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I wouldn't be proud of being really good at taking and making tough shots though.

When you lose the athleticism to pull that off, then you just start sucking

Exhibit: Kobe in 2016
 


no mentally stable human being that understands the game of basketball should be taking let alone making shots like this 

twice in one game 
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I wouldn't be proud of being really good at taking and making tough shots though.

When you lose the athleticism to pull that off, then you just start sucking

Exhibit: Kobe in 2016
who cares about what he looks like now?

he played at a super high level for 14 years, thats longer than most players play at any level 

MJ played 15 seasons total. 

lakers fans have witnessed more championships in the past 20 years than any other non spurs fan and a lot of it has to do with kobe. do you really think we care about how he's sucking in 2016?

plus the same entertaining recklessness that got us championships is now getting us draft picks 
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I wouldn't be proud of being really good at taking and making tough shots though.

When you lose the athleticism to pull that off, then you just start sucking

Exhibit: Kobe in 2016

No I agree. But that's what makes kobe kobe. That's his mystique and why you can't bring up stats when talking to a kobe fan. He didn't give a damn about stats, he was a thrill seeker, a daredevil. If he wanted he could've been just as efficient as anyone but he's not wired that way.

no mentally stable human being that understands the game of basketball should be taking let alone making shots like this 

twice in one game :x

Yup. That's the essence of kobe. I think it was the rudy t season when he hit this running jumper from behind and over the top of the backboard that was nuts. But he had tried that shot like 2 or 3 times in different games before finally making it :lol. Just a different type of player
 
MJ knew how to make his shot attempts easier for himself

When Kobe was at his best, he was just really good at taking and making tough shots

Yep

Some people are confusing being a better tough shot maker with being a better scorer.

Im still trying to figure out how Kobe was a better scorer. Is it because he scored 81 points?
 
Not really sure how much Kobe now really makes a difference.

He's not only old which automatically tanks efficiency of wing players. But you factor in a torn Achilles, broken knee cap, and separate shoulder which is still bothering him.

He was playing at an elite level up until his Achilles injury. That was his 17th season.

What is now, it really makes no difference to how great he was.
 
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you guys can get hard over looking at %s on a statsheet

i'll enjoy these moments of basketball greatness 
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this is the exact same reason why steph is so fun to watch, no one should be taking the shots he does 
 
How is the ability to make ANY shot a detriment though? Taking stupid shots is bad. But, there's something to be said for a guy that will make shots no matter how great the defense is. In any case, there's NO need to knock greatness. At the end of the day, Kobe wasn't as efficient on both sides. That's it. Both were chuckers. Both were absolute killers. That's not good enough for y'all?
 
Dudes knocking Kobe because he had the ability to take bad shots and actually make them :lol such goobers man
 
If taking terrible shots and making them every once in a while is what you guys like, just watch a Clipper game. Jamal is a Hall of Famer.
 
I wouldn't be proud of being really good at taking and making tough shots though.


When you lose the athleticism to pull that off, then you just start sucking


Exhibit: Kobe in 2016
who cares about what he looks like now?

he played at a super high level for 14 years, thats longer than most players play at any level 

MJ played 15 seasons total. 

lakers fans have witnessed more championships in the past 20 years than any other non spurs fan and a lot of it has to do with kobe. do you really think we care about how he's sucking in 2016?

plus the same entertaining recklessness that got us championships is now getting us draft picks :hat

Naw, I get that.

My post was more touching on the MJ and Kobe scoring comparisons

Just because someone had great degree of difficulty on shots made does not make him a better scorer

Some NTer a few posts up from me took the words right out of my mouth lol
 
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you guys can get hard over looking at %s on a statsheet

i'll get hard enjoying these moments of basketball greatness 
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this is the exact same reason why steph is so fun to watch, no one should be taking the shots he does 

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I’ve done this before, but just re-going thru it all on paper one more time.

We all know his total numbers at this point, all legendary, but some of them are skewed a tad, because of being a teenager, and of course these late years with injuries and what not.

But from 1999 thru 2013 when that Achilles popped, 15 years total, he was a MONSTER. And possibly shows why being ranked #12 by ESPN is a little lite.

As a starter, 1,089 games in 15 years, he went for

29,858 points (27.4)
6,201 rebounds (5.7)
5,597 assists (5.1)
1,705 steals (1.6)
556 blocks (.5)

On 46%/36%/84%

Not quite 50/40/90 but for a “chucker” that averaged 5 boards, 5 dimes, and played All NBA defense to boot, a few percentage points short of 50/40/90 isn’t too shabby.

Among that, the 81, 62 in 3 quarters, 56 in 3 quarters, 4 total 60 point games, 24 50 point games, 120 40 point games, and over 400 30 point games, with 169 double doubles, and 19 triple doubles, as well as an NBA record 12 3 pointer game to boot. And countless game winners.

His peak season came at age 24 when he went nuclear on the NBA 30 points, 7 boards, 6 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 45/38/84 with career highs in games, steals, blocks, rebounds, and assists. :lol

Not to mention, he did all this fighting thru a broken hand, shoulder, knee, court cases, ankle, finger, wrist, pinkie, and then eventually the Achilles. He missed 93 games in 15 years, some of them were rest, some suspension, and then a few due to injury.

He also lost some from NBA lockouts, 32 games in 1999, and 16 games in 2012. But I didn’t count those as missed games, because they were never played by anybody. Moreso the point is, HAD he played those games, at the pace he did, his numbers would be even filthier than they are now.

In total, with lockouts, rest, injury, suspensions, he missed out on a total of 141 possible games those 15 years. That’s almost 2 full seasons. ON TOP of what he did. At the averages he had, he could have been lookin at somewhere around 34K points, 7K rebounds, 6,600 dimes, 1900 steals, 650 blocks, and over 1,700 three pointers. (note, he eventually gets to all these numbers, but does so with more games at his earliest and oldest ages, weakening his per game averages.)

BTW, this is all just regular season. His playoff totals and numbers are nearly identical. I haven’t sat down and done all the math yet, but same point 1999-2012, his numbers are GAUDY. And improved without all those playoff games where he played 6 minutes as a teenager and destroyed his per game averages. :lol

And those 15 years, Lakers went to the Finals 7 times. Kobe played under Rambis, Phil, Rudy, Phil, Brown, MDA. With Shaq era, with Smush/Kwame/Luke era, with Pau era and his final year with Dwight/Nash/Pau in and out of the lineup era. Multiple coaches, multiple injuries, multiple cores, look at the steady work that man did. For 15 seasons. Age 20-34.
It’s funny, 20 years, 2 jerseys, 10 years #8, 10 years #24, each one have similar numbers/splits for each. Regular season, playoffs, all his numbers fairly similar. Road game in Minnesota in November, or home game at the end of May, young or old, the guy gave you 25-5-5 every single night, across almost 1,700 NBA games. With various ailments, teammates, or coaches. He played every game, hard as he could go that night, and produced damn near identical numbers, no matter the opponent or situation. His two teenager years, and these last couple injury/retirement years the only exceptions.

Does anyone realize that in the history of the NBA, the entire history of the league, nobody has a 15 year stretch that matches this? 8o

Just saying, no reason to diminish what the man actually did
 
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