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WELCOME TO THE MARVEL MULTIVERSE -*RIP STAN LEE & Boseman* - Agatha All Along new ep every Wednesday
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Don't remember where I heard it or read it.. I think it was on some commentary on ironman2 and what went wrong.. But I think it can be applied to marvel's problems with individual franchises
They are to focused on the larger picture (building to thanos and the avengers).. And hurting the individual entities at the same time
They literally should have taken the same approach they have towards thanos and applied them to the individual characters movies.. Cap has hydra (should have recasted red skull).. Then you build up AIM more and actually have MODOK
With ironman, you continue with where the 1st film left off and build up the 10 rings and build towards a real mandarin
Thor you build towards surtur..
Shield then has to deal with a world with constant threats from hydra, AIM and 10 rings.. Could also build towards a masters of evil group
Which of the individual films they should have had it planned and mapped out to how does this lead and build to this.. Like in the comics/cartoon and with thanos and the infinity gauntlet
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Iron Man 2 was filled with avengers exposition so it kind of makes sense why Whiplash was so butt
didn't that graphic say the final fight lasted 2 and a half minutes? C'mon now
didn't that graphic say the final fight lasted 2 and a half minutes? C'mon now
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Whiplash was hot trash
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the whole lead up to that final fight was cool though. all those suits flying after him. it was an entertaning scene
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Considering the build up for everything.. And the amount of movies the would have to lay the groundwork towards everything..
They could and should focus on building the larger world for the individual characters because then we won't be asking "why doesn't he just call so and so or all the avengers to come help"
Well everyone would be busy and everything would be spread out.. Then obviously you have these larger issues that calls for everyone.. And hell when the whole infinity war actually happens the bad and the good have to deal with it
They could and should focus on building the larger world for the individual characters because then we won't be asking "why doesn't he just call so and so or all the avengers to come help"
Well everyone would be busy and everything would be spread out.. Then obviously you have these larger issues that calls for everyone.. And hell when the whole infinity war actually happens the bad and the good have to deal with it
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That feeling when your drunk and your spacing out literally feels like when antman shrinks... Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you feel your body progressively getting smaller lol
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My thing is while these villains haven't been all that good I'm not disappointed cuz the majority of the villains leading up to Avengers and even some movies after never excited me much to begin with.
I almost think Feige and others have the same opinion. Thanos is worth it. He has that gravitas and pedigree. It's not just cuz of them not being the best villains that so many are so forgettable. MCU right now just doesn't have the rights to all of the good villains. Only person I feel they dropped the ball with is Loki but seems most ppl disagree with me on that.
They've done a good job with Hydra imo. AIM could've been done better but I'm pretty sure they don't have any plans for Modok anyway besides he's a bit of a joke.
To me they've been using these pretty meh villains cuz they got a bigger plan; Whiplash, Red Skull (on his own), Iron Monger, Malekith, the lame *** Destroyer armor suck to me. I've also never been a big fan of Ultron but he could've been more of a threat but not anything we haven't seen in other Roboapocalypse type movies.
It's probably been about not wasting the best of what they do have though like Hela, Surtur, Taskmaster, The Leader, etc. I figure MCU will be consistent with their villains by the time phase 5 rolls out.
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I'm just talking about from an execution stand point on things.. Literally could have used the same formula they are using for the build up to thanos and infinity stones
And by establishing the 3 major evil entities (hydra, AIM and 10 rings) you keep everyone busy.. And it just doesn't feel like your just trying scrap together a bad guy to pump out a movie
Shield has to constantly deal with all 3 throughout the TV series.. Then you could have crossovers with things AIM stealing stark tech and developing weaponry (suits.. Maybe have the leader working with them.. They could have collected old ultrons)
You just go bigger with things that have worked in best marvel movies
And by establishing the 3 major evil entities (hydra, AIM and 10 rings) you keep everyone busy.. And it just doesn't feel like your just trying scrap together a bad guy to pump out a movie
Shield has to constantly deal with all 3 throughout the TV series.. Then you could have crossovers with things AIM stealing stark tech and developing weaponry (suits.. Maybe have the leader working with them.. They could have collected old ultrons)
You just go bigger with things that have worked in best marvel movies
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Ant Man was cool but it got way hyped on NT. People really putting it over Cap 2 and GotG? Pena has like 15 total minutes in the movie and outside of that it was generic "go be a hero!" stuff. Not a bad watch though.
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Again I feel they did a good job with Hydra but I don't see how they could do for AIM and the 10 rings what they are doing for Thanos.
What they gonna have end credit scenes of Thor hyping up AIM?
All they've literally done with Thanos is create hype by introducing the infinity stones.
What they did with Hydra was surprise us that they sort of won after the war and embedded themselves in SHIELD and all around the world and then they were ready to strike. That's a one time twist that puts them at the top of the list when it comes to terror groups.
For AIM to get that treatment every Iron Man movie would have to involve them and they'd probably have to have some influence in one of the Cap movies. There'd have to be thought out plan. Same goes for the 10 Rings if they were a separate thing and there's no way both groups could get that sort of execution when the only 3 franchises at the time were Cap, IM, and Thor. What they ended up doing for AIM though is saying they secretly were the 10 Rings. They made up a fake terrorist group and a puppet Mandarin for sort of monetary or political gain. That was the whole point of dude revealing that to Stark. That was the most put in to AIM story wise while weaving in the continuity of mentioning the 10 Rings back in IM1. That's another thing, in the comics there is no such group called the 10 Rings. I think it's something Faverau or the writers made up to reference the Mandarin's 10 magical alien rings that give him power back when they weren't sure the Mandarin with that power set would ever show up. So they said lets make it a terrorist faction which played on the zeitgeist of our time.
Thing is Iron Man was a risk flick, so were Thor and Cap. Marvel didn't know it would work so it made no sense to have a big plan setting up multiple villains the same way they set up just for Thanos. When they got traction that's when they started laying the foundation and Avengers revealed after the fact that certain objects that don't even look like infinity stones are infinity stones.
Plus if they did so much planning for each villain like that there probably wouldn't be the bigger Thanos and Infinity gauntlet climax. I mean that's plans within plans. A lot of moving parts. Not to mention the different directors on several of these films. So there alone you know execution will not be consistent. Phase 1 the MCU is still finding their groove even when it ended with the success of the Avengers. The idea was probably just good entertaining movie with a framework for future sequels but if something doesn't work out we'll switch directors and adapt or scrap the franchise and keep moving.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea going forward though but that'll come after IW.
What they gonna have end credit scenes of Thor hyping up AIM?
All they've literally done with Thanos is create hype by introducing the infinity stones.
What they did with Hydra was surprise us that they sort of won after the war and embedded themselves in SHIELD and all around the world and then they were ready to strike. That's a one time twist that puts them at the top of the list when it comes to terror groups.
For AIM to get that treatment every Iron Man movie would have to involve them and they'd probably have to have some influence in one of the Cap movies. There'd have to be thought out plan. Same goes for the 10 Rings if they were a separate thing and there's no way both groups could get that sort of execution when the only 3 franchises at the time were Cap, IM, and Thor. What they ended up doing for AIM though is saying they secretly were the 10 Rings. They made up a fake terrorist group and a puppet Mandarin for sort of monetary or political gain. That was the whole point of dude revealing that to Stark. That was the most put in to AIM story wise while weaving in the continuity of mentioning the 10 Rings back in IM1. That's another thing, in the comics there is no such group called the 10 Rings. I think it's something Faverau or the writers made up to reference the Mandarin's 10 magical alien rings that give him power back when they weren't sure the Mandarin with that power set would ever show up. So they said lets make it a terrorist faction which played on the zeitgeist of our time.
Thing is Iron Man was a risk flick, so were Thor and Cap. Marvel didn't know it would work so it made no sense to have a big plan setting up multiple villains the same way they set up just for Thanos. When they got traction that's when they started laying the foundation and Avengers revealed after the fact that certain objects that don't even look like infinity stones are infinity stones.
Plus if they did so much planning for each villain like that there probably wouldn't be the bigger Thanos and Infinity gauntlet climax. I mean that's plans within plans. A lot of moving parts. Not to mention the different directors on several of these films. So there alone you know execution will not be consistent. Phase 1 the MCU is still finding their groove even when it ended with the success of the Avengers. The idea was probably just good entertaining movie with a framework for future sequels but if something doesn't work out we'll switch directors and adapt or scrap the franchise and keep moving.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea going forward though but that'll come after IW.
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Cap established hydra the very first movie.. Ditto 10 rings and ironman
With Thor they should have established the characters earlier on so we would car about them.. Have the enchantress in the first film, she doesn't have to be bad yet but she is there.. Hell introduce malekith too
But essentially you break it down hydra is taking the political route.. AIM science.. And 10 rings magic.. Obviously you can have over lap in the movies, the show(s) and with each other.. Hydra needs tech, they go to AIM.. Get desperate or get something they can understand go to 10 rings
With Thor they should have established the characters earlier on so we would car about them.. Have the enchantress in the first film, she doesn't have to be bad yet but she is there.. Hell introduce malekith too
But essentially you break it down hydra is taking the political route.. AIM science.. And 10 rings magic.. Obviously you can have over lap in the movies, the show(s) and with each other.. Hydra needs tech, they go to AIM.. Get desperate or get something they can understand go to 10 rings
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Also I wonder/hope marvel owns the rights to graviton
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I don't see how they could've done that and what they're doing now effectively. It would've been a hot mess.
You literally only have IM1, Cap, Thor, IM2, and Avengers to do all of that. So AIM in IM2 instead of Whiplash? or 10Rings magic? or wait for IM3 to spring that? Iron Man really doesn't face magical villains. He'd need help and with no Strange around yet he'd have to hope Thor is in town at the least who just has a magic hammer to hit things with.
In what movie are you going to establish AIM and the 10 Rings though? You can't do both in the IM movies. 10 Rings being in Thor movies would be a bit of a reach even if you want them to be about magic when technically the rings themselves are not. They clearly have no place in Cap movies. 10 Rings to me was always the odd man out. They were established as a terrorist group in the movies. Making them magic based wouldn't make sense given how magic users choose to use magic.
There's value in not doing so much so soon. It's why Feige was always so hyped for Dr. Strange but knew the virtue in waiting until the time was right.
You literally only have IM1, Cap, Thor, IM2, and Avengers to do all of that. So AIM in IM2 instead of Whiplash? or 10Rings magic? or wait for IM3 to spring that? Iron Man really doesn't face magical villains. He'd need help and with no Strange around yet he'd have to hope Thor is in town at the least who just has a magic hammer to hit things with.
In what movie are you going to establish AIM and the 10 Rings though? You can't do both in the IM movies. 10 Rings being in Thor movies would be a bit of a reach even if you want them to be about magic when technically the rings themselves are not. They clearly have no place in Cap movies. 10 Rings to me was always the odd man out. They were established as a terrorist group in the movies. Making them magic based wouldn't make sense given how magic users choose to use magic.
There's value in not doing so much so soon. It's why Feige was always so hyped for Dr. Strange but knew the virtue in waiting until the time was right.
They do and he's already being used in Agents of SHIELD.
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Well cap films remain essentially the same..
10 rings gets carried over to IM2.. Ideally, you sneak AIM into ironman1..
But you have them in ironman2, have them collect everything Obadiah did.. Hell you could have them get started there.. Or have Zola see an opportunity and bring in the scientist that worked for Obadiah.. Then just have everything flow from that
Justin hammer could have been a pawn.. Ditto Ivan vanko.. Would have rathered they went with crimson Dynamo
Like thanos, the mandarin shows up for a couple secs here and there as his plans unfold and we figure out his involvement
Graviton is being wasted.. Would love to see hulk go up against him On the big screen
10 rings gets carried over to IM2.. Ideally, you sneak AIM into ironman1..
But you have them in ironman2, have them collect everything Obadiah did.. Hell you could have them get started there.. Or have Zola see an opportunity and bring in the scientist that worked for Obadiah.. Then just have everything flow from that
Justin hammer could have been a pawn.. Ditto Ivan vanko.. Would have rathered they went with crimson Dynamo
Like thanos, the mandarin shows up for a couple secs here and there as his plans unfold and we figure out his involvement
Graviton is being wasted.. Would love to see hulk go up against him On the big screen
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According to reddit Michael Pena is signed on for two more movies. Good news to me. Will probably have a Falcon like contract where he re ups every movie or so.
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Agreed. Building up different organizations/villains for each hero gives a bigger payoff down the line. Like you said, you have The Mandarin and the Ten Rings for Iron Man, Hydra for Captain America, with maybe Zemo being the one behind it all, like The Mandarin would be for the Ten Rings, and Surter for Thor. Have Loki's actions in the first Thor film be partially due to an alliance with Surter, then have the Dark Elves in Dark World awakened by Surter, and you have him as the final villain during Ragnarok, with various cameos/mentions in-between. That way you can still have Loki hook up with Thanos at the end of the first film and leading into Avengers. Working and building on three smaller main villains, with Thanos as the overarching Big Bad of the Avengers, rather than just one hero, would have been much better. Adds extra worldbuilding and connects everything more.
Of course it also requires the writers to have a much larger plan going into things, which has always been an issue with writing.
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I'm still mad Marvel dropped the ball with Red Skull.
I think he could've been the lead for Avengers 1, but Loki was good.
I think he could've been the lead for Avengers 1, but Loki was good.
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The red skull actor was too busy acting like a diva. He would rather be in those weak hobbit movies.
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lol making bank and immortalized more so than he would be for redskull tho
am I the only one still made War Machine wasn't Terrance Howard anymore
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^ yea having redskull roll out in some capacity in WS would have been 
And then if you have 10 rings and mandarin heavily involved, when you get to doctor strange.. You can link them with that property too.. Maybe have the mandarin as a student who was casted out or something
But like I said, you could have all groups intertwined through all the movies and the universe.. AIM is science, hydra politics and 10 rings magic.. And you could do a masters of evil movie with zemo and villains from all groups (which would be heavily built up).. And with spiderman now added, you got his villains to connect to those groups too
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Just thinking about the shows.. The old lady in daredevil could have easily been somehow connected to the 10 rings and mandarin
And then if you have 10 rings and mandarin heavily involved, when you get to doctor strange.. You can link them with that property too.. Maybe have the mandarin as a student who was casted out or something
But like I said, you could have all groups intertwined through all the movies and the universe.. AIM is science, hydra politics and 10 rings magic.. And you could do a masters of evil movie with zemo and villains from all groups (which would be heavily built up).. And with spiderman now added, you got his villains to connect to those groups too
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Just thinking about the shows.. The old lady in daredevil could have easily been somehow connected to the 10 rings and mandarin
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Feige said earlier today he can't wait to put him into more films
Umberto from LR (has his own site now, heroic Hollywood) has a profile piece on grantland now
http://grantland.com/features/el-mayimbe-movie-news-leaker-comic-con/
Interesting read
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Possible first glimpse of the Spidey costume
http://heroichollywood.com/home-1/2015/7/23/is-this-our-first-glimpse-of-spider-mans-new-costume
Pretty sketchy account though lol about 90% sure it's fake but w/e
http://heroichollywood.com/home-1/2015/7/23/is-this-our-first-glimpse-of-spider-mans-new-costume
Pretty sketchy account though lol about 90% sure it's fake but w/e
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She's linked to Iron Fist.
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tony makes the weapons correct? why didnt he put a stop to them if theyre falling into the wrong hands?
isnt that why the twins go after him in the beginning?
or is he oblivious to whats happening with his tech?
havent seen IM in a long time but isnt he bombed by his own tech in the movie?
