2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions

[madj55]

Barry is the GOAT.

 

[CP1708]

Pro, I know you'll see this in here. I'm actually in an Excel class to get better at spreadsheets.

I'm gonna be savage when I get done in here.

 

[sneaky]

Junior Lake wants me to forget about Starlin Castro.

7 hits the last 2 games. Hit a moon shot in the 9th.

Only thing I don't like right now is nobody should be wearing 21. Cubs need to knock that **** off and retire that number. Stop being an ex wife about things.

Lake

Just need to move Soriano.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Happy Birthday to the greatest hitter and overall baseball player that any of you have ever seen in your lifetime. 

This reads with such bitterness.

 

[dland24]

No bitterness.  Just truth. 

 

[JD617]

Look I am not going to go on and on with this.

I believe what I believe, and it's based on research.

All I know is that If steroids are as effective as you think they are the question still remain.

1. Why has offensive production remained consistent with historical trends.
2. Why aren't player numbers more volatile than normal.

THE FACT REMAINS: There is no evidence of any enhanced player performance to be found in the STATISTICS of the game.

Period.

If steroids are effective for hitting a baseball, they are invisible to the measurements that we have available to us.

Unless someone can actually show me proof, I'm not going to buy steroid hype just because they work in other sports.

So we can safely assume the Home Run numbers of certain players that period are chalked up to juiced balls and other ball park factors is what you are saying.

You can use your broad MLB graphs and numbers for the league as a whole but I would like to hear your reasoning on specific individuals' stat spikes.

More specifically, what you are implying is PED use had minimal affect from an aged 35-41 Barry Bonds. That entire process he went through with Balco and his doping regimen had minimal affect on his numbers and career arc.

Because if you say "well for Bonds, yeah it's obvious" then your entire argument about this is moot.

I don't have a horse in this race but he did explain this.

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh  

People always ask me, if not for steroids how did Barry put up such insane numbers as an old man.

I think the perception of steroids helped Barry more than the steroids.

Follow me down this path, for arguments sake accept that;

a). Barry Bonds used steroids, but they don't really help you hit home-runs.
b) Baseball began juicing the baseball in 1994.
c) Hitting 60+ home runs is as much a matter of luck as it is skill, no matter how much power you have you need some to be aided by wind, no mike trouts to pull them back over the wall. case in point Roger Maris hit 60 and never hit more than 39 before or after.

Barry Bonds, had an incredibly lucky season where he hit 70+ home runs, being aided mostly by the juiced baseball, and a random valley in the quality of major league pitching during the early 2000's (fastball velocity has risen almost 2 mph since bonds 70 season pitchers and defenses are unquestionably better.)

Barry Bonds greatest skill is his batting eye, its without question the greatest in the history of baseball, that 70+ home run season and his physical stature put the fear of god into pitchers, and basically nobody ever challenged him again, even as he got older/fatter/slower.

Batting eye/pitch recognition is know in baseball as an old man skill, and because of the fear and perception, Barry was getting worse but pitchers were still pitching him like 70+ home run Barry, they presumed he was an inhuman being aided by magic home run beans, this allowed Barry to leverage the one skill that doesn't age. His impeccable command of the strike zone.

This is my alternative non steroid theory as to why Barry could put up such video game numbers as 38+ years old.

Barry Bonds was uniquely qualified to take advantage of the power spike in 1994.

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh  
 

It takes a lot of factors to hit a HR, that I do agree with OKB, a couple of those factors are strength and energy.

Bonds already had it all, whatever he was taking, gave him the strength and energy to accomplish his feats. The only reason his HR numbers dipped after the "73*" HR season was because his IBB's rose to epic levels.

He went from a averaging 25 HR's and 79 RBI's in Pittsburgh to averaging 44 HR's and 107 RBI's in San Francisco with BALCO conveniently located in the Bay Area (

). Bonds hit 73* HR's at age 36... thirty ******g six. If you didn't think PED's aided him, don't know what to tell you.

Bonds is the only athlete that figured out a way to beat father time, 'cause none of the other "GOATS" figured it out.

So I think it's valid when people dismiss his Home Run "record".

Hank Aaron certainly figured it out, had his best power season at age 39, hit more homers after 30 than almost anyone.

Ted Williams, 5 best power seasons came at the ages, of 41, 34, 36, 38 22

Stan Musial? 36, 32, 33, 28, 27

Reggie Jackson? 23, 34, 31, 29, 36 and has his 7th best one at 39

One of Hank Green Bergs top 4 power seasons was at age 35.

based on isolated power.

It's almost as if, baseball HAS ALWAYS been filled with statistical; quirks like this.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Happy Birthday to the greatest hitter and overall baseball player that any of you have ever seen in your lifetime. 

Barry Bonds 3rd Deck Shot at Yankee Stadium 2002

 

[sneaky]

Happy Birthday to the greatest hitter and overall baseball player that any of you have ever seen in your lifetime. 

Barry Bonds 3rd Deck Shot at Yankee Stadium 2002

:x

 

[proshares]

Pro, I know you'll see this in here. I'm actually in an Excel class to get better at spreadsheets.

I'm gonna be savage when I get done in here.

I used to teach that class.

 

[DownByLaw]

FB coming out of nowhere to talk ****

Pujols is no longer STL Pujols

Happy Birthday to the greatest * hitter that Balco ever created. 

HBD Barroid!

 

[DeadsetAce]

barry

 

[ooiron manoo]

Happy Birthday to the greatest hitter and overall baseball player that any of you have ever seen in your lifetime.

Ken Griffey Jr's bday today, didn't 'eeem know

 

[dland24]

Thats cute Iron Man.  Continue to believe that Ken Griffey Jr and his one MVP award are in the same conversation as Bonds and his seven.

 

[a55a5in11]

Thats cute Iron Man.  Continue to believe that Ken Griffey Jr and his one MVP award are in the same conversation as Bonds and his seven.

*

 

[jewbacca]

Matt Kemp to the DL again lol

 

[dland24]

Thats cute Iron Man.  Continue to believe that Ken Griffey Jr and his one MVP award are in the same conversation as Bonds and his seven.

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Alright fine.  Lets just ignore the four MVPs that he won after he allegedly started using steroids.  I'm not a mathematician, but I swear that 3 > 1.  Thats not even counting the additional MVP that Terry Pendleton robbed from him.

 

[jewbacca]

Bonds is the best offensive player in the modern era of baseball. No one is really in a close second.

 

[dman14]

[QUOTE url="/t/287472/mlb-season-thread-play-ball/14400#post_18398778"]

Thats cute Iron Man.  Continue to believe that Ken Griffey Jr and his one MVP award are in the same conversation as Bonds and his seven.

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Alright fine.  Lets just ignore the four MVPs that he won after he allegedly started using steroids.  I'm not a mathematician, but I swear that 3 > 1.  Thats not even counting the additional MVP that Terry Pendleton robbed from him.
[/quote]

im a fan of both. barry had a great career from start to finish. griffey had a nice decade, but barry was just on a different level. his defense was not on griffey's level but he was decent enough to rack up so many gold gloves. also, young barry was a terror on the base paths. he was a real 5 tool player. shouldve had a couple more mvps (remember kent took one from him as well). never seen a man strike fear when he step to the plate. look at those IBBs :x

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

2004:

.364

47 Homers

234 Walks

 

[johnson1]

Bonds is truly, without a doubt, the greatest baseball player to ever do steroids

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Bonds is truly, without a doubt, the greatest baseball player ever

That's better

 

[dman14]

2004:

.364

47 Homers

234 Walks

when your HR to strikeout ration is basically 1:1
roided bonds didnt get much to hit, but when he did

 

[dland24]

Bonds is truly, without a doubt, the greatest baseball player to ever do steroids

An A's fan should be the last person to make steroid jokes.

 

[acbboyz84]

MLB. Where cheating players takes roid and still get paid. Glad im not a baseball fan.

 

[freddie black]

Whoa, Eric Wedge had a mild stroke on Monday.