Are Nike Retro/Sportswear REALLY not same performance-wise as OGs?

[jthagreat]

Originally Posted by ninjahood

NBA/ D1 college players rock retros all da time...still don't see da problem.

this was the point i was making about fakes earlier. if high-flying athletes can wear inferior product, is it OUR MENTAL that plays a part in a shoe lacking quality, performance, etc?

altho i side more wit the fact Nike is taking out tech, cutting corners, i also think its mental as well.

 

[jthagreat]

Originally Posted by ninjahood

NBA/ D1 college players rock retros all da time...still don't see da problem.

this was the point i was making about fakes earlier. if high-flying athletes can wear inferior product, is it OUR MENTAL that plays a part in a shoe lacking quality, performance, etc?

altho i side more wit the fact Nike is taking out tech, cutting corners, i also think its mental as well.

 

[wade187]

Originally Posted by jthagreat

Originally Posted by ninjahood

NBA/ D1 college players rock retros all da time...still don't see da problem.

this was the point i was making about fakes earlier. if high-flying athletes can wear inferior product, is it OUR MENTAL that plays a part in a shoe lacking quality, performance, etc?

altho i side more wit the fact Nike is taking out tech, cutting corners, i also think its mental as well.

Most of them play in them simply cause they look good. And if I'm not mistaken the ones that do have pe's actually have way different tech and materials then what we get. 

 

[wade187]

Originally Posted by jthagreat

Originally Posted by ninjahood

NBA/ D1 college players rock retros all da time...still don't see da problem.

this was the point i was making about fakes earlier. if high-flying athletes can wear inferior product, is it OUR MENTAL that plays a part in a shoe lacking quality, performance, etc?

altho i side more wit the fact Nike is taking out tech, cutting corners, i also think its mental as well.

Most of them play in them simply cause they look good. And if I'm not mistaken the ones that do have pe's actually have way different tech and materials then what we get. 

 

[jthagreat]

Originally Posted by Wade187

Originally Posted by jthagreat

Originally Posted by ninjahood

NBA/ D1 college players rock retros all da time...still don't see da problem.

this was the point i was making about fakes earlier. if high-flying athletes can wear inferior product, is it OUR MENTAL that plays a part in a shoe lacking quality, performance, etc?

altho i side more wit the fact Nike is taking out tech, cutting corners, i also think its mental as well.

Most of them play in them simply cause they look good. And if I'm not mistaken the ones that do have pe's actually have way different tech and materials then what we get. 

i think the example im thinkin of is the LSU final four team (did they win the tourney?) that had big baby and tyrus tomas on it. those were undoubtedly fake shoes they were wearing. so if the can perform is no tech shoes, why do "we" think we cant?

in 1991 or whenever the jordan VI's came out, those were likely seen/advertised/and thought of as the premiere shoe at that time. Were they truly that great of a shoe, or were they just seen as that great of a shoe in comparison to what was out at the time?(mental thing im trying to speak on)

me personally, the hardest part of senior tryouts (bball) was not the running, it was the blood blisters that were present on the balls of my feet. I had on $200 Jordan XVII's

for me, I know its the tech and not the mental aspect, what about the others who complain on retro's quality and comfort? i still think its both.
  

edit: NT has had its fair share of designers comment, be apart of the community, has there been any engineers or whatever they are called in the shoe industry????

 

[jthagreat]

Originally Posted by Wade187

Originally Posted by jthagreat

Originally Posted by ninjahood

NBA/ D1 college players rock retros all da time...still don't see da problem.

this was the point i was making about fakes earlier. if high-flying athletes can wear inferior product, is it OUR MENTAL that plays a part in a shoe lacking quality, performance, etc?

altho i side more wit the fact Nike is taking out tech, cutting corners, i also think its mental as well.

Most of them play in them simply cause they look good. And if I'm not mistaken the ones that do have pe's actually have way different tech and materials then what we get. 

i think the example im thinkin of is the LSU final four team (did they win the tourney?) that had big baby and tyrus tomas on it. those were undoubtedly fake shoes they were wearing. so if the can perform is no tech shoes, why do "we" think we cant?

in 1991 or whenever the jordan VI's came out, those were likely seen/advertised/and thought of as the premiere shoe at that time. Were they truly that great of a shoe, or were they just seen as that great of a shoe in comparison to what was out at the time?(mental thing im trying to speak on)

me personally, the hardest part of senior tryouts (bball) was not the running, it was the blood blisters that were present on the balls of my feet. I had on $200 Jordan XVII's

for me, I know its the tech and not the mental aspect, what about the others who complain on retro's quality and comfort? i still think its both.
  

edit: NT has had its fair share of designers comment, be apart of the community, has there been any engineers or whatever they are called in the shoe industry????

 

[likethematrix]

Originally Posted by ninjahood

Originally Posted by Magic1978

The funny thing is that if you go to a high school basketball game, you'll see II's, III's, XI's and V's on the regular.

I caught a bunch of the ESPNU games on Saturday and Monday and that's all I saw.

this is why you gotta take da opinions of people that don't play sports like shoe collectors( not all but some) with a grain of salt....all da college D1 kids basically rock

everything that kids is rockin on da streets.

that is faulty. most colleges that are sponsored have PEs just like the pros.
also nike has zoom air they only give to athletes.
and that $$++ is phenomenal.

D2 colleges maybe play in store bought shoes, but not the top schools.
same design of shoes yeah for sure.
its like saying sheed plays in sheeds you coulda bought

 

[likethematrix]

Originally Posted by ninjahood

Originally Posted by Magic1978

The funny thing is that if you go to a high school basketball game, you'll see II's, III's, XI's and V's on the regular.

I caught a bunch of the ESPNU games on Saturday and Monday and that's all I saw.

this is why you gotta take da opinions of people that don't play sports like shoe collectors( not all but some) with a grain of salt....all da college D1 kids basically rock

everything that kids is rockin on da streets.

that is faulty. most colleges that are sponsored have PEs just like the pros.
also nike has zoom air they only give to athletes.
and that $$++ is phenomenal.

D2 colleges maybe play in store bought shoes, but not the top schools.
same design of shoes yeah for sure.
its like saying sheed plays in sheeds you coulda bought

 

[bigben1986]

non of them do. i wear retros and they feel clunky, heavy and not sporty at all. but the jumpman kicks actually do feel good. any kicks from old that are released such as flight's, foams, or jordans dont feel the same, never will feel the same.

 

[bigben1986]

non of them do. i wear retros and they feel clunky, heavy and not sporty at all. but the jumpman kicks actually do feel good. any kicks from old that are released such as flight's, foams, or jordans dont feel the same, never will feel the same.

 

[elcerrito91]

Originally Posted by Wade187

Originally Posted by jthagreat

Originally Posted by ninjahood

NBA/ D1 college players rock retros all da time...still don't see da problem.

this was the point i was making about fakes earlier. if high-flying athletes can wear inferior product, is it OUR MENTAL that plays a part in a shoe lacking quality, performance, etc?

altho i side more wit the fact Nike is taking out tech, cutting corners, i also think its mental as well.

Most of them play in them simply cause they look good. And if I'm not mistaken the ones that do have pe's actually have way different tech and materials then what we get. 

Nike is doing this cause they are greedy and want to milk us for all we're worth.....i believe that the players get better shoes than we do cause if they got injured by the shoes then sales would suffer.
  

 

[elcerrito91]

Originally Posted by Wade187

Originally Posted by jthagreat

Originally Posted by ninjahood

NBA/ D1 college players rock retros all da time...still don't see da problem.

this was the point i was making about fakes earlier. if high-flying athletes can wear inferior product, is it OUR MENTAL that plays a part in a shoe lacking quality, performance, etc?

altho i side more wit the fact Nike is taking out tech, cutting corners, i also think its mental as well.

Most of them play in them simply cause they look good. And if I'm not mistaken the ones that do have pe's actually have way different tech and materials then what we get. 

Nike is doing this cause they are greedy and want to milk us for all we're worth.....i believe that the players get better shoes than we do cause if they got injured by the shoes then sales would suffer.
  

 

[beh235]

The retros aren't meant for performance. Yes, the kids today wear the retros to play in. In comparison, these do not last as long as originals. I had an original pair of taxi 12's and it took me at least 6 months to break them in properly. And this was with everyday wear AND playing ball in them. The newer ones are made for style but are wearable, but are not as durable.

 

[beh235]

The retros aren't meant for performance. Yes, the kids today wear the retros to play in. In comparison, these do not last as long as originals. I had an original pair of taxi 12's and it took me at least 6 months to break them in properly. And this was with everyday wear AND playing ball in them. The newer ones are made for style but are wearable, but are not as durable.

 

[mkc1983]

There are many retros, perhaps some are more like the original than others. I could say that the Zoom Flight 5 retros does not feel as good as the OG. The original Zoom Flight 5 were perhaps the most comfortable shoes I've owned. The retros aren't bad, it's got decent cushioning, but the upper is harder and just doesn't feel the same as the original.

 

[mkc1983]

There are many retros, perhaps some are more like the original than others. I could say that the Zoom Flight 5 retros does not feel as good as the OG. The original Zoom Flight 5 were perhaps the most comfortable shoes I've owned. The retros aren't bad, it's got decent cushioning, but the upper is harder and just doesn't feel the same as the original.

 

[shoe luver]

i had the 07 royal blue foams and the `97 foams,ive balled in both of em,and the `97 joints are way better and last longer.on the 07 foams,the sole started to peel,the creased everywhere,and the carbon fiber started to tear up.but in the `97 foams,they last long,still put together nicely,soles still attatched,and hardly any noticeable creases.(and just to let y`all know,i buy three pairs of kicks i like,one to ball in,one to wear,and one for my collection)XD

 

[shoe luver]

i had the 07 royal blue foams and the `97 foams,ive balled in both of em,and the `97 joints are way better and last longer.on the 07 foams,the sole started to peel,the creased everywhere,and the carbon fiber started to tear up.but in the `97 foams,they last long,still put together nicely,soles still attatched,and hardly any noticeable creases.(and just to let y`all know,i buy three pairs of kicks i like,one to ball in,one to wear,and one for my collection)XD

 

[koolbarbone]

So because college and pro players wear retros, that means that they are equal in quality to the original?

All it means is that they are suitable for competition. It speaks nothing about the comparative quality of the retro itself.

 

[koolbarbone]

So because college and pro players wear retros, that means that they are equal in quality to the original?

All it means is that they are suitable for competition. It speaks nothing about the comparative quality of the retro itself.

 

[bigpunoy]

If college/high school kids today are playing ball in retro's and wearing similar models for everyday wear then they've never felt the difference so it's nothing to their feet or even an issue in their mind. You notice that once players get to the NBA a lot of them use custom orthotics where becomes an issue of taking care one of your most valuable assets in basketball, your feet.

 

[bigpunoy]

If college/high school kids today are playing ball in retro's and wearing similar models for everyday wear then they've never felt the difference so it's nothing to their feet or even an issue in their mind. You notice that once players get to the NBA a lot of them use custom orthotics where becomes an issue of taking care one of your most valuable assets in basketball, your feet.

 

[denverairforce]

it's not rocket science. Nike retros shoes for "lifestyle" use (read: casual use, for looks only), and they do so as cheap as they can to make maximum dollars. Nike puts actual athletic technology into new models, not retros. a lot of "zoom" retros don't have full length zoom, a lot of air max retros don't have air in the forefoot like the originals, a lot of air max midsoles are made of firmer material (less shock absorption, not made for running), the list goes on.

 

[denverairforce]

it's not rocket science. Nike retros shoes for "lifestyle" use (read: casual use, for looks only), and they do so as cheap as they can to make maximum dollars. Nike puts actual athletic technology into new models, not retros. a lot of "zoom" retros don't have full length zoom, a lot of air max retros don't have air in the forefoot like the originals, a lot of air max midsoles are made of firmer material (less shock absorption, not made for running), the list goes on.

 

[wallyhopp]

I always wonder why price points are so high on casual RETROS with no performance? You can spend $105 on a bad quality casual "retro" or jump up and buy a new "performance" Nike for $115-130. The whole "retro" genre is so slighted towards favoring Nike its not even funny. Nostalgia driven sales is so high that you really are paying for very little in terms of performance. Sadly, I believe this is blending in with current Nike performance shoes. "If we can charge $120 for a casual retro shoe that looks and feels bad, why not go about doing this with our performance line?" The doom of true performance is BEYOND us. It starts with forefoot only zoom "performance" shoes, then translates into a kobe VI with 7 year old technology being touted as 'current' and 'top of the line'. Even the new Jordans.. removable insoles??? really? One of them featuring basic "air". Thinking about this whole shoe thing from an outsiders perspective is really eye opening.

I realize the answer to my question is, "because they can". But think about this for a moment. Nike is still satisfied selling a lot of these shoes at outlets. Do you ever wonder why? Some of these are probably so cheap to make that even a $100 msrp shoe selling at $50 is making them $20-30 bucks. I'm a feeler when it comes to Nike shoes, so a chance to walk around a factory outlet and feel the materials, I am almost taken back to the payless days of my youth. Yet everything here is 5-10 times more. But I digress. If Nike is okay with selling many items at outlets and get those prices, you tend to realize where the real MSRP is on some of these shoes. Many of those uptempo retros trying to be sold at $160 unsuccessfully. But on the outlet front, $90-100 isn't so bad of a deal.. Outlets are a great way of neutralizing the effects of over priced items that the true MSRP is finally realized months down the line.

So on the onset, they are trying to rip you off, but outlets drop the price down to more manageable levels. SO yes, Nike Sportswear Retros are worse off quality. But when paying outlet prices you realize that they were never meant to be on par with their OG performance counterpart. Take a $140 dollar retro. It was likely never meant to compete with performance shoes of this era. The price is a bit too high. "Outlet bound", some would call them. So a few months down the line, we see them for $80 bucks. This is where I see the true value of an item. You are getting  $80 dollars worth of performance out of this shoe, not $140. The shoes not on sale. This is just a brand new MSRP. They make you think you are getting a deal with the price being so high to begin with, but in reality, I believe you are getting a $80 dollar performance shoe out of that retro.. And compare that with todays $80 dollar performance shoes,  the two are likely on par with each other... Call that weird logic if you want, but it really makes sense for me on the vast majority of shoes out there