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Of course Penny wasn't the SOLE leader. Shaq deserves credit too.
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No Penny deserves credit too.Originally Posted by amel223
Of course Penny wasn't the SOLE leader. Shaq deserves credit too.
No Penny deserves credit too.Originally Posted by amel223
Of course Penny wasn't the SOLE leader. Shaq deserves credit too.
But you are saying that he should get ANY blame. Like any? Minus the Bucks and Hornets. They had a very good shot being up 3-1 against Detroit. Does T-Mac show up during that Game 7 Now you and others have stated, better teams win the series and such, but upsets have happened in the playoffs with better teams being favorite losing still. AI and KG not winning rings were both because of the lakers which were the best team in the league, west/east coast. KG got far enough to at least see the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals. AI got far enough to see the Lakers in the NBA finals. These dudes got out of the first round being the best players on their team.You're not going to look at them and say you are the main reasons why we're not winning, but yo, some blame has to be put on. Great players make their teammates better. Yeah, they're doing the most, but is it enough? It is an inexcusable for T-Mac as great as he was, to never get out of the first round.Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Remember, we are speaking on TMAC in orlando. 3 years in the playoffs. Bucks, Pistons, and I forget the other team.Originally Posted by bob4rmmarketing
Yes, T-Mac was not at fault AT ALL for NEVER making it out of the first round. No matter what team he was on. Zero liability. The captain and the leader of teams will get no fault in never being out of the first round. It's not YOUR fault T-Mac. None whatsoever.
But why should he be blamed? He does the most for the team, so why should he be blamed for it. I am seriously asking this question.
Being the leader means what? It doesn't mean that he is supposed to magically make his players play so well that they beat teams CLEARLY better than theirs. I don't agree with that logic. It is something the media does that never made sense.
You blame the person that without a doubt did the most for the team? He held up his end of the deal, his teammates just weren't good enough. Not sure why that is such a hard concept to understand man. One team is better than the other. The better teams USUALLY wins in a series. So if the worse team loses, why should we blame the player that produced the most for that team?
Try to look at it logically and deprogram the typical way we are taught to think about this topic.
Do we blame AI for not winning vs. the Lakers?
Do we blame KG for never winning a ring in Minny?
Why are we blaming the person that produces the most is my question?
But you are saying that he should get ANY blame. Like any? Minus the Bucks and Hornets. They had a very good shot being up 3-1 against Detroit. Does T-Mac show up during that Game 7 Now you and others have stated, better teams win the series and such, but upsets have happened in the playoffs with better teams being favorite losing still. AI and KG not winning rings were both because of the lakers which were the best team in the league, west/east coast. KG got far enough to at least see the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals. AI got far enough to see the Lakers in the NBA finals. These dudes got out of the first round being the best players on their team.You're not going to look at them and say you are the main reasons why we're not winning, but yo, some blame has to be put on. Great players make their teammates better. Yeah, they're doing the most, but is it enough? It is an inexcusable for T-Mac as great as he was, to never get out of the first round.Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Remember, we are speaking on TMAC in orlando. 3 years in the playoffs. Bucks, Pistons, and I forget the other team.Originally Posted by bob4rmmarketing
Yes, T-Mac was not at fault AT ALL for NEVER making it out of the first round. No matter what team he was on. Zero liability. The captain and the leader of teams will get no fault in never being out of the first round. It's not YOUR fault T-Mac. None whatsoever.
But why should he be blamed? He does the most for the team, so why should he be blamed for it. I am seriously asking this question.
Being the leader means what? It doesn't mean that he is supposed to magically make his players play so well that they beat teams CLEARLY better than theirs. I don't agree with that logic. It is something the media does that never made sense.
You blame the person that without a doubt did the most for the team? He held up his end of the deal, his teammates just weren't good enough. Not sure why that is such a hard concept to understand man. One team is better than the other. The better teams USUALLY wins in a series. So if the worse team loses, why should we blame the player that produced the most for that team?
Try to look at it logically and deprogram the typical way we are taught to think about this topic.
Do we blame AI for not winning vs. the Lakers?
Do we blame KG for never winning a ring in Minny?
Why are we blaming the person that produces the most is my question?
Are you insinuating that they won simply because TMAC wasn't there?Originally Posted by bob4rmmarketing
TMAC has never played on a team that has advanced out of the first round......except the Houston Rockets who advanced out of the first round without TMAC playing an actual playoff game.
Are you insinuating that they won simply because TMAC wasn't there?Originally Posted by bob4rmmarketing
TMAC has never played on a team that has advanced out of the first round......except the Houston Rockets who advanced out of the first round without TMAC playing an actual playoff game.
Statement A: Why are we blaming (majority blame) the person" that produces the most or does the mostOriginally Posted by bob4rmmarketing
At first you stated that "why are we blaming the person" that produces the most or does the most, but then you're saying you never said that he shouldn't get any blame.
Statement A: Why are we blaming (majority blame) the person" that produces the most or does the mostOriginally Posted by bob4rmmarketing
At first you stated that "why are we blaming the person" that produces the most or does the most, but then you're saying you never said that he shouldn't get any blame.
I am insinuating that Tracy McGrady has never gotten out of the first round of any NBA playoff. I find it weird that the one time where a team he was on made it out of the first round of a playoff, he wasn't actively apart of any game. I am saying that they advanced to a conference finals and Tracy McGrady had NOTHING to do with it.Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Are you insinuating that they won simply because TMAC wasn't there?Originally Posted by bob4rmmarketing
TMAC has never played on a team that has advanced out of the first round......except the Houston Rockets who advanced out of the first round without TMAC playing an actual playoff game.
I am insinuating that Tracy McGrady has never gotten out of the first round of any NBA playoff. I find it weird that the one time where a team he was on made it out of the first round of a playoff, he wasn't actively apart of any game. I am saying that they advanced to a conference finals and Tracy McGrady had NOTHING to do with it.Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Are you insinuating that they won simply because TMAC wasn't there?Originally Posted by bob4rmmarketing
TMAC has never played on a team that has advanced out of the first round......except the Houston Rockets who advanced out of the first round without TMAC playing an actual playoff game.
See, you've changed statement A. Because not once did you clarify "majority blame" until now. Where as I have stated all along that blame should not be placed SOLEY on him, but that he does get some of it. You never said T-Mac should get 0 blame yet you question why any blame is directed towards him?Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Statement A: Why are we blaming (majority blame) the person" that produces the most or does the mostOriginally Posted by bob4rmmarketing
At first you stated that "why are we blaming the person" that produces the most or does the most, but then you're saying you never said that he shouldn't get any blame.
Statement B: I never said that TMAC should get 0 blame.
Statements do not conflict.
But as I said, blaming SOMEONE for a team's loss is a lazy/elementary way of doing it. You would never see me use this method of game analysis. Because it isn't as simple as, "Blame the leader. He is the leader, no matter what he should will his team to victory." See my issue with this is someone has to win and someone has to lose. If two teams have leaders, are they both "supposed" to will their team to victory? If not they should receive the most individual blame since they are the leaders? Still doesn't make sense.
Let me give you a comparative analogy. You own a company. 5 sales reps under your rule. Your #1 guy has been with you since the start of the company. The 4 other guys have been tutored and trained by this #1 guy. The #1 guy is the leader, most experienced, and most productive salesman.
End of the year #'s are released and we see that his numbers are head and shoulders above everyone else. But as a whole, the company's numbers aren't what you think they should be. This year was finished in the red. A complete failure.
What do you do as a employer?
A. Do you blame your #1 guy who did his part and essentially carried the unit?
B. Do you look at all contributing factors like new local businesses that could have stolen clients, the recession, or even a lack of new products created this year by your company.
C. Do you look at the other 4 reps and tell them to improve their production?
I am more of a B person. I look at why the outcome happened the way it happened. I want to break down the situation and look at monthly reports (play by play game film in basketball) and make sure everyone on the ENTIRE TEAM knows why we failed as a unit.
C would be the 2nd option (distant 2nd)
option A would make no sense to me at all.
See, you've changed statement A. Because not once did you clarify "majority blame" until now. Where as I have stated all along that blame should not be placed SOLEY on him, but that he does get some of it. You never said T-Mac should get 0 blame yet you question why any blame is directed towards him?Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Statement A: Why are we blaming (majority blame) the person" that produces the most or does the mostOriginally Posted by bob4rmmarketing
At first you stated that "why are we blaming the person" that produces the most or does the most, but then you're saying you never said that he shouldn't get any blame.
Statement B: I never said that TMAC should get 0 blame.
Statements do not conflict.
But as I said, blaming SOMEONE for a team's loss is a lazy/elementary way of doing it. You would never see me use this method of game analysis. Because it isn't as simple as, "Blame the leader. He is the leader, no matter what he should will his team to victory." See my issue with this is someone has to win and someone has to lose. If two teams have leaders, are they both "supposed" to will their team to victory? If not they should receive the most individual blame since they are the leaders? Still doesn't make sense.
Let me give you a comparative analogy. You own a company. 5 sales reps under your rule. Your #1 guy has been with you since the start of the company. The 4 other guys have been tutored and trained by this #1 guy. The #1 guy is the leader, most experienced, and most productive salesman.
End of the year #'s are released and we see that his numbers are head and shoulders above everyone else. But as a whole, the company's numbers aren't what you think they should be. This year was finished in the red. A complete failure.
What do you do as a employer?
A. Do you blame your #1 guy who did his part and essentially carried the unit?
B. Do you look at all contributing factors like new local businesses that could have stolen clients, the recession, or even a lack of new products created this year by your company.
C. Do you look at the other 4 reps and tell them to improve their production?
I am more of a B person. I look at why the outcome happened the way it happened. I want to break down the situation and look at monthly reports (play by play game film in basketball) and make sure everyone on the ENTIRE TEAM knows why we failed as a unit.
C would be the 2nd option (distant 2nd)
option A would make no sense to me at all.
Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy
Originally Posted by anotherprodigy
Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams
Penny couldn't even get a title with Shaq.
The 1st round was a breeze though.
Sidenote-Nobody in my school's gym knew who Tyreke Evans is...not even dudes on the Men's team. Is this common? Do people even follow basketball anymore or just play it.
I'm not sure where you live but thats funny and sad at the sametime. They should at least know players from 2k
Originally Posted by TruthGetsBusy
Originally Posted by anotherprodigy
Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams
Penny couldn't even get a title with Shaq.
The 1st round was a breeze though.
Sidenote-Nobody in my school's gym knew who Tyreke Evans is...not even dudes on the Men's team. Is this common? Do people even follow basketball anymore or just play it.
I'm not sure where you live but thats funny and sad at the sametime. They should at least know players from 2k