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Two middle ones are nice. I woudlnt wear these but I enjoy looking at them.
air max ST retro - summer 2009 PICTURES ADDED ON PAGE 2
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wow hope does a good job
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some technical details of the St (Original release 1992)
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Originals were very comfortable; I hope these will be the same. I'll definitely be looking to get a pair.
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I remember these I had the aqua color ones when I was younger... 300th post= selling forum here I come again
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Thanks for posting Karl & Wally....
I'll have to reserve judgement till I a see them but for now I'm predicting 180 & Stab- like butch job....
I'll have to reserve judgement till I a see them but for now I'm predicting 180 & Stab- like butch job....
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they look decent to me...not really feelin them though. i'd still like to see them in person however
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Ill be picking up a pair of the off white colorway. We should update this thread with cubanee's pics.
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the air unit on those are CRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I wonder with all the retros I have, which ones actually have that Forefoot airsole like the originals have. Maybe one day when they getcompletely beat, I will cut through a pair to see how much nike was lying to us.. Thats just beyond shady. if I know an original had two airsoles and have notrue way to see if retros hold up, who knows what nike is pulling with us.. Does anyone know of any sure fire tests for the hidden bubbles?? I feel aroundunder the insole and it all feels the same.
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One of the weakest Air Maxs to begin with I can't see why they chose this model to retro.
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Shoes look sick!! Would love to have a pair of those.
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This is just a guess, but I imagine that the only shoes with forefoot air these days are the ones that have it visible, like Tailwind 4s, Air MaxPluses, and Air Max 95s-the forefoot air is part of the design.
The other retros that had forefoot air buried in the midsole likely don't have it anymore...I know the Air 180s don't and I imagine the Air Max 90sdon't either (they feel like bricks in the forefoot area)...it's likely Nike's way of cutting production costs so that the MSRP can still remainrelatively the same.
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These shoes are nice. Hope to see them come in new colorways.
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my concern is on of course the air trainers. my 2000 chlorophylls when you take the insole out, have the little exposed DOT that is directly onwhere the airbag is right below. not only in the heel but the forefoot. my zoom trainers from 04 have that same design mechanic in both spots. yet some 2000varsity reds, 03 SBs, various trainer IIIs, 04 trainer 1 lows etc.... have none of that ingrained in their manufacturing process which leaves me wondering ifAIR is even present in these models
I wonder if someone could take this up with the better business bureau. I also guess this is a big reason they no longer hand out pamphlets breaking down howtheir shoes are made.
im hating nike more and more everyday
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nike is OUT OF IDEAS. Which is good.
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Originally Posted by WallyHopp
my concern is on of course the air trainers. my 2000 chlorophylls when you take the insole out, have the little exposed DOT that is directly on where the airbag is right below. not only in the heel but the forefoot. my zoom trainers from 04 have that same design mechanic in both spots. yet some 2000 varsity reds, 03 SBs, various trainer IIIs, 04 trainer 1 lows etc.... have none of that ingrained in their manufacturing process which leaves me wondering if AIR is even present in these models. I dont spot the exposed dot on the heel or the forefoot of any of these other trainers. my trainer fts have a different feel to them as you can feel the contours in the midsole where the bubbles are.. Its hard to feel and even tell air is in them. I guess im trusting nike here because they still are quite comfortable. comparing all this to a few pairs of OGs and its a sad realization.
I wonder if someone could take this up with the better business bureau. I also guess this is a big reason they no longer hand out pamphlets breaking down how their shoes are made.
im hating nike more and more everydaybetter yet, questioning their business tactics as I dont want to get ripped off or injured as I play in a stuff that I thought and knew as a OG had air, in some retros, its straight up foam. I wouldnt call it false advertising as they never made it clear one way or another. so I guess ill just learn the hard way
if the shoe says air on it, then it damn well better have air in it. I would definitely say that is misleading and false advertisement. You are paying forsomething that is not there.
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The Stabs do have that "dot" you speak of inside...come to think of it, I think they have forefoot air (I can certainly feel *something*there that absorbs the pressure I put on that area as I walk)...as much as I dislike the Air Stab for its horrendous colorways and flawed design of the retro(it makes the shoe look a little bulky), they at least got forefoot air inside there...Originally Posted by WallyHopp
my concern is on of course the air trainers. my 2000 chlorophylls when you take the insole out, have the little exposed DOT that is directly on where the airbag is right below. not only in the heel but the forefoot. my zoom trainers from 04 have that same design mechanic in both spots. yet some 2000 varsity reds, 03 SBs, various trainer IIIs, 04 trainer 1 lows etc.... have none of that ingrained in their manufacturing process which leaves me wondering if AIR is even present in these models. I dont spot the exposed dot on the heel or the forefoot of any of these other trainers. my trainer fts have a different feel to them as you can feel the contours in the midsole where the bubbles are.. Its hard to feel and even tell air is in them. I guess im trusting nike here because they still are quite comfortable. comparing all this to a few pairs of OGs and its a sad realization.
I wonder if someone could take this up with the better business bureau. I also guess this is a big reason they no longer hand out pamphlets breaking down how their shoes are made.
im hating nike more and more everydaybetter yet, questioning their business tactics as I dont want to get ripped off or injured as I play in a stuff that I thought and knew as a OG had air, in some retros, its straight up foam. I wouldnt call it false advertising as they never made it clear one way or another. so I guess ill just learn the hard way
I, for some reason, expect future retros to come with a warning inside advising the consumer that these shoes are no longer recommended for running/basketball,etc just so they can cover their tracks in case someone does get injured while doing some physical activity in a retro.
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the black pair is nice, but imo they need to retro this OG cw
here is a picture of the unreleased sample version from a couple of years ago
here is a picture of the unreleased sample version from a couple of years ago
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I can feel non-visible air in the heel of retros no problem. Like you I haven't taken a saw to anything yet, but have been working on the assumption there's no such thing as forefoot air anymore. I'll look it up but I seem to recall ************* sawing some mid-2000's AJ down the middle to compare air bag sizes and there was evidence of forefoot air though.
That said, I can't really claim to have felt the presence of forefoot air. I suspect cost was less of an issue than say they learned over time it just didn't make a difference, especially compared to say Zoom air, which just makes more sense in the forefoot. I can't think of a modern shoe with desecrate, non-vis forefoot (yet a fair amount modern vis heel shoes) so I doubt they'ed keep on producing the units. I can't think of a modern shoe with desecrate, non-vis forefoot (yet a fair amount modern vis heel shoes) so I doubt they'ed keep on producing the units.
Given the overall quality of recent retros it should be no surprise.
That said, I can't really claim to have felt the presence of forefoot air. I suspect cost was less of an issue than say they learned over time it just didn't make a difference, especially compared to say Zoom air, which just makes more sense in the forefoot. I can't think of a modern shoe with desecrate, non-vis forefoot (yet a fair amount modern vis heel shoes) so I doubt they'ed keep on producing the units. I can't think of a modern shoe with desecrate, non-vis forefoot (yet a fair amount modern vis heel shoes) so I doubt they'ed keep on producing the units.
Given the overall quality of recent retros it should be no surprise.
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Had the black blue OGs in highschool, and they are still sitting dry rotting in my garage as we speak. As mentioned above, without the OG sized air bubble, it's really not the same shoe. And as also mentioned, they definitely seems like the biggest air bag I had ever seen, except maybe an OG 180, but the OG 180s were more translucent due to the protective sidewall. These ST's were crystal clear and it looked like you could stick a thumb straight through the tubes!
