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[CP1708]

Hold up, so ZBo is the second best PF right now? 

  Come on man. 

I get your each season argument, so then in that case you feel Rose is the best PG in the game, right now then, right? 

 

1 season is not the way to do it.  You have to sample 3-4-5 years.  Besides, for all your know that was Zach's last hurrah.  He could go completely down hill from here on, you can't eleveate him to 2, then drop him back down right after.  That makes no sense.  That's how the NT WR list always goes, every week a WR has a big game, and enters the top 3, the next week he gets 30 yards and we get crickets. 

 

Take top 5, call that good.  If he does it all again this year, and some others keep falling, bump him to top 3, and see where it leads.  Don't put it all on one six month stretch, ya know? 

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by tyisny

Hell i'm a lakers fan and i would trade Pau for Amare in a heartbeat. Pau isnt good defensively in the least bit & mentaly he chooses to dissapear in the biggest moments

And for this, you choose Amare? 

  

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Originally Posted by UPPTEMPO8387

Originally Posted by JPZx

Watch out now...Love, Griffin > Amar'e on NT.

I've never said Love was better than Amar'e.

I think he was saying that your list wasn't accurate in comparison to what NT believes in terms of PF ranks

I agree with what you wrote though..Dirk is definitely better than Amare, and it's close between him and Pau but I'd give Pau the nod because he has those 2 rings..But I can't give Griffin that #3 spot despite the fact that he's a beast..I need more than 1 great season for me to be like "Aight, this dude is definitely better than Amare"..Not being biased because he's on the Knicks, but Amare has been doing work for years and he carried the Knicks on his back before Melo showed up.




Yeah, that's what I meant. The *+!# that has been spewed about Melo and Amar'e the past few days has been out of this world.

 

[trynafeelmink]

And where did i say Amare was a good defender???. Someone else stated that Pau was a good defender and that's far from the truth. And as far as toughness goes yes Amare is leaps and bounds a better player in big situations. Say what you want about him but he ALWAYS wants the ball in big situations and he CONSTANTLY delivers.

Pau well he got his heart broken, and moped around the playoffs like a !%%+!.

 

 

[laker4lifeman]

Yeah Pau>>Amare.

 

[cyber smoke]

Originally Posted by DIOR PAINT

Originally Posted by Cyber Smoke

Originally Posted by diew its james

my top sf's go:
1a. durant
1b. lebron
3. carmelo
4. paul pierce (when healthy)
5a. rudy gay
5b. danny granger
5c. gerald wallace
8. andre iguodala

correct me if im wrong

First of all how the hell is Durant a "smidge" better than Lebron and two spots better than Melo ? Dude is not clutch , has no killer instinct , and in crutch time defers to Russel Westbrook. Dude is a great scorer , a weak defender , and a horrible rebounder for his size.

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

Cool i can post list too since you act like you didn't watch the series against Dallas last year . Your list was 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points ill do you one better.
[h4]With the game on the line[/h4]
Trailing by one or two points, or tied, in the final 24 seconds of regular-season and playoff games since 1996-97, with a minimum of 30 shots. From Alok Pattani of ESPN Stats & Information.

Carmelo Anthony	21	44	47.7
Chris Paul	14	31	45.2
Shawn Marion	12	30	40
Brandon Roy	12	30	40
Hedo Turkoglu	12	30	40
Rashard Lewis	18	46	39.1
Glenn Robinson	14	36	38.9
Deron Williams	14	36	38.9
Mike Bibby	15	39	38.5
Dirk Nowitzki	25	65	38.5
Jalen Rose	12	32	37.5
Tim Duncan	23	62	37.1
Eddie Jones	13	36	36.1
Karl Malone	11	31	35.5
Ben Gordon	17	49	34.7
Chris Webber	18	52	34.6
Raymond Felton	12	36	33.3
LeBron James	23	69	33.3
Ray Allen	23	70	32.9
Gilbert Arenas	13	40	32.5
Vince Carter	31	96	32.3
Steve Francis	14	44	31.8
Damon Stoudamire	12	38	31.6
Nick Van Exel	16	51	31.4
Kobe Bryant	36	115	31.3
Jason Terry	14	45	31.1
Allen Iverson	21	68	30.9
Kevin Garnett	22	72	30.6
Ron Artest	9	30	30
Allan Houston	12	41	29.3
Entire league	2038	6861	29.7

[th=""] Player [/th][th=""] Makes [/th][th=""] Attempts [/th][th=""] FG% [/th]

 

[Peep Game]

Yea, I think I'd rather have Amare in the paint than Pau Gasol. There's no way I would choose Pau over Amare
after watching Pau try to throw a move on Kevin Garnett, with Garnett palming the ball with one hand, making
Pau crumble to the ground like some wet tissue. At least you wouldn't have Amare's toughness and heart
questioned, regardless of the height Pau has on him.

 

[bhzmafia14]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Hold up, so ZBo is the second best PF right now? 

  Come on man. 

I get your each season argument, so then in that case you feel Rose is the best PG in the game, right now then, right? 

 

1 season is not the way to do it.  You have to sample 3-4-5 years.  Besides, for all your know that was Zach's last hurrah.  He could go completely down hill from here on, you can't eleveate him to 2, then drop him back down right after.  That makes no sense.  That's how the NT WR list always goes, every week a WR has a big game, and enters the top 3, the next week he gets 30 yards and we get crickets. 

 

Take top 5, call that good.  If he does it all again this year, and some others keep falling, bump him to top 3, and see where it leads.  Don't put it all on one six month stretch, ya know? 

Ehhh, I see what you mean.

Prior to last season, I had Pau, STAT and Dirk ahead of him. I thought Zbo and Aldridge were at the same level. Really, much hasn't changed. Just a little re-ordering, which is why I said you could probably move any of these guys from 2-7.

For the guy that said I hate the Clippers, I think Griffin will jump to #2 very soon. I'll give him the season after next though.

  

 

[stillatit]

Originally Posted by tyisny


And where did i say Amare was a good defender???. Someone else stated that Pau was a good defender and that's far from the truth. And as far as toughness goes yes Amare is leaps and bounds a better player in big situations. Say what you want about him but he ALWAYS wants the ball in big situations and he CONSTANTLY delivers.

Pau well he got his heart broken, and moped around the playoffs like a !%%+!.

 

I said Pau's defense was light years ahead of Amare's, which it is. The problem with Amare being "leaps and bounds better in big situations" than Pau is that the rest of the game still counts. And Pau played with some dude named Kobe the last 4 seasons. Whoever that is.
I don't know why people act like Amare and Melo don't still have glaring weaknesses in their games that have yet to be fixed after 7+ seasons. Defense being the main one.

 

[cyber smoke]

So you put Z-bo above Amare after he had a MVP type season before Melo came on board and was top 5 in scoring ? Got you

Zach Randolph was a Knick I have seen dude play he is not better than Amare Stoudemire.

 

[ex carrabba fan]

Originally Posted by tyisny

Pau isnt good defensively in the least bit & mentaly he chooses to dissapear in the biggest moments

Did you completely black out during the 2008-2009 playoffs as well as the 2009-2010 playoffs?

 

[airjordan jb23]

Dirk
Pau
Amar'e
Griffin
Love
ZBo

Imo...

at that LeBron commercial.

 

[|A-Man|]

I agree with bhz about Zbo being top 3 and Rudy hovering around top 5 but that Conley talk is wild. I don't believe on his best nights he coudl match up to what Rondo does consistently for the Celts. OJ has the potential.

As for PFs after the top 5 there's a drop in overall talent. Amar'e > LMA, Love, Griffin right now and honestly it's only after this past postseason you can put Zbo ahead of STAT. Amar'e when healthy playing as many games as ZBo did in the playoffs produces just as much for his team.

Anyway, anybody know where Kris Humphries is going as a FA? Leaning back to the Nets?

 

[trynafeelmink]

P.S.A
The pacers are a team in the east that if healthy is going to scare quite a few people. They are young, they have depth, and now that i think about it have NO glaring weakness

Collison/ Hill

George/ Hill/ Rush

Granger/ Rush/ stevenson

D.West/ Psycho T

Hibbert/ Psycho T/ Zoolander foster.

If i'm them i maybe throw out an offer to Minny to try and snag away Beasly and they are ready to go. 

 

[stillatit]

Sampling 4 or 5 years to rank is going too far back. Too many variables: age, coaching, team makeup, role changes, player development, injury. At most you go back 2 seasons, but you weigh the most recent one the heaviest.

 

[hood17]

Lebron

 

[IATT]

gee.. am i the only person who forgot that george hill was traded to the pacers and andre miller to the nuggets?

 

[Bert.]

the Pacers quietly have a really nice squad IMO. Crawford is kinda dumb not to sign there.

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

I'm not even tripping off the PF rankings, I'm tripping off the SF rankings...
Iggy, Wallace? over Deng?

 

[gaseousfashion]

I have Pacers as the surprise team out East.

Cippers as the surprise team out West (will not be a surprise anymore).

 

[ex carrabba fan]

Originally Posted by Zyzz

the Pacers quietly have a really nice squad IMO. Crawford is kinda dumb not to sign there.

Blazers have a nice squad themselves, they should make the playoffs

Felton
Matthews
Crash
Aldridge
Camby

Crawford
Batum
Kurt Thomas

 

[you big dummy]

Originally Posted by tyisny

P.S.A
The pacers are a team in the east that if healthy is going to scare quite a few people. They are young, they have depth, and now that i think about it have NO glaring weakness

Collison/ Hill

George/ Hill/ Rush

Granger/ Rush/ stevenson

D.West/ Psycho T

Hibbert/ Psycho T/ Zoolander foster.

If i'm them i maybe throw out an offer to Minny to try and snag away Beasly and they are ready to go. 

they're definitely on my radar

I have them finishing ahead of the Knicks right now

 

[caerus]

Wish Mayo went to Indy, it's cool though. Really though Crawford was going to go also but hey, may be a good thing for both

 

[ex carrabba fan]

Originally Posted by gaseousfashion

I have Pacers at the surprise team out East.

Cippers as the surprise team out West (will not be a surprise anymore).

Those are the two biggest bandwagon teams out right now, it'll be no surprise to anyone if they do good

 

[gaseousfashion]

Can anyone clarify the Roy amnesty?

Was his salary already going to be off the books because of the medical retirement?

Is insurance still going to cover the remainder of the contract?

Looking at Portland, they have no other amnesty candidates except for Aldridge and Matthews in a few years. However, neither on them are over 26 years old.