Wrestling Thread April-September 2018 RIP

[D Fly]

When I discuss main roster, WWE, I discuss it with the owner in mind.

If HHH was running things, I would approach these debates differently.

But since Vince is there, I can't possibly attack the hypothetical the same way I would if it were taking place in NXT

So yes, Size matters

And that's fine.

Yes being bigger does still help today, but you can be the size of a Lars Sullivan or Adam Cole...but Vince still has to like you. If he ain't impressed then well..

Otherwise AJ Styles, Bryan and Finn would be on 205.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

And that's fine.

Yes being bigger does still help today, but you can be the size of a Lars Sullivan or Adam Cole...but Vince still has to like you.

Otherwise AJ Styles would be on 205.

But again, size matters.

Size helps Vince like you more

That has proven to be true more times than not

 

[D Fly]

But again, size matters.

Size helps Vince like you more

That has proven to be true more times than not

Fair enough

 

[deleted]

Dream has the character work down 100000%...better than pretty much anyone in NXT

He can have great matches when he's in there with a great opponent

As far as his ability to bring lesser competitors up to a higher level...he's got a long way to go

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Dream has the character work down 100000%...better than pretty much anyone in NXT

He can have great matches when he's in there with a great opponent

As far as his ability to bring lesser competitors up to a higher level...he's got a long way to go

Bingo

 

[Warmachine85]

Dream has the character work down 100000%...better than pretty much anyone in NXT

He can have great matches when he's in there with a great opponent

As far as his ability to bring lesser competitors up to a higher level...he's got a long way to go

Made EC3 decent looking

 

[Blue Mamba]

I was also told that Dream has shown he can carry anyone to a good match too.

I thought that was such a wild claim that I didn't even address it.

Said by Lance @ITO

Dream is green as hell right now man

I don't think he can carry everyone to a good match yet, but he has the ability to make all of his feuds matter

 

[D Fly]

Dream got time. Kid is only like 21-22 ain't he?

 

[Blue Mamba]

Would y'all say Dream is a prodigy?

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Would y'all say Dream is a prodigy?

Eh, be careful with labeling folks that. Especially someone that is working in an incubation system.

He should have a bright future

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Dream got time. Kid is only like 21-22 ain't he?

And that is why me calling him green should not be an insult.

Me saying HE AIN'T READY, should not be taken as an insult.

For context purposes, you want to talk about prodigies, look at what Rey was doing at age 21.

So few dudes in the history of this sport should get that label

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I don't think he can carry everyone to a good match yet, but he has the ability to make all of his feuds matter

In NXT. We have to make note of that.

He can do that in NXT.

I personally like to save judgement for when folks get to the main roster.

We know NXT makes any and everyone look good.

Not saying Dream isn't talented but we should hold judgement

 

[Deleted member 37754]

I was also told that Dream has shown he can carry anyone to a good match too.

I thought that was such a wild claim that I didn't even address it.

Said by Lance @ITO

Dream is green as hell right now man

So you watched him carry a match with EC3 then, the specific example I gave?

If you did, did he carry the match... yes or no?

I also noted what your criteria was, not mine.

Size... 6’2”, 230 lbs
Lars, in comparison... 6,2”, 290

Wider... not overal larger.
And by saying Lars has monster appeal and also stating you are doing this by sitting in the person running the companies shoes you ARE saying he is the viable option. Regardless of the narrative you want to twist, it’s what you said in this conversation.

Charisma... name 10 people in the WWE with more and that can go on a mic better. The amount of mouth breathers is astonishing.

Believability... he sells, everything. Wins, losses, and how a match plays out. He can sell throwing most people over a rope and being lucky enough to win.

You also mentioned Joe, he is not a brand new call up to win the RR like what’s being suggested currently but yes he would be thee guy. However he has been long established. A littler different than current NXT.

Tried to have a convo about this but you wanted to brush it off, no need to go further. No worries.

 

[green rhino123]

Would y'all say Dream is a prodigy?

 

[Deleted member 37754]

Made EC3 decent looking

 

[deleted]

Made EC3 decent looking

I personally thought that match was unremarkable

Kind of exposed both those dudes imo

 

[Case]

I was also told that Dream has shown he can carry anyone to a good match too.

I thought that was such a wild claim that I didn't even address it.

Said by Lance @ITO

Dream is green as hell right now man

I enjoy Dream's matches, but you can tell he has some big flaws to fix still..He's great at big spots and charisma, but the small stuff he still struggles with..Being in proper position, pacing, selling, and even his footwork are all things that have to be worked on for at least another 6 months before he gets called up..I'd say more like a year if he wants to be called up and not immediately turned into a jobber..

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Some height and girth is more important than just height. I never claimed the person had to be a giant, I just said a larger fellow.

I don't agree with Dream carrying EC3 to a good match. We usually see what we want to see there, when using the word CARRY, so we can just agree to disagree there.

I said Lars makes more sense than Dream or Cole. He does nkt make absolute sense as I would NEVER have him win the RR as a debut participant. Not sure why you can't comprehend that

 

[ihust1e]

nobody from or in NXT is a prodigy

 

[Case]

Made EC3 decent looking

No he didn't..That match at TO sucked..Neither was more to blame than the other..Both men did a bad job..

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I personally thought that match was unremarkable

Kind of exposed both those dudes imo

Yea, not sure what match he was talking about but he is adamant about Dream carrying EC3.

 

[had pants]

 

[DCAllAfrican]

You also mentioned Joe, he is not a brand new call up to win the RR like what’s being suggested currently but yes he would be thee guy. However he has been long established. A littler different than current NXT.

.

Yea and that is why I said Joe was the ONLY one I would have gone with, the dudes down there now are so green that I wouldn't consider them. Adam Cole and Ricochet are establish but, nah. They don't work for me in THAT setting. (Royal Rumble)

 

[Blue Mamba]

I've never liked the slowly walking to the ring while doing a promo thing. Just looks awkward

 

[Warmachine85]

No he didn't..That match at TO sucked..Neither was more to blame than the other..Both men did a bad job..

Case you even agreed with me ec3 was slow in getting to certain spots causing dream to wait on him when to happened. Now its different hmmmmmmmmm.....