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Markakis to the Braves for 4 years approx $44M.
2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions
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Braves aren't fireselling I guess.
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That's a bargain deal compared to other crap lol
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Eh....our payroll is pretty high every year. Always top ten. The problem with our payroll is that a big chunk of our payroll goes to useless players that dont contribute.
Granted, this is partly injury related, but last year, we were paying:
$17M for Tim Lincecum
$20M for Matt Cain
$9M for Angel Pagan
$6M for Marco Scutaro
Thats $52M (well over 25% of our entire payroll) that were wrapped up in useless players.
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Am I the only one who thinks Markakis sucks?
jumpmanfromdabay
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Am I the only one who thinks Markakis sucks?
I would rather re-sign Michael Morse
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NM is basically an average major leaguer.
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Good point. Either way it's impressive what the Giants have done this past decade, piecing together a contender despite its high payroll guys not doing anything. I miss Timmy being dominant. Was one of my favorite pitchers to watch in his prime.
jumpmanfromdabay
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Well speaking of NM he agreed wirh ATL 4/44
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The Royals were a Cinderella story. Idk how u can say bigger pay teams don't have an advantage when they can spend more money on free agents
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Look at the Yankees since 09. Look at the Dodgers. It doesn't always work when you spend like crazy. Baseball is a wild sport.
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Michael Saunders to the Jays.
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Joel Sherman
It’s come to this for 2015: Yankees as Royals copycats
http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/its-come-to-this-for-2015-yankees-as-royals-copycats/
If the Yankees refuse to go after Scherzer or Lester.. This is by far the smartest move they could make.
So what if you have to pay 4 years at top dollar for Robertson & Miller. Dellin Betances, Adam Warren & Jacob Lindgren will be pre-arbitration and arbitration in that entire span. You wouldn't have to commit any more money to it. After 4 years, you then can go a different route. But if you're not going to try to get a top starter, you need to invest in the bullpen.
As many guys as Dellin K'd with nasty stuff, Robertson K'd just as many per 9. Lindgren is a strikeout machine.
There could be games Yankees could lead after 5, turn to the bullpen and it would be lights out.
It’s come to this for 2015: Yankees as Royals copycats
http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/its-come-to-this-for-2015-yankees-as-royals-copycats/
The Yankees are trying to navigate this difficult terrain: They want to position themselves to contend for a championship in 2015 without taking on onerous long-term contracts at a time when their roster is, at minimum, problematic.
This is why they are involved so deeply with Andrew Miller.
Let’s try an explanation:
The Royals showed last season that an indomitable late-game bullpen could be the key element in a team getting to the World Series. In conjunction with an elite defense, Kansas City used its powerhouse late-game trio of Greg Holland, Wade Davis and Kelvin Herrera to cover up for blemishes, namely, a good but not championship rotation and a middle-of-the-road offense.
The strategy is to win a disproportionate amount of toss-up games due to the strength of the pen, hope that is enough to push toward 90 wins or more and — should you get into the playoffs — have a proven October formula for success by reducing games to six innings.
After spending $458 million on four long-term contracts last offseason and having a bunch of dead-weight deals on what should be a $220 million-plus payroll already, the Yankees are tentative about doing more mega-deals. Translation: No Max Scherzer or Jon Lester.
Nevertheless, the Yankees’ current roster construction leaves them without a clear area of strength. But if the Yankees were to purchase Miller and either retain David Robertson or sign another closer type to team with Dellin Betances, they could have a formidable back-end pen. Particularly if recently obtained Justin Wilson and last year’s top pick, Jacob Lindgren, can give the Yankees high-end lefty pen work.
The Yankees outperformed their run differential in each of the past two seasons, to some large degree because of how well manager Joe Girardi and pitching coach Larry Rothschild maneuvered relievers to their strengths. The Yankees’ 100-67 record in 2013-14 in games decided by two or fewer runs was by far the majors’ best.
A pen with Miller, Robertson and Betances would be better than what the club had the last two seasons.
It would support a rotation with tons of questions and then if, say, Masahiro Tanaka, Michael Pineda, CC Sabathia and Ivan Nova did not succumb to worrisome health concerns, the Yankees would have a strong rotation and pen. And/or if Carlos Beltran, Jacoby Ellsbury and Brian McCann perform better in Yankees Year 2, then the team’s lineup also would be stronger.
Obviously, there are a lot of ifs here and that usually bodes poorly. But, at the least, the pen almost certainly would be a strength with a chance for other areas to fall positively, providing a road map to contention.
Still, it will be difficult to build that pen. The Yankees tolerance for Miller or Robertson seems to be three years in the $30 million to $39 million range. Both players are striving for four-year pacts in the area of Jonathan Papelbon’s $52 million deal. The Yankees are currently saying they will not go to that level. So if the Astros, Dodgers, Cubs, Rangers, Red Sox or any other organization interested in one or the other differentiates itself by going to four years that franchise likely will get the relievers. If not and the Yankees are willing to make a fourth-year option that triggers, then maybe they win.
Would they sign both relievers? Perhaps. But if they do, I wonder if that taps out their budget and they have to shut down multi-year pursuits of players such as Brandon McCarthy and Chase Headley and rely on either one-year options or internal alternatives for rotation depth and either second or third base.
Perhaps, the Yankees would be willing to ink just Miller and have a lefty-righty dynamic duo with Betances that could get three-to-six outs from the sixth inning on a few times a week, and then sign a traditional closer who will cost considerably less than Robertson, such as Jason Grilli or Sergio Romo. I do think the Yankees would like to be more aggressive with their pen — not have hard-and-fast sixth-, seventh- and eighth-inning roles and, instead, attack winnable games with their best relievers as often and for as many outs that are reasonable without courting injury.
Could you make a case that even if Miller and Robertson cost a combined $80 million to $90 million on three- or four-year deals that they would impact at least as many games — if not more — than, say, Scherzer on a pact that would be double that or more and a riskier seven or eight years?
This is where, I believe, the Yankees thinking is now: Trying to enhance a long-shot title quest by following a Royals path without overly exposing themselves to long-term risk.
This is why they are involved so deeply with Andrew Miller.
Let’s try an explanation:
The Royals showed last season that an indomitable late-game bullpen could be the key element in a team getting to the World Series. In conjunction with an elite defense, Kansas City used its powerhouse late-game trio of Greg Holland, Wade Davis and Kelvin Herrera to cover up for blemishes, namely, a good but not championship rotation and a middle-of-the-road offense.
The strategy is to win a disproportionate amount of toss-up games due to the strength of the pen, hope that is enough to push toward 90 wins or more and — should you get into the playoffs — have a proven October formula for success by reducing games to six innings.
After spending $458 million on four long-term contracts last offseason and having a bunch of dead-weight deals on what should be a $220 million-plus payroll already, the Yankees are tentative about doing more mega-deals. Translation: No Max Scherzer or Jon Lester.
Nevertheless, the Yankees’ current roster construction leaves them without a clear area of strength. But if the Yankees were to purchase Miller and either retain David Robertson or sign another closer type to team with Dellin Betances, they could have a formidable back-end pen. Particularly if recently obtained Justin Wilson and last year’s top pick, Jacob Lindgren, can give the Yankees high-end lefty pen work.
The Yankees outperformed their run differential in each of the past two seasons, to some large degree because of how well manager Joe Girardi and pitching coach Larry Rothschild maneuvered relievers to their strengths. The Yankees’ 100-67 record in 2013-14 in games decided by two or fewer runs was by far the majors’ best.
A pen with Miller, Robertson and Betances would be better than what the club had the last two seasons.
It would support a rotation with tons of questions and then if, say, Masahiro Tanaka, Michael Pineda, CC Sabathia and Ivan Nova did not succumb to worrisome health concerns, the Yankees would have a strong rotation and pen. And/or if Carlos Beltran, Jacoby Ellsbury and Brian McCann perform better in Yankees Year 2, then the team’s lineup also would be stronger.
Obviously, there are a lot of ifs here and that usually bodes poorly. But, at the least, the pen almost certainly would be a strength with a chance for other areas to fall positively, providing a road map to contention.
Still, it will be difficult to build that pen. The Yankees tolerance for Miller or Robertson seems to be three years in the $30 million to $39 million range. Both players are striving for four-year pacts in the area of Jonathan Papelbon’s $52 million deal. The Yankees are currently saying they will not go to that level. So if the Astros, Dodgers, Cubs, Rangers, Red Sox or any other organization interested in one or the other differentiates itself by going to four years that franchise likely will get the relievers. If not and the Yankees are willing to make a fourth-year option that triggers, then maybe they win.
Would they sign both relievers? Perhaps. But if they do, I wonder if that taps out their budget and they have to shut down multi-year pursuits of players such as Brandon McCarthy and Chase Headley and rely on either one-year options or internal alternatives for rotation depth and either second or third base.
Perhaps, the Yankees would be willing to ink just Miller and have a lefty-righty dynamic duo with Betances that could get three-to-six outs from the sixth inning on a few times a week, and then sign a traditional closer who will cost considerably less than Robertson, such as Jason Grilli or Sergio Romo. I do think the Yankees would like to be more aggressive with their pen — not have hard-and-fast sixth-, seventh- and eighth-inning roles and, instead, attack winnable games with their best relievers as often and for as many outs that are reasonable without courting injury.
Could you make a case that even if Miller and Robertson cost a combined $80 million to $90 million on three- or four-year deals that they would impact at least as many games — if not more — than, say, Scherzer on a pact that would be double that or more and a riskier seven or eight years?
This is where, I believe, the Yankees thinking is now: Trying to enhance a long-shot title quest by following a Royals path without overly exposing themselves to long-term risk.
If the Yankees refuse to go after Scherzer or Lester.. This is by far the smartest move they could make.
So what if you have to pay 4 years at top dollar for Robertson & Miller. Dellin Betances, Adam Warren & Jacob Lindgren will be pre-arbitration and arbitration in that entire span. You wouldn't have to commit any more money to it. After 4 years, you then can go a different route. But if you're not going to try to get a top starter, you need to invest in the bullpen.
As many guys as Dellin K'd with nasty stuff, Robertson K'd just as many per 9. Lindgren is a strikeout machine.
There could be games Yankees could lead after 5, turn to the bullpen and it would be lights out.
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Yeah if you spend like a tard it won't. But when your that one piece away from playoffs. It's a lot harder when your small market
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nice pick getting saunders, if we lose melky i dont think its a big deal if we can find a platoon partner for him.
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Saunders will be good for the 50 games he plays
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And will still be worth more value than J.A. Happ in his 30 games
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If you're one piece away you could indulge and make a splash, no? It's only one piece after all.
Yankees getting back to their roots with this bullpen stuff. That late 90s dynasty had a great pen.
Yankees getting back to their roots with this bullpen stuff. That late 90s dynasty had a great pen.
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Sad, but not sad to see Nick go.
Braves are absolutely INSANE to give him that kind of $, but I think we all knew Markakis was gonna rake in the cash during this shallow FA market.
O's had to stand pat, because as we've seen with guys like Melvin Mora and Brian Roberts, giving guys long-term deals for crazy bread due to "loyalty" NEVER works out.
I do with Nick the best because he's a good pro, but his best days are well behind him.
That being said, O's have some $ to spend and need to figure out how to replace two important pieces in their lineup. Gonna be interesting to see what DD does.
Braves are absolutely INSANE to give him that kind of $, but I think we all knew Markakis was gonna rake in the cash during this shallow FA market.
O's had to stand pat, because as we've seen with guys like Melvin Mora and Brian Roberts, giving guys long-term deals for crazy bread due to "loyalty" NEVER works out.
I do with Nick the best because he's a good pro, but his best days are well behind him.
That being said, O's have some $ to spend and need to figure out how to replace two important pieces in their lineup. Gonna be interesting to see what DD does.
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Danny Espinosa can't be the Nats starting 2B in 2015. He just can't be. Go get Howie Kendrick.
jumpmanfromdabay
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I have no idea who's going to be 3rd Basemen for Giants in 2015 
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jumpmanfromdabay
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Nope. He's more valuable behind the plate
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Don't y'all have a talented young catcher or two waiting in the wings?
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