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I think we will have to agree to disagree, but I appreciate the civil discussion that we've had in this topic.Originally Posted by Steinbeckballa
He loved us so much and created us even though he knew that we would sin. I believe that our purpose on this earth is not to just avoid sinning, but to learn from mistakes and to reach out others about Christ. I know it might not make sense to you but that what I believe and I faith in the Lord.Originally Posted by So Nyuh Shi Dae
Adam and Eve were at a disadvantage because, no matter what, they were going to sin because that's how god created them. Additionally, it makes no sense that god would create someone to sin because he hates sin. So what I'm getting at is the whole idea behind god and sin is illogical. I'm not trying to view sin as if I'm in god's shoes, I'm trying to make sense of that which seems to make no sense.Originally Posted by Steinbeckballa
Disadvantage to who and in whose eyes? You're trying to view sin as if you are in God's shoes from what I'm reading. I can't even understand the mindset of God, my brain would probably explode trying to(or just a migraine), but I know what he has done for me. We're born sinners, Jesus died for our sins, we are able to ask for forgiveness, but not all are promised into the kingdom of Heaven.
Originally Posted by sillyputty
Originally Posted by Mez 0ne
So long as the person doesnt push his beliefs on you, why is there a need to discredit theirs?
Thank you, people who worry so much about the next man need to re-evaluate themselves.
Originally Posted by sillyputty
Because I actually care if what I think:Originally Posted by foreveryoung
Originally Posted by foreveryoung
I think youre mistaking my whole stance on everything. I say what I feel is irrelevant because of regardless of what I believe you are going to want some sort of factual evidence, which I cant nor feel the need to supply to anybody ha. Its how I feel. It just seems like its an insult to you if somebody says: thats what I believe.
As far as why I asked about family and children, the only reason was to ask about love.
Love is not a quantifiable thing. You cant prove you love somebody any more than you can prove you believe in God. You either feel it, or you dont. Theres no formula.
But until one feels it, or has an experience where they have felt it, it is an abstract concept.
If someone told you to prove you loved your parents, what would you do? (If you dont I apologize. But you get my point)
A. is Logical
B. Is true.
Everything else is for you to have fun with. But to just play it off like religion has NO influence on the lives of others is just patently false...thus I DO take the time to poke holes in arguments and I love to expose the inconsistencies of popular stances in people who have never taken the time to assess what it is that they think they know.
Downplaying my stance as "well its only one person so who matters" isn't the point. There are tons of people out there with doubt who are scared to come forward and admit it. Before the internet there would probably be half as many atheists out there...too many people were scared to look for the information...instead they stayed in their mental bubbles and didn't know any of this stuff...its the least I can do to at least introduce some objective and consistently rational basis into the argument.
I mean did you not read Steinbeckballa? Dude thinks he sinned before he was born. What type of messed up way to live is that???
Mez 0ne wrote:
So long as the person doesnt push his beliefs on you, why is there a need to discredit theirs?
"...You know I get it, people are just looking for a way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna to live in the holes. And they go nuts when somebody else pours dirt in their holes. Climb out of your holes, people!"
Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
son posted all those graphs like they mean something. nobody wants to read that bull !%!@..
who do you think conducted those surveys? The Worldwide Atheist Association ?
%@#@ outta here
Here is some real material for real inquiring people...not machine-people with vendettas against God posting graphs from their Atheist text books.
http://fractalontology.wordpress.com/
These are baseless assertions, not facts.Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
Those people don't represent God just because they say they do and you believe what they say, that shows how truly unsophisticated your outlook is when you hold those idiots with any kind of regard merely because they hold an influential position in this bull $#+% society.
Bad exists for good to exist.Furthermore if you gave real scripture a chance , or actually read instead of posting your big industry funded statistical graphs, you would see that scriptures warn against people who pose as believers to compensate for their true reality.
I can respect people being honest and saying they are Atheist because their are a lot of people who use organized religion as a veil for their own immoral conduct, but I still feel like if you embrace atheist sentiments your asking to be a target.
and then you try the good ol' I'm atheist so I'm a smarter person that a believer. WRONG. That exposes your own Atheist-hypocrisy.
Sir Issac Newton>>>>>> you
Everything exists for a particular function and all is one. Peace.
From the OP, "If the basis for your beliefs can be scientifically explained or
falsified with facts, I won't be holding back any information."
O man my bad Im in here arguing like a fool when the original thread was scientifically prove why you believe in God
Thats like sayin scientifically prove you love your family
Dead from the start. Im out
Originally Posted by foreveryoung
Originally Posted by sillyputty
Because I actually care if what I think:Originally Posted by foreveryoung
A. is Logical
B. Is true.
Everything else is for you to have fun with. But to just play it off like religion has NO influence on the lives of others is just patently false...thus I DO take the time to poke holes in arguments and I love to expose the inconsistencies of popular stances in people who have never taken the time to assess what it is that they think they know.
Downplaying my stance as "well its only one person so who matters" isn't the point. There are tons of people out there with doubt who are scared to come forward and admit it. Before the internet there would probably be half as many atheists out there...too many people were scared to look for the information...instead they stayed in their mental bubbles and didn't know any of this stuff...its the least I can do to at least introduce some objective and consistently rational basis into the argument.
I mean did you not read Steinbeckballa? Dude thinks he sinned before he was born. What type of messed up way to live is that???
So your goal is to instill as much doubt and disbelief as you have??
Im not saying religion doesnt influence society. I grew up in UTAHthat place is RAN by the Mormon church. Im just saying people have the right to believe whatever they want
If you were on here just saying "I dont believe in God, I believe that we have complete control of our futures, our lives, our success and our failures" I wouldnt even had said anything. But instead youre on here breaking down every statement into bits and pieces, like an experiment. And because youre an intelligent dude, youre using scientific explanations and historical evidence to disprove their hypothesis
But is it that you believe THRU and THRU that there is no God, or is it that you have so much doubt and so many questions that you refuse to believe there could be one?
You said it yourself "There very well COULD be a god. But nothing you or anyone else has said supports that logically, or with any substantial evidence"
How can you be SOOO adamant about trying to discredit, and disprove others, when you yourself havent even taken a firm stance on your own beliefs?
The people on here who have said I believe have chosen. The people on here who have said I dont have chosen. The people on here who have said: Heres the 15 reason I do/dont are still not sure themselves
My argument was that you dismissed everything that the OP said by passing it off as something written by the "The Worldwide Atheist Association" and then continuing to insist people check out a random blog. You're the one dodging the argument. Secondly, I don't care what you do. I was just pointing out that you articulate yourself like a 12 year old. It becomes very apparent when checking your twitter page.Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
Ahhh I didn't punctuate the contraction correctly for you massa? I'm sorry sir. I'll make sure to do a spelling and grammar check just for you next time.
Classic Rebuttal #2: When you don't have an argument attack grammar....
of course I'm bound to make language/grammatical errors when my native culture was whipped and worked out of me.
My words have meaning to them. This is all whimsical for me. I know my place.
Originally Posted by foreveryoung
From the OP, "If the basis for your beliefs can be scientifically explained or
falsified with facts, I won't be holding back any information."
Originally Posted by buggz05
When you think of everything in the Universe as a collective existence, the memory of that complete existence is equal to a One Whole God. The Will of God is Inevitable.
You typically need empirical evidence to support a claim, yes. That's how it works. I can sit here and say that good can exist without evil, or that good and evil don't exist. It would be no different than what you're doing. Also, when you state that something has a "function", you're implying that something was designed for a specific role. Again, that's not necessarily true unless you can demonstrate that it is true. So yeah, if you're going to make wild claims, you might want to back them up. Otherwise you're opening the discussion up to baseless claims as support for the arguments being presented.Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
ok so their assertions then that doesn't mean they are't true....What is a real fact?
Do you need empirical evidence to prove something? No.
The No True Scotsman Fallacy.Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
Those people don't represent God just because they say they do and you believe what they say, that shows how truly unsophisticated your outlook is when you hold those idiots with any kind of regard merely because they hold an influential position in this bull $#+% society.
Bad exists for good to exist.Furthermore if you gave real scripture a chance , or actually read instead of posting your big industry funded statistical graphs, you would see that scriptures warn against people who pose as believers to compensate for their true reality.
I can respect people being honest and saying they are Atheist because their are a lot of people who use organized religion as a veil for their own immoral conduct, but I still feel like if you embrace atheist sentiments your asking to be a target.
and then you try the good ol' I'm atheist so I'm a smarter person that a believer. WRONG. That exposes your own Atheist-hypocrisy.
Sir Issac Newton>>>>>> you
Everything exists for a particular function and all is one. Peace.
Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
ok so their assertions then that doesn't mean they are't true....What is a real fact?
Do you need empirical evidence to prove something? No.