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[offset pow clow]

If those stats paint a picture where Harden is as much of a team player than LeBron James then we can leave it there.

I've seen other folks on here post stats that show Carmelo Anthony isn't a black hole either.

What makes melo a black hole?

Im convinced you dont watch these dudes play, just going off the same cliche statements others say about him

Cant be a top 10 player but be considered a black hole, it doesnt make sense

 

[HIM]

^^^ How can someone say Harden doesn't pass when he averaged more than 6 assists from the 2 guard position?

You really want to judge a player's passing by assist numbers. You're one of those guys?

Harden averaged more passes per game than any other SG in the NBA last season. The only SF's that averaged more passes were LeBron and Batum.

Edit. Nevermind, I see someone already brought up that point.

So you judge a player by how you feel about them, regardless of what statistics say? You're one of those guys?

 

[addict4sneakers]

Minus the skip pass, harden can make every pass lebron can

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

What makes melo a black hole?

Im convinced you dont watch these dudes play, just going off the same cliche statements others say about him

Cant be a top 10 player but be considered a black hole, it doesnt make sense

AI and Kobe were black holes and are two HOF players. You can definitely be a black hole and still be top 10 players, just like Harden and Anthony are currently.

But you're right, I don't watch either of these dudes play I just use cliche statements

 

[offset pow clow]

Yeah the best player in the league and two Starz. One of which is the perfect compliment to his style. Excellent role players that can hit the three, d up, and rebound

TRASH

He didnt say nothing about them being trash

But they're not "stacked"

Which a bunch of clowns are gonna be saying the whole season, just to add more pressure & put higher expectations on the team

 

[finallyfamous]

Clowns?

Please elaborate.

 

[offset pow clow]

AI and Kobe were black holes and are two HOF players. You can definitely be a black hole and still be top 10 players, just like Harden and Anthony are currently.

But you're right, I don't watch either of these dudes play I just use cliche statements

Two hof players that lead there teams to the finals are black holes?

Im down with your clown ***

 

[siete tres]

You really want to judge a player's passing by assist numbers. You're one of those guys?

Word. He's one of those guys who proves his points with actual indisputable facts? Hate those guys......

 

[NickFolarin]

By definition, what is a black hole, in basketball terms?

 

[pums]

This black hole thing is getting out of line the year the Knicks won 54 games nobody was calling him a black hole cause they were winning and his teammates were producing around him now that's his team is playing like crap you wanna call him a black hole cause he is shooting more

 

[offset pow clow]

1 superstar

2 stars with no playoff experience

Yeah favorites out the east put the stamp on it

 

[siete tres]

By definition, what is a black hole, in basketball terms?

LeBron's mom

 

[trueprada]

Shawn Marion has made over $130 million playing in the NBA...smart choice to chase after another ring.

 

[mjsaver]

If the Cavs aren't stacked we gotta change the definition

Best player in the league with a top 3 PF , top ten PG, and a competent 6 man, along with the greatest shooter ever isn't stacked ?

If they're not stacked no team has ever been stacked ever

Stop trying to lessen the blow if they lose

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Harden averaged more passes per game than any other SG in the NBA last season. The only SF's that averaged more passes were LeBron and Batum.

Edit. Nevermind, I see someone already brought up that point.

So you judge a player by how you feel about them, regardless of what statistics say? You're one of those guys?

I like to use a combo of the two. Stats can be really deceiving, and opinions can be biased.

Harden is the epitome of ISO right now, only rivaled by Melo.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Two hof players that lead there teams to the finals are black holes?

Im down with your clown ***

You gotta stop taking things so personal

I never called you names, b

 

[NickFolarin]

TBH, I'm tired of hearing about the Knicks 54 win season. That was proven to be an outlier.

 

[pmatic]

ESPN did an article on ball hogs and black holes at the beginning of last season (like late November); the author defined being a blackhole as "Lowest rate of passes per shot attempt". Klay Thompson, Eric Gordon, Nick Young, Marcus Thornton and Rudy Gay were top five.

 

[firstclass]

He didnt say nothing about them being trash

But they're not "stacked"

Which a bunch of clowns are gonna be saying the whole season, just to add more pressure & put higher expectations on the team

I root for the cavs, But I'm being realistic about them.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

ESPN did an article on ball hogs and black holes at the beginning of last season (like late November); the author defined being a blackhole as "Lowest rate of passes per shot attempt". Klay Thompson, Eric Gordon, Nick Young, Marcus Thornton and Rudy Gay were top five.

I would like to see this revisited to end last season

Passes can be misleading due to the system each player is in, and who their teammates are

 

[offset pow clow]

If the Cavs aren't stacked we gotta change the definition

Best player in the league with a top 3 PF , top ten PG, and a competent 6 man, along with the greatest shooter ever isn't stacked ?

If they're not stacked no team has ever been stacked ever

Stop trying to lessen the blow if they lose

What does the greatest shooter ever mean if hes a shell of himself?

You giving ray allen props for what he did not what hes capable of doing now

Last year houston had the best sg, top 3 center & top 10 sf & was never considered "stacked"

I guess stacked comes with the territory when it comes to lebron

 

[mister friendly]

Kobe isnt a black hole type player any more, he was top 20 in assists in 2013

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Passes could be misleading but Melo is a blackhole because he doesn't pass the ball?

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Passes could be misleading but Melo is a blackhole because he doesn't pass the ball?

He's a black hole due to a combo of things: he's always had that ISO approach his entire professional career if not longer, his coaching enables it and his teammates at times haven't been up to par. So him being a black hole has its reasons but IMO he and Harden are the ISO kings right now.

 

[Bert.]

Shawn Marion has reached an agreement with the Cavs. (ESPN)