antonlavey
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Originally Posted by dayoyoman
All of the articles (except the infertility one) mention BMI as their indicator of obesity. Again, BMI has been proven to be a faulty way of measuring 'obesity'. I just don't see how there can be any proof between correlations of obesity and other diseases with obesity. How can they attribute it to fatness when the way the measure fatness is so problematic? Studies have shown that people categorized with an 'overweight' BMI actually have longer life spans than those with 'normal'. How can you explain that? Those diseases you mention do cause health problems and death, but how can you be so sure that they are symptoms of obesity? Couldn't the diseases be coming from a different source? Maybe the all the toxins in our food and our environment? Maybe just a product of old age?
All I want to get at is that the links between obesity and diseases isn't as black and white as you make it. Obesity may very well be the cause of these diseases, but the science is not there yet. Would you really argue that BMI is an accurate measure of obesity? What really constitutes 'obese' versus 'normal'? By all accounts, 'obese' has literally become the new 'normal' (statistically). How do we really know if the disease is from being too fat?
Sorry if I dodged the question. I'm not a scientist by any means, just someone who's skeptical about the whole 'obesity epidemic'.
Post several studies that show overweight people have a higher lifespan.
The science is there and pretty clear cut, you chose to ignore it. Like I said, this is just as bad as saying there is no link between cigarettes and lung cancer....and saying people who smoke cigarettes actually live longer. Your stance on this carries a tone of denial.
When they do epidemiological studies, they control for "confounding variables". The fact that you're bringing up variables such as toxins, age, etc means you clearly have NO IDEA how these studies work. These studies control for all those variables, if you actually read a few of them you would know.
It's all there, the data is overwhelming it's up to you to learn how to read and interpret scientific data. BMI can be higher in people like body builders....if someone has a high BMI and doesn't have the build associated with obesity they're clearly not going to be used for the study. People with high BMI + central obesity are who these studies are intended for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdominal_obesity
Love how you clearly ignored the physiological and pathological studies done on the obese and chose to focus on epidemiological studies....You don't believe those studies as well? The clear cut evidence showing severe artherosclerosis in the obese people is made up by scientists?
The pathophysiological mechanisms linking central obesity to various diseases have been CLEARLY elucidated....don't say the science doesn't exist because it's beyond the scope of your comprehension.
Someone dying of a myocardial infarction at 45 years old is NOT normal aging. An obese patient with type 2 diabetes needing a leg amputated because of severe gangrene is not normal aging or because of toxins.
The science is there, you're still living in the dark ages!!!