2025 NBA Draft Thread

Who are some players in the past coming out that you were totally wrong about ?

ex. I thought PJ Hairston would be a very good pro
 
TJ Ford would be an all time great PG
Russell Westbrook would be a bust
Noah Vonleh > Julius Randle
 
I’m sure there are long lists on both sides but a few that come to mind....

I was wrong about: Al Horford, DeAndre Jordan, Reggie Bullock (didn’t think he should leave early), Steve Blake, Tyrese Rice, MKG, LaMarcus Aldridge

I was right about: Kemba Walker, Jahlil Okafor, Danny Green, Sheldon Williams, Devin Booker, Jaylen Brown, Frank Kaminsky
 
Who are some players in the past coming out that you were totally wrong about ?

ex. I thought PJ Hairston would be a very good pro

I thought Stanley Johnson would at least be what Jaylen Brown is.

Thought Brice Johnson would be a great role player.

Thought Malik Monk would be automatic buckets.
 
Wrong about every player with any defensive potential:

Thabeet
Nerlens
Frank Ntilikina
MKG
 
ESPN 2020 Mock

  1. NYK James Wiseman Memphis 7-1 C 18.0

  2. CLE Anthony Edwards Georgia 6-3 SG 17.7

  3. PHX Cole Anthony 6-3 PG/SG 18.9

  4. CHI Theo Maledon Villeurbanne 6-5 PG 17.8

  5. ATL Deni Avdija Maccabi Tel Aviv 6-9 SG/SF 18.2

  6. WAS Nico Mannion Arizona 6-3 PG 18.1

  7. DAL Jaden McDaniels 6-10 SF/PF 18.5

  8. MEM Scottie Lewis Florida 6-5 SG/SF 19.1

  9. NOP Precious Achiuwa 6-9 PF 19.5

  10. MIN Isaiah Stewart Washington 6-9 C 17.9

  11. LAL Tyrese Maxey Kentucky 6-3 SG 18.4

  12. CHA Matthew Hurt Duke 6-9 PF 19.0

  13. MIA Josh Green Arizona 6-5 SG 18.4

  14. SAC Trendon Watford 6-9 SF/PF 18.4

  15. DET Tre Jones Duke 6-3 PG 19.2

  16. BKN Bryan Antoine Villanova 6-5 SG 18.9

  17. ORL Wendell Moore Duke 6-6 SF 17.5

  18. IND Patrick Williams Florida State 6-8 SF/PF 17.6

  19. LAC Kahlil Whitney Kentucky 6-7 SF/PF 18.2

  20. SAS Josiah James Tennessee 6-6 SG 18.6

  21. BOS Killian Hayes Cholet 6-5 PG/SG 17.7

  22. PHI (via OKC) Vernon Carey Duke 6-10 C 18.1

  23. UTA Ayo Dosunmu Illinois 6-4 PG/SG 19.2

  24. LAC (via PHI) Jordan Poole* Michigan 6-5 PG/SG 19.8

  25. HOU Malcolm Cazalon Bourg 6-6 SG 17.6

  26. POR A.J. Lawson* South Carolina 6-6 SG 18.7

  27. DEN Henri Drell* Bamberg 6-9 SF/PF 18.9

  28. GSW Ashton Hagans Kentucky 6-3 PG 19.7

  29. TOR Devon Dotson* Kansas 6-2 PG 19.7

  30. PHX (via MIL) Aaron Nesmith Vanderbilt 6-6 SF 19.5

  31. PHI (via NYK) Jalen Smith Maryland 6-10 PF 19.0

  32. CHA (via CLE) LaMelo Ball 6-6 PG/SG 17.6

  33. PHX Matthieu Gauzin Le Mans 6-3 PG 18.1

  34. CHI Paul Eboua* Roseto 6-8 PF 19.1

  35. ATL A.J. Reeves Providence 6-5 SG 19.8

  36. NOP (via WAS) Marcos Lousada Silva* Franca 6-6 SF 19.8

  37. PHI (via DAL) Arturs Zagars* Joventut 6-3 PG 19.0

  38. CHI (via MEM) Obadiah Toppin* Dayton 6-9 PF 21.1

  39. NOP Xavier Johnson Pittsburgh 6-3 PG 19.5

  40. MIN Jordan Nwora* Louisville 6-8 PF 20.6

  41. LAL Tyrese Haliburton Iowa St 6-5 PG 19.1

  42. NYK (via CHA) Kira Lewis Alabama 6-3 PG 18.0

  43. SAC (via MIA) Isaiah Joe Arkansas 6-5 SG 19.8

  44. SAC Ochai Agbaji Kansas 6-5 SF 19.0

  45. SAC (via DET) Derrick Alston Boise St 6-8 SF/PF 21.5

  46. CHA (via BKN) Joshua Obiesie* Wuerzburg 6-6 PG/SG 18.9

  47. ORL Jarron Cumberland* Cincinnati 6-5 SG 21.5

  48. IND Cassius Winston Michigan St 6-1 PG 21.1

  49. LAC Paul Reed DePaul 6-9 PF 19.8

  50. SAS Karlton Dimanche Cholet 6-5 PG/SG 19.1

  51. BOS Dalibor Ilic* Igokea 6-9 SF/PF 19.1

  52. OKC Paul Scruggs Xavier 6-4 PG/SG 21.1

  53. CLE (via UTA) Neemias Queta* Utah St 6-10 C 19.7

  54. PHI Tyler Bey Colorado 6-7 PF 20.1

  55. DAL (via HOU) Markus Howard Marquette 6-0 PG 20.1

  56. BKN (via POR) Kenny Wooten* Oregon 6-9 C 21.0

  57. BKN (via DEN) Grant Riller* Charleston 6-3 PG/SG 22.1

  58. SAC (via GSW) Rayshaun Hammonds Georgia 6-9 PF 21.4

  59. TOR Gytis Masiulis* Neptunas 6-9 PF 21.0

  60. NOP (via MIL) Georgios Kalaitzakis Panathinaikos 6-6 SG 20.2
 
They see CHA and just find whatever doofy guy they can in some of these mock drafts. I wish I could say they didn’t have the evidence otherwise.
 
Things would have to go horrifically wrong for the Knicks to get the #1 pick next year.

Wait nvm just realized it’s same order as this year lol
 
I was very wrong about Markkanen and Tatum.
Noel for sure
Evan Turner
Does Fultz count?
 
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2020 draft looking weak as hell too

I think it's a byproduct of the one-and-done era. The drafts are only as strong as the previous years' HS class (or the hype surrounding it rather). I lean more towards the draft prospects being unknown and unpublicized, moreso than the draft itself being weak. I've also read a few places that the international crop could potentially be one of the strongest in recent memory.

I have no stats to prove this but it feels like there's a strong sentiment that is draft is weak almost every year...and the results end up being a mixed-bag. The narratives can change so much throughout the year. Example...say a few of these freshman get off to a Trae Young/D'Angelo Russell-like start and the hype machine builds...we're having a different conversation about 2020. Neither of them were expected to be one-and-dones. It's even harder to build hype on an international prospect because most of them aren't playing alot for their club teams and don't have the luxury of the NCAA machine.

Pro Basketball Development is in a weird space. There's no one perfect "league" that elite prospects from all around the world can showcase in. The discussion around amateurism almost forces the NBA to open the gates back up and let the kids in again.
 
I think it's a byproduct of the one-and-done era. The drafts are only as strong as the previous years' HS class (or the hype surrounding it rather). I lean more towards the draft prospects being unknown and unpublicized, moreso than the draft itself being weak. I've also read a few places that the international crop could potentially be one of the strongest in recent memory.

I have no stats to prove this but it feels like there's a strong sentiment that is draft is weak almost every year...and the results end up being a mixed-bag. The narratives can change so much throughout the year. Example...say a few of these freshman get off to a Trae Young/D'Angelo Russell-like start and the hype machine builds...we're having a different conversation about 2020. Neither of them were expected to be one-and-dones. It's even harder to build hype on an international prospect because most of them aren't playing alot for their club teams and don't have the luxury of the NCAA machine.

Pro Basketball Development is in a weird space. There's no one perfect "league" that elite prospects from all around the world can showcase in. The discussion around amateurism almost forces the NBA to open the gates back up and let the kids in again.
Speaking of global development, I’m surprised there hasn’t been a significant uptick in the African talent pool, with the NBA planting deeper roots there this decade.
 
Speaking of global development, I’m surprised there hasn’t been a significant uptick in the African talent pool, with the NBA planting deeper roots there this decade.
Feel like we are going to see it within the next 5 years or so with the inception of the new African pro league starting up at the beginning of next year.
 
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