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The Roy Hibbert Rule good luck homie 
National Basketball Association
TO: NBA OWNERS / GENERAL MANAGERS / HEAD COACHES / OFFICIALS
FROM: MIKE BANTOM DATE: MARCH 31, 2014
RE: PLAYERS TURNING SIDEWAYS ON VERTICALITY PLAYS
_________________________________________________________
We want to make sure you are aware of the following topic we will be alerting referees to today.
We have noticed that defenders have been turning sideways when jumping to defend an oncoming offensive player on drives to the basket. This is illegal and referees are being instructed to call this a blocking foul. While we commonly discuss verticality in the context of secondary defenders inside the restricted area (see restricted area and verticality reminder further below), this change will apply to defenders turning sideways while in the air whether inside or outside the restricted area on drives.
Here are several examples of players turning sideways that will be deemed blocking fouls going forward:
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...Verticality_ME MO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...as_Verticality _MEMO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...Verticality_ME MO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec..._Verticality_P lay_MEMO
Here is a player making a slight turn when absorbing impact. This is considered vertical and legal:
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...erticality_MEM 0
The Restricted Area and Verticality:
On a block-charge type play, a secondary defensive player cannot be in a legal guarding position, even if stationary, inside the "Restricted Area" if the offensive player receives the ball outside the lower defensive box -- unless he jumps vertically in an attempt to defend the shot. Therefore, even if positioned inside the Restricted Area, a secondary defender does not commit a blocking foul if contact is made while he is jumping vertically in an attempt to defend. The defender must, however, establish legal guarding position prior to the start of the offensive player's upward motion.
To be considered vertical, a defender must:
1. Be in the air to defend the shot when contact occurs. If the player is on the ground inside the restricted area, with his arms “vertical” when contact occurs, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
2. Maintain a vertical trajectory by jumping straight up. If the player jumps toward or to the side of an oncoming player, he will be assessed a blocking foul. A player may, however, angle his jump backwards slightly in such a way as to absorb the impact of the oncoming player, and of course, he may land behind where he leapt from because of the force of the contact.
3. Maintain vertical alignment, with his body (arms, hands, torso, legs and feet) in a nearly straight line that is perpendicular to the floor. If a player leans his arms forward or “jack-knifes” his legs toward the oncoming offensive player, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
4. A player may not turn sideways (as discussed above). If he does, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
National Basketball Association
TO: NBA OWNERS / GENERAL MANAGERS / HEAD COACHES / OFFICIALS
FROM: MIKE BANTOM DATE: MARCH 31, 2014
RE: PLAYERS TURNING SIDEWAYS ON VERTICALITY PLAYS
_________________________________________________________
We want to make sure you are aware of the following topic we will be alerting referees to today.
We have noticed that defenders have been turning sideways when jumping to defend an oncoming offensive player on drives to the basket. This is illegal and referees are being instructed to call this a blocking foul. While we commonly discuss verticality in the context of secondary defenders inside the restricted area (see restricted area and verticality reminder further below), this change will apply to defenders turning sideways while in the air whether inside or outside the restricted area on drives.
Here are several examples of players turning sideways that will be deemed blocking fouls going forward:
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...Verticality_ME MO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...as_Verticality _MEMO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...Verticality_ME MO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec..._Verticality_P lay_MEMO
Here is a player making a slight turn when absorbing impact. This is considered vertical and legal:
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...erticality_MEM 0
The Restricted Area and Verticality:
On a block-charge type play, a secondary defensive player cannot be in a legal guarding position, even if stationary, inside the "Restricted Area" if the offensive player receives the ball outside the lower defensive box -- unless he jumps vertically in an attempt to defend the shot. Therefore, even if positioned inside the Restricted Area, a secondary defender does not commit a blocking foul if contact is made while he is jumping vertically in an attempt to defend. The defender must, however, establish legal guarding position prior to the start of the offensive player's upward motion.
To be considered vertical, a defender must:
1. Be in the air to defend the shot when contact occurs. If the player is on the ground inside the restricted area, with his arms “vertical” when contact occurs, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
2. Maintain a vertical trajectory by jumping straight up. If the player jumps toward or to the side of an oncoming player, he will be assessed a blocking foul. A player may, however, angle his jump backwards slightly in such a way as to absorb the impact of the oncoming player, and of course, he may land behind where he leapt from because of the force of the contact.
3. Maintain vertical alignment, with his body (arms, hands, torso, legs and feet) in a nearly straight line that is perpendicular to the floor. If a player leans his arms forward or “jack-knifes” his legs toward the oncoming offensive player, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
4. A player may not turn sideways (as discussed above). If he does, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
mr marcus
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the same guy that posed in a photo pulling his eyes back to imitate an asian?
wasn't racist either but I'm always here for Spain slander
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the nba needs to adjust that rule. defenders rather slide and take a charge rather than go up for the block shot. i'd rather let the defender have more freedom to block a shot. whether it be allow them more contact or even bringing the hands down slightly. the offensive player is basically coming at you full speed, there's really no way to go up straight and have a "clean" defense. a guy like melo and lebron are fouled every play when coming at full speed. james harden is gonna create all the contact. how are you suppose to even defend it?
i remember jvg saying something like that about how defenders rather take charges than contest a shot at the top
i remember jvg saying something like that about how defenders rather take charges than contest a shot at the top
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yup
That's why you were mostly on the bench this season Omer
You know what they say, if you can't shoot free throws, you ain't getting playing time in the NBA
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yup.. pick was only top 3 or 5 protected because they only liked 3 or 5 players in the draft
Is 2013-14 worst rookie class ever?
If this year's NBA rookie class still were in school, it would have to repeat the grade. From top overall pick Anthony Bennett on down, it's been a rough season for this year's rookies -- so rough that, collectively, they've rated worse than replacement level as a group. That's not quite unprecedented, but it's close.
Worst rookie class ever? Not quite
The saving grace for this year's rookies is the 2000 draft, once described by FreeDarko as leaving "a legacy of ruin and evil." That draft, which included busts Marcus Fizer, Darius Miles and Stromile Swift in the top five, produced at a rate 17.3 wins worse than replacement level by my wins above replacement player (WARP) metric as rookies -- a mark that's unlikely to ever be topped.
The 1990 draft (3.7 WARP as rookies) and 2007 draft (2.
also were relatively weak, though they'd eventually yield superstars Gary Payton and Kevin Durant, respectively. But the 2000 draft had been the only rookie class since the ABA-NBA merger to leave the league worse off than if no rookies had played at all -- until now.
With two weeks to play, there's still an outside chance this year's rookies can get out of the negatives. For now, their minus-3.3 combined WARP is the second-worst mark in modern NBA history.
View media item 894151
But be careful before using this year's class as evidence that the one-and-done rule isn't working and today's rookies aren't ready for the NBA. There's no clear downward trend in overall rookie performance. The deep 2008-09 crop actually produced more WARP than any rookie campaign since the merger.
Many culprits
Most of the early attention focused on Bennett's slow start, and understandably so. He's just the fourth No. 1 pick since the merger to post negative WARP during his rookie season (minus-1.5), joining Kwame Brown (minus-0.6), Pervis Ellison (minus-0.3) and Michael Olowokandi (minus-1.5).
Because of his limited playing time, however, Bennett isn't last among rookies in WARP. That dubious honor belongs to Ben McLemore of the Sacramento Kings, whose minus-2.7 WARP ranks lowest among all players.
Lottery WARP
1 Anthony Bennett -1.5
2 Victor Oladipo 1.9
3 Otto Porter -0.9
4 Cody Zeller 0.3
5 Alex Len -0.6
6 Nerlens Noel -
7 Ben McLemore -2.7
8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope -1.0
9 Trey Burke 0.9
10 C.J. McCollum -0.6
11 Michael Carter-Williams 2.7
12 Steven Adams 0.2
13 Kelly Olynyk 1.7
14 Shabazz Muhammad -0.3
Bennett and McLemore have plenty of company. Of the 13 lottery picks who have seen action -- No. 6 selection Nerlens Noel has yet to return from ACL surgery -- seven have performed at sub-replacement level. Just two, Michael Carter-Williams of the Philadelphia 76ers (2.7) and Kelly Olynyk of the Boston Celtics (1.7) have rated more than a win better than replacement.
It's no surprise that this year's rookie class is lacking in top-end talent. That criticism of the draft pool was backed up by the numbers, and the absence of a clear No. 1 pick allowed the Cleveland Cavaliers to surprise everyone by taking Bennett first overall. At the same time, this appeared to be a relatively deep group of rookies, and that hasn't panned out.
Injuries are one possible explanation. Beyond Noel, three of the top five picks (Bennett, Alex Len of the Phoenix Suns and Otto Porter of the Washington Wizards) missed either summer league or training camp due to injury. So too did No. 10 pick C.J. McCollum. Having lost out on important development time to help them make the adjustment to the NBA, those players have been behind all season, and none of the four have played more than 1,000 minutes. Making matters worse for Bennett, a strained patella tendon knocked him out of action just as he was starting to get comfortable.
The good news for Bennett and the other slow starters is that it's certainly possible to overcome a poor rookie campaign. While the 2000 draft never got on track, the 2007 draft offers a more encouraging comparison. Before this season, the 2007-08 rookie class was the second-worst on record, and it would have combined for negative WARP if not for the contributions of 27-year-old D-League veteran Jamario Moon. Yet, it eventually produced All-Stars Al Horford and Joakim Noah, valuable starters like Mike Conley and Thaddeus Young -- and, of course, likely 2013-14 MVP Durant.
Rookie of the Year race
So out of this weak class, who should win Rookie of the Year honors? Because the players who have seen the most action (Carter-Williams, Victor Oladipo of the Orlando Magic and Trey Burke of the Utah Jazz) have been inefficient offensively, the numbers agree on an unheralded candidate -- Miles Plumlee of the Brooklyn Nets, who is tops in WARP (2., Win Shares (3.5) and PER (17.9).
Mason Plumlee
Ed Mulholland/USA TODAY Sports
Mason Plumlee might not have Michael Carter-Williams' numbers, but he is contributing to a winning team.
In practice, Plumlee is unlikely to win because of his limited role most of the year and pedestrian per-game averages (6.7 points and 4.1 rebounds). Of the last 26 Rookie of the Year awards, 25 have gone to the player with the highest combined averages in points, rebounds and assists per game. (The one exception? Amar'e Stoudemire over Yao Ming in 2003.) That history favors Carter-Williams, who leads all rookies in points (16.1), assists (6.3) and rebounds (6.1) per game, not to mention steals.
But while Carter-Williams is putting up numbers on the lowly 76ers, Plumlee is contributing to a playoff team. Brooklyn has gone 14-5 with Plumlee starting in place of the injured Kevin Garnett, and the Nets have been as effective overall with Plumlee in the middle as Garnett. Their defense suffers, but Plumlee's ability to finish at the rim makes them more potent offensively.
Along with Steven Adams of the Oklahoma City Thunder, European veteran Nick Calathes of the Memphis Grizzlies, Cody Zeller of the Charlotte Bobcats and perhaps New York Knicks guard Tim Hardaway Jr., Plumlee is one of a handful of rookies who will play regular roles in the playoffs. If they can provide solid minutes, they might be able to provide a more satisfying conclusion to a rough year for rookies.
Worst rookie class ever? Not quite
The saving grace for this year's rookies is the 2000 draft, once described by FreeDarko as leaving "a legacy of ruin and evil." That draft, which included busts Marcus Fizer, Darius Miles and Stromile Swift in the top five, produced at a rate 17.3 wins worse than replacement level by my wins above replacement player (WARP) metric as rookies -- a mark that's unlikely to ever be topped.
The 1990 draft (3.7 WARP as rookies) and 2007 draft (2.
also were relatively weak, though they'd eventually yield superstars Gary Payton and Kevin Durant, respectively. But the 2000 draft had been the only rookie class since the ABA-NBA merger to leave the league worse off than if no rookies had played at all -- until now.With two weeks to play, there's still an outside chance this year's rookies can get out of the negatives. For now, their minus-3.3 combined WARP is the second-worst mark in modern NBA history.
View media item 894151
But be careful before using this year's class as evidence that the one-and-done rule isn't working and today's rookies aren't ready for the NBA. There's no clear downward trend in overall rookie performance. The deep 2008-09 crop actually produced more WARP than any rookie campaign since the merger.
Many culprits
Most of the early attention focused on Bennett's slow start, and understandably so. He's just the fourth No. 1 pick since the merger to post negative WARP during his rookie season (minus-1.5), joining Kwame Brown (minus-0.6), Pervis Ellison (minus-0.3) and Michael Olowokandi (minus-1.5).
Because of his limited playing time, however, Bennett isn't last among rookies in WARP. That dubious honor belongs to Ben McLemore of the Sacramento Kings, whose minus-2.7 WARP ranks lowest among all players.
Lottery WARP
1 Anthony Bennett -1.5
2 Victor Oladipo 1.9
3 Otto Porter -0.9
4 Cody Zeller 0.3
5 Alex Len -0.6
6 Nerlens Noel -
7 Ben McLemore -2.7
8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope -1.0
9 Trey Burke 0.9
10 C.J. McCollum -0.6
11 Michael Carter-Williams 2.7
12 Steven Adams 0.2
13 Kelly Olynyk 1.7
14 Shabazz Muhammad -0.3
Bennett and McLemore have plenty of company. Of the 13 lottery picks who have seen action -- No. 6 selection Nerlens Noel has yet to return from ACL surgery -- seven have performed at sub-replacement level. Just two, Michael Carter-Williams of the Philadelphia 76ers (2.7) and Kelly Olynyk of the Boston Celtics (1.7) have rated more than a win better than replacement.
It's no surprise that this year's rookie class is lacking in top-end talent. That criticism of the draft pool was backed up by the numbers, and the absence of a clear No. 1 pick allowed the Cleveland Cavaliers to surprise everyone by taking Bennett first overall. At the same time, this appeared to be a relatively deep group of rookies, and that hasn't panned out.
Injuries are one possible explanation. Beyond Noel, three of the top five picks (Bennett, Alex Len of the Phoenix Suns and Otto Porter of the Washington Wizards) missed either summer league or training camp due to injury. So too did No. 10 pick C.J. McCollum. Having lost out on important development time to help them make the adjustment to the NBA, those players have been behind all season, and none of the four have played more than 1,000 minutes. Making matters worse for Bennett, a strained patella tendon knocked him out of action just as he was starting to get comfortable.
The good news for Bennett and the other slow starters is that it's certainly possible to overcome a poor rookie campaign. While the 2000 draft never got on track, the 2007 draft offers a more encouraging comparison. Before this season, the 2007-08 rookie class was the second-worst on record, and it would have combined for negative WARP if not for the contributions of 27-year-old D-League veteran Jamario Moon. Yet, it eventually produced All-Stars Al Horford and Joakim Noah, valuable starters like Mike Conley and Thaddeus Young -- and, of course, likely 2013-14 MVP Durant.
Rookie of the Year race
So out of this weak class, who should win Rookie of the Year honors? Because the players who have seen the most action (Carter-Williams, Victor Oladipo of the Orlando Magic and Trey Burke of the Utah Jazz) have been inefficient offensively, the numbers agree on an unheralded candidate -- Miles Plumlee of the Brooklyn Nets, who is tops in WARP (2.
, Win Shares (3.5) and PER (17.9).Mason Plumlee
Ed Mulholland/USA TODAY Sports
Mason Plumlee might not have Michael Carter-Williams' numbers, but he is contributing to a winning team.
In practice, Plumlee is unlikely to win because of his limited role most of the year and pedestrian per-game averages (6.7 points and 4.1 rebounds). Of the last 26 Rookie of the Year awards, 25 have gone to the player with the highest combined averages in points, rebounds and assists per game. (The one exception? Amar'e Stoudemire over Yao Ming in 2003.) That history favors Carter-Williams, who leads all rookies in points (16.1), assists (6.3) and rebounds (6.1) per game, not to mention steals.
But while Carter-Williams is putting up numbers on the lowly 76ers, Plumlee is contributing to a playoff team. Brooklyn has gone 14-5 with Plumlee starting in place of the injured Kevin Garnett, and the Nets have been as effective overall with Plumlee in the middle as Garnett. Their defense suffers, but Plumlee's ability to finish at the rim makes them more potent offensively.
Along with Steven Adams of the Oklahoma City Thunder, European veteran Nick Calathes of the Memphis Grizzlies, Cody Zeller of the Charlotte Bobcats and perhaps New York Knicks guard Tim Hardaway Jr., Plumlee is one of a handful of rookies who will play regular roles in the playoffs. If they can provide solid minutes, they might be able to provide a more satisfying conclusion to a rough year for rookies.
First round exits galore.
Hell, give them
Dame
Roy
Durant
LMA
Oden
MJ
Pippen
LeBron
Stockton
Bird
Barkley
and Dr J
all in their primes together, 4 seed, 1 and done. Yearly.
It's their DNA
do work son
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*patiently awaits chesters rebuttal*
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Interesting logic.....
He ain't gonna do nothin but agree with me.
They have like 57 straight 1 and done's or something like that, not really all that much of a reach on my part.
antidope
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The video links dont work.The Roy Hibbert Rule good luck homie
National Basketball Association
TO: NBA OWNERS / GENERAL MANAGERS / HEAD COACHES / OFFICIALS
FROM: MIKE BANTOM DATE: MARCH 31, 2014
RE: PLAYERS TURNING SIDEWAYS ON VERTICALITY PLAYS
_________________________________________________________
We want to make sure you are aware of the following topic we will be alerting referees to today.
We have noticed that defenders have been turning sideways when jumping to defend an oncoming offensive player on drives to the basket. This is illegal and referees are being instructed to call this a blocking foul. While we commonly discuss verticality in the context of secondary defenders inside the restricted area (see restricted area and verticality reminder further below), this change will apply to defenders turning sideways while in the air whether inside or outside the restricted area on drives.
Here are several examples of players turning sideways that will be deemed blocking fouls going forward:
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...Verticality_ME MO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...as_Verticality _MEMO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...Verticality_ME MO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec..._Verticality_P lay_MEMO
Here is a player making a slight turn when absorbing impact. This is considered vertical and legal:
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...erticality_MEM 0
The Restricted Area and Verticality:
On a block-charge type play, a secondary defensive player cannot be in a legal guarding position, even if stationary, inside the "Restricted Area" if the offensive player receives the ball outside the lower defensive box -- unless he jumps vertically in an attempt to defend the shot. Therefore, even if positioned inside the Restricted Area, a secondary defender does not commit a blocking foul if contact is made while he is jumping vertically in an attempt to defend. The defender must, however, establish legal guarding position prior to the start of the offensive player's upward motion.
To be considered vertical, a defender must:
1. Be in the air to defend the shot when contact occurs. If the player is on the ground inside the restricted area, with his arms “vertical” when contact occurs, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
2. Maintain a vertical trajectory by jumping straight up. If the player jumps toward or to the side of an oncoming player, he will be assessed a blocking foul. A player may, however, angle his jump backwards slightly in such a way as to absorb the impact of the oncoming player, and of course, he may land behind where he leapt from because of the force of the contact.
3. Maintain vertical alignment, with his body (arms, hands, torso, legs and feet) in a nearly straight line that is perpendicular to the floor. If a player leans his arms forward or “jack-knifes” his legs toward the oncoming offensive player, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
4. A player may not turn sideways (as discussed above). If he does, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
Mid season rule change though. People wont be happy.
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25-49 speaks for itself.
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The video links dont work.The Roy Hibbert Rule good luck homie
National Basketball Association
TO: NBA OWNERS / GENERAL MANAGERS / HEAD COACHES / OFFICIALS
FROM: MIKE BANTOM DATE: MARCH 31, 2014
RE: PLAYERS TURNING SIDEWAYS ON VERTICALITY PLAYS
_________________________________________________________
We want to make sure you are aware of the following topic we will be alerting referees to today.
We have noticed that defenders have been turning sideways when jumping to defend an oncoming offensive player on drives to the basket. This is illegal and referees are being instructed to call this a blocking foul. While we commonly discuss verticality in the context of secondary defenders inside the restricted area (see restricted area and verticality reminder further below), this change will apply to defenders turning sideways while in the air whether inside or outside the restricted area on drives.
Here are several examples of players turning sideways that will be deemed blocking fouls going forward:
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...Verticality_ME MO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...as_Verticality _MEMO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...Verticality_ME MO
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec..._Verticality_P lay_MEMO
Here is a player making a slight turn when absorbing impact. This is considered vertical and legal:
http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...erticality_MEM 0
The Restricted Area and Verticality:
On a block-charge type play, a secondary defensive player cannot be in a legal guarding position, even if stationary, inside the "Restricted Area" if the offensive player receives the ball outside the lower defensive box -- unless he jumps vertically in an attempt to defend the shot. Therefore, even if positioned inside the Restricted Area, a secondary defender does not commit a blocking foul if contact is made while he is jumping vertically in an attempt to defend. The defender must, however, establish legal guarding position prior to the start of the offensive player's upward motion.
To be considered vertical, a defender must:
1. Be in the air to defend the shot when contact occurs. If the player is on the ground inside the restricted area, with his arms “vertical” when contact occurs, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
2. Maintain a vertical trajectory by jumping straight up. If the player jumps toward or to the side of an oncoming player, he will be assessed a blocking foul. A player may, however, angle his jump backwards slightly in such a way as to absorb the impact of the oncoming player, and of course, he may land behind where he leapt from because of the force of the contact.
3. Maintain vertical alignment, with his body (arms, hands, torso, legs and feet) in a nearly straight line that is perpendicular to the floor. If a player leans his arms forward or “jack-knifes” his legs toward the oncoming offensive player, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
4. A player may not turn sideways (as discussed above). If he does, he will be assessed a blocking foul.
Mid season rule change though. People wont be happy.
Damn Let me try this again
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Is 2013-14 worst rookie class ever?
If this year's NBA rookie class still were in school, it would have to repeat the grade. From top overall pick Anthony Bennett on down, it's been a rough season for this year's rookies -- so rough that, collectively, they've rated worse than replacement level as a group. That's not quite unprecedented, but it's close.
Worst rookie class ever? Not quite
The saving grace for this year's rookies is the 2000 draft, once described by FreeDarko as leaving "a legacy of ruin and evil." That draft, which included busts Marcus Fizer, Darius Miles and Stromile Swift in the top five, produced at a rate 17.3 wins worse than replacement level by my wins above replacement player (WARP) metric as rookies -- a mark that's unlikely to ever be topped.
The 1990 draft (3.7 WARP as rookies) and 2007 draft (2.
With two weeks to play, there's still an outside chance this year's rookies can get out of the negatives. For now, their minus-3.3 combined WARP is the second-worst mark in modern NBA history.
View media item 894151
But be careful before using this year's class as evidence that the one-and-done rule isn't working and today's rookies aren't ready for the NBA. There's no clear downward trend in overall rookie performance. The deep 2008-09 crop actually produced more WARP than any rookie campaign since the merger.
Many culprits
Most of the early attention focused on Bennett's slow start, and understandably so. He's just the fourth No. 1 pick since the merger to post negative WARP during his rookie season (minus-1.5), joining Kwame Brown (minus-0.6), Pervis Ellison (minus-0.3) and Michael Olowokandi (minus-1.5).
Because of his limited playing time, however, Bennett isn't last among rookies in WARP. That dubious honor belongs to Ben McLemore of the Sacramento Kings, whose minus-2.7 WARP ranks lowest among all players.
Lottery WARP
1 Anthony Bennett -1.5
2 Victor Oladipo 1.9
3 Otto Porter -0.9
4 Cody Zeller 0.3
5 Alex Len -0.6
6 Nerlens Noel -
7 Ben McLemore -2.7
8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope -1.0
9 Trey Burke 0.9
10 C.J. McCollum -0.6
11 Michael Carter-Williams 2.7
12 Steven Adams 0.2
13 Kelly Olynyk 1.7
14 Shabazz Muhammad -0.3
Bennett and McLemore have plenty of company. Of the 13 lottery picks who have seen action -- No. 6 selection Nerlens Noel has yet to return from ACL surgery -- seven have performed at sub-replacement level. Just two, Michael Carter-Williams of the Philadelphia 76ers (2.7) and Kelly Olynyk of the Boston Celtics (1.7) have rated more than a win better than replacement.
It's no surprise that this year's rookie class is lacking in top-end talent. That criticism of the draft pool was backed up by the numbers, and the absence of a clear No. 1 pick allowed the Cleveland Cavaliers to surprise everyone by taking Bennett first overall. At the same time, this appeared to be a relatively deep group of rookies, and that hasn't panned out.
Injuries are one possible explanation. Beyond Noel, three of the top five picks (Bennett, Alex Len of the Phoenix Suns and Otto Porter of the Washington Wizards) missed either summer league or training camp due to injury. So too did No. 10 pick C.J. McCollum. Having lost out on important development time to help them make the adjustment to the NBA, those players have been behind all season, and none of the four have played more than 1,000 minutes. Making matters worse for Bennett, a strained patella tendon knocked him out of action just as he was starting to get comfortable.
The good news for Bennett and the other slow starters is that it's certainly possible to overcome a poor rookie campaign. While the 2000 draft never got on track, the 2007 draft offers a more encouraging comparison. Before this season, the 2007-08 rookie class was the second-worst on record, and it would have combined for negative WARP if not for the contributions of 27-year-old D-League veteran Jamario Moon. Yet, it eventually produced All-Stars Al Horford and Joakim Noah, valuable starters like Mike Conley and Thaddeus Young -- and, of course, likely 2013-14 MVP Durant.
Rookie of the Year race
So out of this weak class, who should win Rookie of the Year honors? Because the players who have seen the most action (Carter-Williams, Victor Oladipo of the Orlando Magic and Trey Burke of the Utah Jazz) have been inefficient offensively, the numbers agree on an unheralded candidate -- Miles Plumlee of the Brooklyn Nets, who is tops in WARP (2.
Mason Plumlee
Ed Mulholland/USA TODAY Sports
Mason Plumlee might not have Michael Carter-Williams' numbers, but he is contributing to a winning team.
In practice, Plumlee is unlikely to win because of his limited role most of the year and pedestrian per-game averages (6.7 points and 4.1 rebounds). Of the last 26 Rookie of the Year awards, 25 have gone to the player with the highest combined averages in points, rebounds and assists per game. (The one exception? Amar'e Stoudemire over Yao Ming in 2003.) That history favors Carter-Williams, who leads all rookies in points (16.1), assists (6.3) and rebounds (6.1) per game, not to mention steals.
But while Carter-Williams is putting up numbers on the lowly 76ers, Plumlee is contributing to a playoff team. Brooklyn has gone 14-5 with Plumlee starting in place of the injured Kevin Garnett, and the Nets have been as effective overall with Plumlee in the middle as Garnett. Their defense suffers, but Plumlee's ability to finish at the rim makes them more potent offensively.
Along with Steven Adams of the Oklahoma City Thunder, European veteran Nick Calathes of the Memphis Grizzlies, Cody Zeller of the Charlotte Bobcats and perhaps New York Knicks guard Tim Hardaway Jr., Plumlee is one of a handful of rookies who will play regular roles in the playoffs. If they can provide solid minutes, they might be able to provide a more satisfying conclusion to a rough year for rookies.
I would argue that the 2000 rookie class is slightly worse
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I don't really see how anything they said in that video was wildly racist
Maybe I missed something they said.
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Has there ever been a time where a rule change of this calibur was made mid season? I can not recall. This will be a huge deal down the road, and puts the players coaches, and refs in an awkward position. Soon we will see articles about how this drastically shifts the dynamic of the Pacers Heat series and the like. This could have waited until post season IMO.
Even though it was probably always intended to be a rule where you have to jump straight up in order to be considered vertical, the fact that they will be looking out specifically for this will cause issues.
Even though it was probably always intended to be a rule where you have to jump straight up in order to be considered vertical, the fact that they will be looking out specifically for this will cause issues.
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Roy Hibbert thinks he perfected that rule, when he actually just clumsily slams into people. Asik is a natural at that. If only he didn't have stone hands.
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2000 NBA Draft is 1000x worse
Btw, Kobe said Roy was the hardest player to guard also.
Btw, Kobe said Roy was the hardest player to guard also.
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2000 Rookie Class was horrible
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thought this was funny, given how much hibbert talk we get in here:
Bleacher Report NBA @BR_NBA 2h
Roy Hibbert’s 2014 All-Star stats are almost identical to Kwame Brown’s “bust” stats from 2003-04 http://bit.ly/1ln69QU
Bleacher Report NBA @BR_NBA 2h
Roy Hibbert’s 2014 All-Star stats are almost identical to Kwame Brown’s “bust” stats from 2003-04 http://bit.ly/1ln69QU
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Was posted in here earlier this morning or last night.
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2003 Powerade Jamfest on right now. Boozer, Vick, Darius Miles and Diop are judges, Bron has a full hairline, and Wafer is dunking. And JR Giddens looks like the precursor to today's light skin dudes. And I don't remember Shannon Brown ever having braids.
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