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He still has some projects here and there, but for the most part he is mentoring the younger designers in the 'Kitchen'.Originally Posted by nkwu11
what's aaron cooper oding now adays?
So I'll assume you guys have heard the frequent and nonstop complaints from disgruntled collectors and fans about retros..."Nike Air,"weak colorways, no mesh on the Air Max retros, smaller air bubbles etc etc...Why wont Nike give one of its most loyal consumer groups what they want? Is itbecause the merchandise will end up purchased regardless of whos happy or not?Originally Posted by MenofOregon
P.S., if anyone gets a chance to talk to him please don't ask him "annoying" questions about the "future of Jordan Brand", or any ridiculous questions about "retros", or why Jordan Brand released "this color and that color" etc. etc.. He tends to shy away and divert from questions like that. It flat out bugs him. So please show proper respect in talking to him because he is a Nike Executive and a VP.
For the answer to your question, please read SinnerP's second to the last reply. And then read my reply immediately after that.Thank you.Originally Posted by Rudemiester
So I'll assume you guys have heard the frequent and nonstop complaints from disgruntled collectors and fans about retros..."Nike Air," weak colorways, no mesh on the Air Max retros, smaller air bubbles etc etc...Why wont Nike give one of its most loyal consumer groups what they want? Is it because the merchandise will end up purchased regardless of whos happy or not?Originally Posted by MenofOregon
P.S., if anyone gets a chance to talk to him please don't ask him "annoying" questions about the "future of Jordan Brand", or any ridiculous questions about "retros", or why Jordan Brand released "this color and that color" etc. etc.. He tends to shy away and divert from questions like that. It flat out bugs him. So please show proper respect in talking to him because he is a Nike Executive and a VP.
I cant seem to figure out how reversing certain changes to make the shoes how they were before would hurt the company so it befuttles me as to why they would make the changes in the first place. Care to shed some light?
If you were really a "loyal consumer" you would purchase the shoe based on its performance/design and "true value" not "resale value". We can't cater to everyone's own personal taste in this world, so the bottom line is ........you make the decision.
I never purchased anything based on resale value...And I understand that Nike cant cater to everyones needs. You said loyal consumers purchasebased on performance/design and that was the nail I was hoping you'd hit. What sparked my curiosity as it pertains to this subject was the changing ofcertain design/performance aspects that didnt help make certain shoes better in many peoples aspects. Like if Nike releases an original one way say in 1990 andits an off the meter success why taint said product upon rerelease a decade plus later when the originals are unwearable? Understandably, times change andtechnologies are produced that enhance the performance of a shoe....but strictly from a design standpoint why fix what isn't broken?
Originally Posted by MenofOregon
The first part of your last sentence pretty much sums it up.
I think a lot of people on this message board fail to appreciate the fact that we have "retroed" certain past models that would otherwise be hard to obtain normally. The "retro" should be purchased due to its "nostalgic significance" regardless if it has a JUMPMAN on the back instead of "Nike Air", or leather instead of mesh, etc. etc.. If it doesn't have a certain design cue that the original had then simply don't buy it. For those that covet the shoe and simply must have it, they will get the opportunity. In addition, it gives the owners of the original models a slight distinction and sense of "nostalgic pride".
Another unfortunate factor in this equation is the "variant" industry and the selling of unlicensed, non-authentic Nikes. Another factor is the reselling business.
No offense but I have to say you are full of %!@# on that one. When product is limited you put us in a position where we are lucky to purchase yourproducts. I don't know who you are or where you work, but if you work at Nike and had any balls you'd walk into Gentry's office and beat him overthe head with a bat.Originally Posted by MenofOregon
If you are talking specifically about Jordan Brand, your comments would best be suited for the Footwear PLM. But the bottom line is, you chose what great lengths you had to go through to obtain the product. That was solely your decision. Unfortunately, it didn't turn out the way you would've liked. It's not a "blessing" to purchase our products, it's a choice; one that only you can make for yourself. That goes with anything sold in today's market. You have other options.
No offense taken. But you did choose to stand in line on release day by your own power, or whatever measures you went through, taking a chance that youmay not be able to purchase the product. That means you put yourself in that position. You made a choice. We're not responsible for what the public doeseveryday, nor release days. We are however, responsible for putting out the products according to our production schedules/guidelines/procedures. Now we dounderstand that there have been a lot of unfavorable and unfortunate situations. We cannot control everything. Ultimately, the public is responsible forthemselves. Again, everyone has choices. Unfortunately, they don't always turn out in everyone's favor.Originally Posted by HOVKid
No offense but I have to say you are full of %!@# on that one. When product is limited you put us in a position where we are lucky to purchase your products. I don't know who you are or where you work, but if you work at Nike and had any balls you'd walk into Gentry's office and beat him over the head with a bat.Originally Posted by MenofOregon
If you are talking specifically about Jordan Brand, your comments would best be suited for the Footwear PLM. But the bottom line is, you chose what great lengths you had to go through to obtain the product. That was solely your decision. Unfortunately, it didn't turn out the way you would've liked. It's not a "blessing" to purchase our products, it's a choice; one that only you can make for yourself. That goes with anything sold in today's market. You have other options.
Originally Posted by MenofOregon
I see your point WallyHopp. In most cases, it is pretty difficult to exactly replicate a color from over 10, 15, 20 years ago. The inks, dyes, patterns, etc., take a slight variation over the years. It also depends on the factory itself (machinery and material upgrades) that produces the shoe. I'll admit, some of us are a little surprised ourselves when we receive the product from the factory, but we cannot return back hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of merchandise because of slight differences.
The designer of the Air Jordan II, Bruce Kilgore , is still very much with us. In fact, he re-designed and released the Air Force 1 2007.
Tracy Teague designed the AF25.
Nike quality is getting continually worse. I DO have a choice in purchasing, but hearing the "shop elsewhere" attitude is nothing short ofdisheartening.
Sure there's production difficulties -- but that's an easy excuse. I know firsthand the awful decisions that are made, and that cheaper materials,leathers, and appearances are chosen purposely.
Once-loyal customers are turning their backs. There's a countless number of shoes I would've bought this yearthat I passed on due to quality.
The DT Max being a great example. That shoe IS a swingman version to the original. The appearance isn't remotely close.
The other thing Nike forgets about, and something that Tinker so often stresses himself, is that true innovation is through performance. I don't like ashoe because somebody put a clear plastic upper onto it, made the heel carolina blue, limited its production numbers and charged $150 for it....I like a shoebecause it performs.
Nike Retro shoes don't perform. They're gutted of their technology, ridden of key functional elements and cheapened in materials, just making for worsedurability over time. I don't want to hear that I have other choices...'cause all that says to me is that thought and effort isn't being put intothe products that we love so dearly.