of perspectives. Some had the east on top, in keeping with European tradition, while others preferred the south, in keeping with Arab tradition, and others went with the north, in keeping with the point on the compass rose. Among other things that stand out in these maps is that, given the extent of the known world, the location of the Mediterranean and a bit of uncertainly about the equator, Italy was more or less centered between the north and the south — meaning that whichever way you turned the map, Italy remained more or less halfway between the top and bottom. Conveniently, Italy was at roughly the same latitude as Jerusalem, which through most of the century map makers assumed was at the center of the known world. In fact, the first blow to this pious assumption came with the discovery of just how much of the Old World lies to the east of Jerusalem. Only later did it become apparent just how far north of the equator Jerusalem — and by extension, Italy — really was.

The north’s position was ultimately secured by the beginning of the 16th century, thanks to Ptolemy, with another European discovery that, like the New World, others had known about for quite some time. Ptolemy was a Hellenic cartographer from Egypt whose work in the second century A.D. laid out a systematic approach to mapping the world, complete with intersecting lines of longitude and latitude on a half-eaten-doughnut-shaped projection that reflected the curvature of the earth. The cartographers who made the first big, beautiful maps of the entire world, Old and New — men like Gerardus Mercator, Henricus Martellus Germanus and Martin Waldseemuller — were obsessed with Ptolemy. They turned out copies of Ptolemy’s Geography on the newly invented printing press, put his portrait in the corners of their maps and used his writings to fill in places they had never been, even as their own discoveries were revealing the limitations of his work.

For reasons that have been lost to history, Ptolemy put the north up. Or at least that’s the way it appears from the only remaining copies of his work, made by 13th century Byzantine monks. On the one hand, Ptolemy realized that, sitting in Alexandria, he was in the northern half of a very large globe, whose size had been fairly accurately calculated by the ancient Greeks. On the other hand, it put Alexandria at the very bottom of the inhabited world as known to Ptolemy and all the main civilizational centers in the Greco-Roman Mediterranean.


"For Americans, it’s easy to think that our position, at the top left of most maps, is the intrinsically preferable one. It’s unclear why Arabs or Israelis, who read from right to left, would necessarily think so."

Even if compasses and Ptolemy had both pointed to the south, northerners could still have come along and flipped things around. In fact, with north seemingly settled at the top of the page in the 16th century, there were still some squabbles over who in the Northern Hemisphere would end up left, right or center. The politics of reorientation are anything but simple. For Americans, it’s easy to think that our position, at the top-left of most maps, is the intrinsically preferable one; it certainly seems that way if you happen to be from a culture that reads from left to right. But it’s unclear why Arabs or Israelis, who read from right to left, would necessarily think so. And while map makers usually like to design maps with the edges running through one of the world’s major oceans, it is certainly possible to put North America in the very center by splitting the world in half through Asia.

As the United States was just beginning to emerge on the world stage in the 19th century, American cartographers made some earnest efforts to give the U.S. pride of place. While there is something endearing about the idea of an Indiana map maker in 1871 preparing an atlas with Indiana squarely in the center of the world, the unfortunate side effect was that most of the Midwest disappeared into the gaping crease between atlas pages. Nepal, of course, gets a bit cut off on the sides, but that is nothing compared with what happens to Nebraska. And ironically, accepting the United States’ position in the top left leaves Africa at the very center of the map, which is hardly in line with the politics of the time. Though this puts Africa in what was once considered the map’s prime real estate, it also reduces the continent’s relative size on the standard Mercator projection — another source of complaint for carto-critics.

The orientation of our maps, like so many other features of the modern world, arose from the interplay of chance, technology and politics in a way that defies our desire to impose easy or satisfying narratives. But at a time when the global south continues to suffer more than its share of violence and poverty, let’s not dismiss McArthur’s Universal Corrective Map of the World too quickly. It continues to symbolize a noble wish: that we could overturn the unjust political and economic relationships in our world as easily as we can flip the maps on our walls.
 
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Kind of true but only said by that man to put down the dems & bump repubs which also don't give a flying **** about black people either.
 
That's true but really neither party is looking out for black people. Black people have to start paying off politicians via 'campaign contributions' like every other group does to get things done for our group, NOT 'minorities.' Problem is were not organized enough to do that yet.
 
How the north ended up on top of the map
Earth seen from Apollo 11
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View media item 1268374A world map drawn by the Moroccan cartographer Muhammad al-Idrisi for King Roger of Sicily, 1154
View media item 1268375McArthur’s Universal Corrective Map of the World

Why do maps always show the north as up? For those who don’t just take it for granted, the common answer is that Europeans made the maps and they wanted to be on top. But there’s really no good reason for the north to claim top-notch cartographic real estate over any other bearing, as an examination of old maps from different places and periods can confirm.

The profound arbitrariness of our current cartographic conventions was made evident by McArthur’s Universal Corrective Map of the World, an iconic “upside down” view of the world that recently celebrated its 35th anniversary. Launched by Australian Stuart McArthur on Jan. 26, 1979 (Australia Day, naturally), this map is supposed to challenge our casual acceptance of European perspectives as global norms. But seen today with the title “Australia: No Longer Down Under,” it’s hard not to wonder why the upside-down map, for all its subversiveness, wasn’t called “Botswana: Back Where It Belongs” or perhaps “Paraguay Paramount!”

The McArthur map also makes us wonder why we are so quick to assume that Northern Europeans were the ones who invented the modern map — and decided which way to hold it — in the first place. As is so often the case, our eagerness to invoke Eurocentrism displays a certain bias of its own, since in fact, the north’s elite cartographic status owes more to Byzantine monks and Majorcan Jews than it does to any Englishman.

There is nothing inevitable or intrinsically correct — not in geographic, cartographic or even philosophical terms — about the north being represented as up, because up on a map is a human construction, not a natural one. Some of the very earliest Egyptian maps show the south as up, presumably equating the Nile’s northward flow with the force of gravity. And there was a long stretch in the medieval era when most European maps were drawn with the east on the top. If there was any doubt about this move’s religious significance, they illuminated it with their maps’ pious illustrations, whether of Adam and Eve or Christ enthroned. In the same period, Arab map makers often drew maps with the south facing up, possibly because this was how the Chinese did it.
hings changed with the age of exploration. Like the Renaissance, this era didn’t start in Northern Europe. It began in the Mediterranean, somewhere between Europe and the Arab world. In the 14th and 15th centuries, increasingly precise navigational maps of the Mediterranean Sea and its many ports called Portolan charts appeared. They were designed for use by mariners navigating the sea’s trade routes with the help of a recently adopted technology, the compass. These maps had no real up or down — pictures and words faced in all sorts of directions, generally pointing inward from the edge of the map — but they all included a compass rose with north clearly distinguished from the other directions.
Members of the Italian Cartographic School preferred to mark north with a hat or embellished arrow, while their equally influential colleagues from the Spanish-ruled island of Majorca used an elaborate rendering of Polaris, the North Star. These men, who formed the Majorcan Cartographic School, also established a number of other crucial mapping conventions of the era, including coloring in the Red Sea bright red and drawing the Alps as a giant chicken foot. Among other hints of the school’s predominantly Jewish membership was the nickname of one of its more prominent members: “el jueu de les bruixoles,” or “the Compass Jew.”

But this is only part of the explanation. The arrow of the compass can just as easily point south, since the magnetized metal needle simply aligns with the earth’s magnetic field, with a pole at each end. Indeed, the Chinese supposedly referred to their first compass magnets as south-pointing stones. Crucially, the Chinese developed this convention before they began to use compasses for navigation at sea. By the time Europeans adopted the compass, though, they were already experienced in navigating with reference to the North Star, the one point in the heavens that remains fixed anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere. Many mariners saw the compass as an artificial replacement for the star on cloudy nights and even assumed it was the pull of the star itself that drew the needle north.

Yet even as this north-pointing compass became essential to navigation and navigational charts in the 15th century, less precise land maps showing the entire known Old World continued to offer a disorienting array of perspectives. Some had the east on top, in keeping with European tradition, while others preferred the south, in keeping with Arab tradition, and others went with the north, in keeping with the point on the compass rose. Among other things that stand out in these maps is that, given the extent of the known world, the location of the Mediterranean and a bit of uncertainly about the equator, Italy was more or less centered between the north and the south — meaning that whichever way you turned the map, Italy remained more or less halfway between the top and bottom. Conveniently, Italy was at roughly the same latitude as Jerusalem, which through most of the century map makers assumed was at the center of the known world. In fact, the first blow to this pious assumption came with the discovery of just how much of the Old World lies to the east of Jerusalem. Only later did it become apparent just how far north of the equator Jerusalem — and by extension, Italy — really was.

The north’s position was ultimately secured by the beginning of the 16th century, thanks to Ptolemy, with another European discovery that, like the New World, others had known about for quite some time. Ptolemy was a Hellenic cartographer from Egypt whose work in the second century A.D. laid out a systematic approach to mapping the world, complete with intersecting lines of longitude and latitude on a half-eaten-doughnut-shaped projection that reflected the curvature of the earth. The cartographers who made the first big, beautiful maps of the entire world, Old and New — men like Gerardus Mercator, Henricus Martellus Germanus and Martin Waldseemuller — were obsessed with Ptolemy. They turned out copies of Ptolemy’s Geography on the newly invented printing press, put his portrait in the corners of their maps and used his writings to fill in places they had never been, even as their own discoveries were revealing the limitations of his work.

For reasons that have been lost to history, Ptolemy put the north up. Or at least that’s the way it appears from the only remaining copies of his work, made by 13th century Byzantine monks. On the one hand, Ptolemy realized that, sitting in Alexandria, he was in the northern half of a very large globe, whose size had been fairly accurately calculated by the ancient Greeks. On the other hand, it put Alexandria at the very bottom of the inhabited world as known to Ptolemy and all the main civilizational centers in the Greco-Roman Mediterranean.


"For Americans, it’s easy to think that our position, at the top left of most maps, is the intrinsically preferable one. It’s unclear why Arabs or Israelis, who read from right to left, would necessarily think so."

Even if compasses and Ptolemy had both pointed to the south, northerners could still have come along and flipped things around. In fact, with north seemingly settled at the top of the page in the 16th century, there were still some squabbles over who in the Northern Hemisphere would end up left, right or center. The politics of reorientation are anything but simple. For Americans, it’s easy to think that our position, at the top-left of most maps, is the intrinsically preferable one; it certainly seems that way if you happen to be from a culture that reads from left to right. But it’s unclear why Arabs or Israelis, who read from right to left, would necessarily think so. And while map makers usually like to design maps with the edges running through one of the world’s major oceans, it is certainly possible to put North America in the very center by splitting the world in half through Asia.

As the United States was just beginning to emerge on the world stage in the 19th century, American cartographers made some earnest efforts to give the U.S. pride of place. While there is something endearing about the idea of an Indiana map maker in 1871 preparing an atlas with Indiana squarely in the center of the world, the unfortunate side effect was that most of the Midwest disappeared into the gaping crease between atlas pages. Nepal, of course, gets a bit cut off on the sides, but that is nothing compared with what happens to Nebraska. And ironically, accepting the United States’ position in the top left leaves Africa at the very center of the map, which is hardly in line with the politics of the time. Though this puts Africa in what was once considered the map’s prime real estate, it also reduces the continent’s relative size on the standard Mercator projection — another source of complaint for carto-critics.

The orientation of our maps, like so many other features of the modern world, arose from the interplay of chance, technology and politics in a way that defies our desire to impose easy or satisfying narratives. But at a time when the global south continues to suffer more than its share of violence and poverty, let’s not dismiss McArthur’s Universal Corrective Map of the World too quickly. It continues to symbolize a noble wish: that we could overturn the unjust political and economic relationships in our world as easily as we can flip the maps on our walls.
I'm sorry I started reading but then just got impatient
So is the world really upside down :nerd:
 
^Depends on whose ruling. Western society as has orientated itself on top of the world.
 
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Two things certain in American history 1 a white woman accusing a black man of rape 2 cop saying he had a gun or went for my gun = lynching
 
Freeway Rick Ross Calls On Rick Ross To Fight "Hip Hop To Prison Pipeline"
November 23, 2014 | Jay Balfour


After persistent court battles granted Rick Ross legal rights to the stage name he co-opted from Freeway Rick Ross late last year, the author and former drug dealer recently released a video statement calling on the MMG founder and other Hip Hop artists to tell the truth about the origins of their success.

Deriding a “Hip Hop to prison pipeline” and the ongoing glorification of drug culture in the music industry, Freeway Rick Ross asked to join together with rappers like Rick Ross in a campaign against “thug culture.”

“To William Roberts, a.k.a. Rick Ross, who’s using my name, I’m inviting you in to come with me,” he said. “Let’s fight this culture. Let’s fight this penitentiary culture that Hip Hop’s been spreading. Let’s make a difference. Me and you need to come together and you need to tell them that you didn’t make your money selling drugs and making music is how you became famous. See, it’s nothing wrong with making music just like it’s nothing wrong with being a correctional officer if that’s what you did. But so many of our friends who look up to you and look up to me are out on the streets thinking that they can go out and sell drugs and parlay that into a record career. I don’t know if you know that they’re not gonna make it, but I know that they’re gonna wind up in prison with prison sentences three and four times what they should be because this war on drugs is no joke. I have ten or eleven friends still in prison right now with life sentences including one that even you know, Big Meech. I know how much you respect me and care about me, otherwise you woudln’t have took my name. Take a chance with me now. Let’s make a difference.

“Even if William Roberts, a.k.a. Rick Ross, don’t decide to come with me and join hands, then the rest of the artists out there,” he added. “Let us come together. Professor Griff, KRS-One, and so forth. Let’s join hands. Let’s change this thug culture. Let’s change this Hip Hop to prison pipeline. Let’s make it happen right now, today.”

Touching on similar statements he’s made previously, Freeway Rick Ross continued with a warning that Hip Hop and the entertainment business are the precursors to a life of crime and/or in prison.

“I’m letting you know right now that the establishment is using Hip Hop to prime these kids for a life that’s gonna send them to prison just like they did with me,” he said. “When I was coming up there was Super Fly, Tequila Sunrise, Scarface, all these movies to make you think that you could start with nothing and then you could have the whole world in the palm of your hand..

LET'S SEE IF WILLIAM WILL BE A REAL ENOUGH TO DO THIS MUCH RESPECT TO FREEWAY FOR TRYING TO COME TOGETHER FOR A POSITIVE CAUSE...
 
People are still going to refuse to believe that.

**** is bizarre that people still refuse to understand how blatant this music **** is.
 
 
People are still going to refuse to believe that.

**** is bizarre that people still refuse to understand how blatant this music **** is.
It really is bizarre. 

I touched on this a few years ago in another post... 
 Music is one of the most powerful tools used to subconsciously influence people, and it has been influencing cultures(especially black culture) for generations. The music has a MAJOR role in this discussion IMO.

This is a problem that didn't just pop up overnight, but something rather that started over 30 years ago with the glorifying of gangster culture by Ice T, Eazy E, N.W.A, etc. etc. When these "artists" views were broadcasted to the masses, it subconsciously made this way of life seem "normal" and "acceptable" in a way. I firmly believe that this was just another way for "the man" to help us kill ourselves, all while simultaneously having "the man" profit from exploiting the destructive culture that we are living. I mean why else would Eazy-E be invited to the White House by George Bush Sr in the early 90's??? Why would N.W.A get a push, and not Public Enemy? I'm telling you, they want us to kill ourselves.

Now in 2012, we are in the middle of the "instant gratification generation." So you have these kids who were born into this destructive culture, who want all of the rewards it glorifies IMMEDIATELY. Who wants to put in WORK that takes TIME, and WAIT until they are OLDER to have the material things that are being glorified every second on TV, Twitter, and Youtube? And with no parents to tell them right or wrong, most likely because they are victims themselves, what else do you think is going to happen?

Honestly, the future doesn't look good. Every voice that attempts to speak up either gets caught up in the shuffle, or silenced. I remember being laughed at when I made a thread about 2Pac being murdered being one of the worst things to happen to our culture, but I still believe it. He was one of the last MAJOR voices that was talking about being revolutionaries, and changing the way we think. In the song "White Mans World" on Makaveli he said, "it aint them thats knocking us off, it is US thats knocking us off." That East Coast/West Coast was a mirage, and Biggie getting killed was collateral damage. 2Pac got killed because he was trying to bring us together. And since he has died, nobody big enough has attempted to stick their neck out and take his place. But my opinion, that voice has to reach our kids through the music.  
 
 
People are still going to refuse to believe that.

**** is bizarre that people still refuse to understand how blatant this music **** is.
Stop blaming these rappers
When you say that, are you saying that the blame should be put on "the machine" that funds the rappers and gives them exposure OR are you saying that rap music has no influence on our culture?
 
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When you say that, are you saying that the blame should be put on "the machine" that funds the rappers and gives them exposure OR are you saying that rap music has no influence on our culture?
Ignore the clown.

He trolls in every one of these types of threads.
 
When you say that, are you saying that the blame should be put on "the machine" that funds the rappers and gives them exposure OR are you saying that rap music has no influence on our culture?

If its the rappers "job" to make music & entertain, why cant he talk about the things thats already going on in the inner city, why cant rick ross talk about selling drugs, who said rap music supposed to be an autobiography

Do these rappers really have more of an influence than the ppl these kids see & talk to everyday? Besides trends thats false, Is rick ross really making kids think that selling drugs would lead to a successful rap career :lol: thats bs

These kids out here are selling drugs & doing dumb **** because the ppl closest to them are doing it, we need to stop blaming rappers just because they have a platform & you mad because they talking about **** you dont wanna hear & the kids love it, just because a rapper is giving off a "negative image" through his art doesnt mean hes not helping the community in other ways

We need to stop blaming the ppl we see on tv when these kids dont talk to or hang out around these ppl everyday
 
THE NEW SLAVERY WHICH IS STILL THE OLD RT @JenD1974: A Florida County Spent Over $5 Million Jailing Homeless People Instead Of Housing Them
 
Can't blame rappers for dealing... But I call women b's and h's cause of rap...and so did my homies.*Shrug*
I'm grown now...but that's never leaving my vocabulary.
 
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When you say that, are you saying that the blame should be put on "the machine" that funds the rappers and gives them exposure OR are you saying that rap music has no influence on our culture?
If its the rappers "job" to make music & entertain, why cant he talk about the things thats already going on in the inner city, why cant rick ross talk about selling drugs, who said rap music supposed to be an autobiography

Do these rappers really have more of an influence than the ppl these kids see & talk to everyday? Besides trends thats false, Is rick ross really making kids think that selling drugs would lead to a successful rap career
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thats bs

These kids out here are selling drugs & doing dumb **** because the ppl closest to them are doing it, we need to stop blaming rappers just because they have a platform & you mad because they talking about **** you dont wanna hear & the kids love it, just because a rapper is giving off a "negative image" through his art doesnt mean hes not helping the community in other ways

We need to stop blaming the ppl we see on tv when these kids dont talk to or hang out around these ppl everyday
After awhile, you can just tell when someone refuses to get it. Not that they're incapable of getting it, but they just simply refuse to get it. Not even worth the argument.
 
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After awhile, you can just tell when someone refuses to get it. Not that they're incapable of getting it, but they just simply refuse to get it. Not even worth the argument.
Yep music ain't just entertainment man I remember as a teen comin up in the late 90's & early 00's listening to SOULJA SLIM & a mood just coming over me like "MAN IF ANYBODY PLAY WITH ME THEY GONNA GET SMASHED ON" ...Think back to The CRUNK ERA of rap how many of us that were running the streets at that time remembers how many fights songs like "NEVA SCARED" started?? Music effects us way more than movies do because we constantly are listening to it so weather they believe it are not man music is not just entertainment like movies are...
 
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