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Originally Posted by So Nyuh Shi Dae
It's still a huge mystery, but I don't think it's true to say that we haven't made any real progress. Just by understanding the genome more we are making progress. Still, I don't see how you're able to conclude that it's statistically improbable for life to originate via natural processes when we still don't understand that process works.
Originally Posted by Its That Dude
Is it a reasonable argument If I were to say the great Flying Spaghetti monster created us?
How can I calculate the chances of that by the way? Please enlighten me.
Originally Posted by Its That Dude
Is it a reasonable argument If I were to say the great Flying Spaghetti monster created us?
How can I calculate the chances of that by the way? Please enlighten me.
Originally Posted by acts65
I think to say that the basis of all institutionalized religion is to install morality and lead the way of life for the good life is oversimplifying and generalizing it. As a Christian, I certainly want to live a life in obedience to how Jesus and the Bible's instruction, however, salvation is not by living a good and moral life, but rather in faith by grace, recognizing my sin and weaknesses and Christ's perfect life, death on the cross and resurrection. As a result of my belief in Christ, I would seek to live a life in obedience to Him. But yes, in some ways, you can say religion installs morality and a way of life for the good life... but I believe there is more to it than that.Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey
But isn't the basis of institutionalized religions to install morality and lead the way of life for the good life? If God is good and in control, then to what extent? When can he or does he intervene in life of humans? Why allow some good people to die such horrible and tragic deaths?Originally Posted by acts65
5) God is good, in control, evil exists, and God has some purpose for evil, sometimes we can understand why but for the most part it remains a mystery (Christianity)
Personally, I believe in #5
Pain, evil, and suffering are a difficult thing to accept. My cousin died in college. He was a good guy, hard-working, helped out those in need, etc. Why did he have to die? Honestly, I don't know. There is not easy answer to this question.
God has purpose for evil? So God created everything, right?Then he did create evil. So God creates and allows maliciousness, evilness,rape,murders,etc. all the while telling us not to commit such sins? Where's God's morality?
You say you can't explain it.I just think it is just all so illogical.
I believe God is good and in control to the fullest extent. Jesus Christ is the ultimate example of God's intervention with man, such that He sees the chaos, evil, pain, and suffering as a result of man's wickedness and sin, and sends His Son to die a provide a means of salvation from this world.
God has a purpose for evil. He created all things. My understanding of it is that God created all things, including man. He created man with the ability to choose between good and evil. Man chose evil and the world we have today is the consequence of that decision. Man is responsible but wants to shift the blame to God.
As previously stated, most of the time we don't understand God's purpose for evil, but there are examples in the Bible that seek to explain it... one example in the Bible is the life of Joseph... his brothers are jealous of him, sell him into slavery.. but eventually Joseph becomes Pharaoh's right hand man and God is able to use him to prepare for the famine.. an example when it is unclear is when Job goes through all the suffering... God never explains to him why, but clearly God had a purpose for it... so yea... I say hard to explain... you say illogical... I think it can go either way (in that I understand why you would say that it is illogical.
Quick question about your question about why bad stuff happens to good people. How do you define "good"? At what point does someone go from being defined as "good" to "bad"? What is the standard and line?
Originally Posted by acts65
I think to say that the basis of all institutionalized religion is to install morality and lead the way of life for the good life is oversimplifying and generalizing it. As a Christian, I certainly want to live a life in obedience to how Jesus and the Bible's instruction, however, salvation is not by living a good and moral life, but rather in faith by grace, recognizing my sin and weaknesses and Christ's perfect life, death on the cross and resurrection. As a result of my belief in Christ, I would seek to live a life in obedience to Him. But yes, in some ways, you can say religion installs morality and a way of life for the good life... but I believe there is more to it than that.Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey
But isn't the basis of institutionalized religions to install morality and lead the way of life for the good life? If God is good and in control, then to what extent? When can he or does he intervene in life of humans? Why allow some good people to die such horrible and tragic deaths?Originally Posted by acts65
5) God is good, in control, evil exists, and God has some purpose for evil, sometimes we can understand why but for the most part it remains a mystery (Christianity)
Personally, I believe in #5
Pain, evil, and suffering are a difficult thing to accept. My cousin died in college. He was a good guy, hard-working, helped out those in need, etc. Why did he have to die? Honestly, I don't know. There is not easy answer to this question.
God has purpose for evil? So God created everything, right?Then he did create evil. So God creates and allows maliciousness, evilness,rape,murders,etc. all the while telling us not to commit such sins? Where's God's morality?
You say you can't explain it.I just think it is just all so illogical.
I believe God is good and in control to the fullest extent. Jesus Christ is the ultimate example of God's intervention with man, such that He sees the chaos, evil, pain, and suffering as a result of man's wickedness and sin, and sends His Son to die a provide a means of salvation from this world.
God has a purpose for evil. He created all things. My understanding of it is that God created all things, including man. He created man with the ability to choose between good and evil. Man chose evil and the world we have today is the consequence of that decision. Man is responsible but wants to shift the blame to God.
As previously stated, most of the time we don't understand God's purpose for evil, but there are examples in the Bible that seek to explain it... one example in the Bible is the life of Joseph... his brothers are jealous of him, sell him into slavery.. but eventually Joseph becomes Pharaoh's right hand man and God is able to use him to prepare for the famine.. an example when it is unclear is when Job goes through all the suffering... God never explains to him why, but clearly God had a purpose for it... so yea... I say hard to explain... you say illogical... I think it can go either way (in that I understand why you would say that it is illogical.
Quick question about your question about why bad stuff happens to good people. How do you define "good"? At what point does someone go from being defined as "good" to "bad"? What is the standard and line?
Bruh do you understand how gravity works?The disrespect parents get, smh
If there were a god then that would be him, all in one, androgynous, your parents...mother n father. DNA, chromosomes, genetics, chemistry, etc.
The Sun, another "God".
How much more "God" can you get get than this?
You take away the Sun, everything ceases to exist.
The Sun btw is the only being that has defied the law of change that I'm aware of. Change is the one constant in this world but the sun has risen in the east since forever and that has not changed.
If we are going to discuss a god then let's discuss a being that actually makes a difference and not allegories and assertions from texts.
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