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"A Bill to provide affordable quality Healthcare.......and for other purposes"
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Read all 1k+ pages...but that's the point. Few will. I doubt I know that fool Obama hasn't read1/10th of this monstrosity.
The feds took a dookie on all foolish Americans again.
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Originally Posted by Lazy B
Is this the 2,000 page bill that Congress voted for? Its going to get shot down in the Senate for a number of reasons.People don't realize how bad it could have been.
No rules against trying more than once. It will get through eventually.
When the game is rigged, nothing is impossible.
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Originally Posted by Nike Star Jay
oh, well props for reading all that
If someone is willing to pay me a week's salary so i can take off of work and read this thing, I'll be more than happy too. I doubt I'd evenunderstand 1/100th of the legal double talk and run around in this thing.
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You're right about that. Did you get a chance to look at the White House visitors log? Shows why there is a huge push by the Dems to get thispassed in the Senate. Dirty, dirty game.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
Originally Posted by Lazy B
Is this the 2,000 page bill that Congress voted for? Its going to get shot down in the Senate for a number of reasons.People don't realize how bad it could have been.
No rules against trying more than once. It will get through eventually.
When the game is rigged, nothing is impossible.
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Originally Posted by Lazy B
You're right about that. Did you get a chance to look at the White House visitors log? Shows why there is a huge push by the Dems to get this passed in the Senate. Dirty, dirty game.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
Originally Posted by Lazy B
Is this the 2,000 page bill that Congress voted for? Its going to get shot down in the Senate for a number of reasons.People don't realize how bad it could have been.
No rules against trying more than once. It will get through eventually.
When the game is rigged, nothing is impossible.
Neh, didn't see that yet. What's up with it?
btw, notice how "coincidentally" this bill is coming up for a vote around the holiday season. A time where most Americans are busy worrying aboutother things.
Coincidentally. Just coincidentally.
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i mean i understand it has to be in depth because of all of the issues it has to address but damn.
for the record, i am against this bill. not totally, but still against.
for the record, i am against this bill. not totally, but still against.
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Originally Posted by Lazy B
You're right about that. Did you get a chance to look at the White House visitors log? Shows why there is a huge push by the Dems to get this passed in the Senate. Dirty, dirty game.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
Originally Posted by Lazy B
Is this the 2,000 page bill that Congress voted for? Its going to get shot down in the Senate for a number of reasons.People don't realize how bad it could have been.
No rules against trying more than once. It will get through eventually.
When the game is rigged, nothing is impossible.
Rigged game? Dems have the majority.
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You could kill someone with the amount of paper there is right there.
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They don't have the votes needed as of today in the Senate. Its 58-42. Once more Dems begin to read it, the vote will favor 'nay'. Youneed 60 votes to pass a bill.Originally Posted by RustyShackleford
Originally Posted by Lazy B
You're right about that. Did you get a chance to look at the White House visitors log? Shows why there is a huge push by the Dems to get this passed in the Senate. Dirty, dirty game.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
Originally Posted by Lazy B
Is this the 2,000 page bill that Congress voted for? Its going to get shot down in the Senate for a number of reasons.People don't realize how bad it could have been.
No rules against trying more than once. It will get through eventually.
When the game is rigged, nothing is impossible.
Rigged game? Dems have the majority.
Neh, didn't see that yet. What's up with it?
btw, notice how "coincidentally" this bill is coming up for a vote around the holiday season. A time where most Americans are busy worrying about other things.
Coincidentally. Just coincidentally.
CEO of AFL-CIO and CEOs of pharmaceutical companies. Coincidence? I think not. When you understand the intricacies of the bill it all makes sense.People don't realize that it is bigger than healthcare. My College Republican meeting today was very intense regarding this issue. We had a former thinktank member kicking knowledge today. I wish I recorded it as an audio file so that people can listen to what he was saying. There's also a provision in theHR bill that punishes people anywhere from $2500 to prison for not having an "adequate" plan. This bureaucratic system that is going to be set upalong with Obamacare has disaster written all over it. The nation can potentially be bankrupted by the healthcare initiative.
This was definitely planned. However, with the Senate and House having 3 weeks of breaks before the end of the year, it won't be voted on in the Senateuntil 2010. They are trying to pass this before Copenhagen but that is not going to happen. This moron is going to sign off on the protocol.
Bill Clinton came in to talk to the Dems about doing this for the party NOT America. Not making sure that it was morally sound that people in America hadhealthcare but to make sure that it gets passed so that they can stay in power. Capitol Hill *+%@++% disgusts me.
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is it available online to read somewhere?
unfortunately with these bills, they are packed full of riders that have nothing to do with the main point of them... and congressmen and women just don'thave the time to read every single piece of everything they vote on. hopefully for this one though, being that it's so huge, they will take the time to doit.
it's those middle of the night ones you really have to worry about, the seemingly harmless ones.
unfortunately with these bills, they are packed full of riders that have nothing to do with the main point of them... and congressmen and women just don'thave the time to read every single piece of everything they vote on. hopefully for this one though, being that it's so huge, they will take the time to doit.
it's those middle of the night ones you really have to worry about, the seemingly harmless ones.
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CEO of AFL-CIO and CEOs of pharmaceutical companies. Coincidence? I think not. When you understand the intricacies of the bill it all makes sense. People don't realize that it is bigger than healthcare. My College Republican meeting today was very intense regarding this issue. We had a former think tank member kicking knowledge today. I wish I recorded it as an audio file so that people can listen to what he was saying. There's also a provision in the HR bill that punishes people anywhere from $2500 to prison for not having an "adequate" plan. This bureaucratic system that is going to be set up along with Obamacare has disaster written all over it. The nation can potentially be bankrupted by the healthcare initiative.Originally Posted by Lazy B
They don't have the votes needed as of today in the Senate. Its 58-42. Once more Dems begin to read it, the vote will favor 'nay'. You need 60 votes to pass a bill.Originally Posted by RustyShackleford
Originally Posted by Lazy B
You're right about that. Did you get a chance to look at the White House visitors log? Shows why there is a huge push by the Dems to get this passed in the Senate. Dirty, dirty game.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
Originally Posted by Lazy B
Is this the 2,000 page bill that Congress voted for? Its going to get shot down in the Senate for a number of reasons.People don't realize how bad it could have been.
No rules against trying more than once. It will get through eventually.
When the game is rigged, nothing is impossible.
Rigged game? Dems have the majority.
Neh, didn't see that yet. What's up with it?
btw, notice how "coincidentally" this bill is coming up for a vote around the holiday season. A time where most Americans are busy worrying about other things.
Coincidentally. Just coincidentally.
This was definitely planned. However, with the Senate and House having 3 weeks of breaks before the end of the year, it won't be voted on in the Senate until 2010. They are trying to pass this before Copenhagen but that is not going to happen. This moron is going to sign off on the protocol
If the Bill doesn't pass sometime this year (which it looks like it's not going to happen) look for the next vote to be around the Super bowl in earlFeb. Another major distraction period.
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This reform is poorly timed
record high unemployment + budget deficits=YNR
YNR=you not reforming
record high unemployment + budget deficits=YNR
YNR=you not reforming
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Whats the big deal?
This is how Washington works. You think other bills signed into law are 5 pages long? The 2003 Tax Cut bill Bush signed into law that AHEM cost an estimated1.3 Trillion dollars to date is 282 pages. You think Bush read all 282 pages?
We all know the answer to that right?
Here print it out and compare it to that stack.
http://frwebgate.access.g...docid=f:s1054pcs.txt.pdf
This is how Washington works. You think other bills signed into law are 5 pages long? The 2003 Tax Cut bill Bush signed into law that AHEM cost an estimated1.3 Trillion dollars to date is 282 pages. You think Bush read all 282 pages?
Here print it out and compare it to that stack.
http://frwebgate.access.g...docid=f:s1054pcs.txt.pdf
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Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Whats the big deal?
This is how Washington works. You think other bills signed into law are 5 pages long? The 2003 Tax Cut bill Bush signed into law that AHEM cost an estimated 1.3 Trillion dollars to date is 282 pages. You think Bush read all 282 pages?We all know the answer to that right?
Here print it out and compare it to that stack.
http://frwebgate.access.g...docid=f:s1054pcs.txt.pdf
What's your point?
Whoever claimed this is somethign new?
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Bush read something like 100 books a year during his presidency, so I don't think he'd have trouble reading a 282 page bill.Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Whats the big deal?
This is how Washington works. You think other bills signed into law are 5 pages long? The 2003 Tax Cut bill Bush signed into law that AHEM cost an estimated 1.3 Trillion dollars to date is 282 pages. You think Bush read all 282 pages?We all know the answer to that right?
Here print it out and compare it to that stack.
http://frwebgate.access.g...docid=f:s1054pcs.txt.pdf
But a 2k+ paged bill? I dont think 1 member of congress will truly have completely read it. They're going to just vote down party lines or use polls togauge public acceptance of the pill in order to posture themselves for reelection.
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My point was that all significant bills have a ton of pages. That's it. That tax cut bill costing the Govt 1.3 Trillion dollars and still growing was 282pages. How many in Congress read the whole bill and understood it? This Health bill or the process is no different. I just never seen so much spite on tryingto help uninsured Americans. I mean damn the govt spending money on us and it's a bad thing? I mean I rather have poor people with crooked teeth having theability to go to the dentist than having a hundred thousand dollar cruise missile killing innocent villagers.
Plus this Healthcare bill when pass whether it's good for us or bad or whatever it's simply Govt spending. Nothing has changed. Bush, Obama, it'sbusiness as usual. So all this OMG this healthcare bill will doom the US is a bunch of bull crap. Bush invested 1.8 trillion for Americans back in 2003 bylowering taxes and look where we're at now? A huge recession. How many forecasters back in 03 could predict this? No one just like no one now can see thefuture and predict what this Healthcare bill will do. The man got voted in by a majority so I say let him do what the people asked him to.
Plus this Healthcare bill when pass whether it's good for us or bad or whatever it's simply Govt spending. Nothing has changed. Bush, Obama, it'sbusiness as usual. So all this OMG this healthcare bill will doom the US is a bunch of bull crap. Bush invested 1.8 trillion for Americans back in 2003 bylowering taxes and look where we're at now? A huge recession. How many forecasters back in 03 could predict this? No one just like no one now can see thefuture and predict what this Healthcare bill will do. The man got voted in by a majority so I say let him do what the people asked him to.
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Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Whats the big deal?
This is how Washington works. You think other bills signed into law are 5 pages long? The 2003 Tax Cut bill Bush signed into law that AHEM cost an estimated 1.3 Trillion dollars to date is 282 pages. You think Bush read all 282 pages?We all know the answer to that right?
Here print it out and compare it to that stack.
http://frwebgate.access.g...docid=f:s1054pcs.txt.pdf
Isn't a tax cut costing the government money like saying that a store sale costs the retailer money? They didn't have the money in the first place, sothere is no way that they lost anything. If anything, a tax cut and store sale serve the same purpose... to bring in more revenue. If you don't believeme, check the increased revenue brought in by the federal government during the period after the cuts were passed.
