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2020-21 NBA Offseason thread: Officially a wrap
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- Jan 20, 2002
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clay bennett had no intentions of staying
nobody from seattle area was looking to purchase the sonics and also pay for a new arena
- Jun 4, 2016
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2019 yes,those other years nope.
- Oct 13, 2001
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MIKE LOWERY
formerly chuck finster
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I really shouldn't but............
His on court responsibility drops to essentially nothing and he becomes the best in the league. What a novel concept.
- Apr 26, 2008
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Unfair as it may be, KD was never going to get that love on a 73 win team.
It was clear KD was better than Steph & Klay, but it was their team.
It was clear KD was better than Steph & Klay, but it was their team.
- Jun 9, 2020
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This is where we start blending team accomplishments into player a vs player b comparisons and that's where I personally draw the line. I don't give KD any added credit because he beat LeBron head to head in the finals and I don't hold it against LeBron for losing to the KD era warriors. If you swapped them and LeBron now has steph and klay and they beat a KD/Kyrie/KLove team, that doesn't tell me if Bron is better than KD or not. It just tells me the better team won.
KD is probably the most gifted scorer I've ever seen but LeBron can still get you 30 on solid efficiency and he's a better passer/playmaker than KD is. That makes LeBron an all around better player than KD to me.
- Jan 2, 2010
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Mike was, Shaq was too. Generational talents don't need to win the chip for people to see they're the best players.
Generational talents also get held to the standard that "you better win it". It ain't all good. It's both sides of the coin. That's what KD don't get. Nitpicking comes with the territory. You not winning that battle.
He claims he just wants to hoop but he don't. He wants that love and credit just like the rest of 'em.
- Aug 11, 2012
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Absolutely. That Cavs team was not terrible
. Look at the field in the East.Any of the 3 best players in the league...with another all star and shooters and players tailor made for them would be there. The 2018 finals was in the west.
- Jun 7, 2011
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People were putting Bron in front of Kobe because Bron was putting up more than Kobe in basically every single statistical category. In any given year KD was just the leading scorer.
He didn’t make a single all-defense team in OKC and we didn’t even know he could pass until Russ got hurt.
Bron got credit for Miami because in the playoffs he led the Heat in points (by a MILE) rebounds assists, and steals. 4 of the major 5. I think Hakeem is the only other guy who can say that.
KD is supposed to be THAT. He never actually showed us that he was. Gave up a 3-1 lead, getting outscored by the other guy in G7 by almost 10 points. Then jumping to that guy’s team?
He should have better spacing in Brooklyn than he did in OKC. We’ll see what happens.
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there's at least 5-10 SFs you could've put on that 2016-2017 to replace Harrison Barnes instead of adding KD and the warriors still win the chip because the core of steph/klay/dray/iggy was just that good of a team. I'm not putting KD above Bron just because he beat Bron head to head on a team where KD just had to be better than Harrison Barnes's paltry 9/4/2 on 35/31/60.
MIKE LOWERY
formerly chuck finster
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At their peak the only thing KD ever did better than Bron was shoot slightly better from range. The ONLY thing.
Same as Kobe v. Mike.
Hell they average the same points and their efficiency is damn near identical career wise. All that best scorer **** is arguable. They used to say the same thing with Melo. And he will always be one of West Baltimore's finest to me, but he was never a better scorer than Bron either. More creative maybe, but better? Nah.
Same as Kobe v. Mike.
Hell they average the same points and their efficiency is damn near identical career wise. All that best scorer **** is arguable. They used to say the same thing with Melo. And he will always be one of West Baltimore's finest to me, but he was never a better scorer than Bron either. More creative maybe, but better? Nah.
- Jun 9, 2020
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that's a 6 foot jumper with some tricky camera work, at best. who y'all trying to fool?
- Jun 15, 2013
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Well ....
Who do you guys for ROY?
I see right now isba dead heat between
Flynn and Melo - lol
But I have Obi. I know jokes on me.
Who do you guys for ROY?
I see right now isba dead heat between
Flynn and Melo - lol
But I have Obi. I know jokes on me.
- May 9, 2004
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clear?
Ser, that’s another argument for another day.
You’re positive about him being better then Bron during that run but not Steph and Klay?
- Aug 11, 2012
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He was right there all along. That’s why his **** was so absurd.
the 2 best players in the league were playing on the same team In 2017 & 2018. It was truly unfair.
MVP
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I disagree with the Mike and Shaq take. The 80s was Bird and Magic's, Mike was the most talented but he didn't get that universal stamp like Bron did. Same with Shaq not being acknowledged as that after he kept getting swept out of the playoffs with the Magic and Lakers. Even now you hear commentary about Bron been the best player in the world for the last 15 years? Like how, with Duncan and Bean there. He's got the most talent fasho maybe of any single player ever, but the rules have been different to a degree with how the adulation comes in as well as the excusal of his past failures.
Of course KD wants recognition, the burners alone tell you that loud and clear. It's just the goalposts move for certain guys based a lot of time on how they ingratiate themselves with those that control the narratives.
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You’re positive about him being better then Bron during that run but not Steph and Klay?
I think KD, Steph & Bron were the best three players in the league over the last 5-6 years. They varied over those years. But those guys, sat at the same table. I’ve said it countless times, that it’s debatable.
Why that is hard to comprehend, is beyond me.
- Apr 26, 2008
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clear?
Ser, that’s another argument for another day.
KD needed Steph & Co, but he was still the better player imo.
It helps that he's 7 foot.
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Bron
Steph/KD
Harden and the rest
Steph/KD
Harden and the rest
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People were putting Bron in front of Kobe because Bron was putting up more than Kobe in basically every single statistical category. In any given year KD was just the leading scorer.
He didn’t make a single all-defense team in OKC and we didn’t even know he could pass until Russ got hurt.
Bron got credit for Miami because in the playoffs he led the Heat in points (by a MILE) rebounds assists, and steals. 4 of the major 5. I think Hakeem is the only other guy who can say that.
KD is supposed to be THAT. He never actually showed us that he was. Gave up a 3-1 lead, getting outscored by the other guy in G7 by almost 10 points. Then jumping to that guy’s team?
He should have better spacing in Brooklyn than he did in OKC. We’ll see what happens.
So Giannis is the best in the world right now then right? He's putting up the best stats of anybody. It can't all JUST be about the numbers. Bean was putting up a reb and couple assists less than Bron was in the regular season and playoffs while being a monster in 2009 and 2010 in those playoffs and leading his team to b2b chips, like does that not matter at all? If the numbers a comparable which they were for Bean and Bron in the late 00s like they were for KD and Bron in the mid-late 10s then yea I'd except similar acknowledgement.
- Jan 2, 2010
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The best player in basketball needs a better team. Can he let the Bulls become one?
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Michael Jordan's Best Shot
The best player in basketball needs a better team. Can he let the Bulls become one?
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