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[|A-Man|]

Kang, huh? That'd be cool.

Yeah, he's the iconic Avenger villain. Can go cosmic and really mess with time.

 

[migu420]

Oh, I know, something about a thanos galactus brawl sounds dope too me, though.

 

[|A-Man|]

Oh, I know, something about a thanos galactus brawl sounds dope too me, though.

I think that's where they're going when Feige said the MCU will be more cosmic

Galactus, Annihilus, celestials, Phoenix force, etc. The rumored Eternals movie

Back on Earth gonna still need action.

It'll be interesting if Feige tries to shift the center of the MCU off the Avengers.

 

[migu420]

Maybe that's the big catch for disney with the x men and f4, they'll hold down the planet while they get the rest of that underway.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Just like Captain Marvel, I'm curious as to how they'll explain their absence during all of these crisis'

 

[|A-Man|]

Just like Captain Marvel, I'm curious as to how they'll explain their absence during all of these crisis'

Similar to my idea for Fox to get their **** together with F4 and X-Men and DC's clustering is the MCU just needs a movie event where the villain or eventual good guy warps reality on a universal scale.

Could technically do it now with the gauntlet. Like half the ppl brought back were brought back different.

Or could literally continue mirroring some of the Ultimate comics and just have them be introduced now but young. That's one way to dodge the question of where have they been all this time.

Doesn't work that well for older characters though. Wolverine for example.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

I don't read comics but I'm especially curious as to the X-Men story arc

It seems like the main theme in X-Men are Mutant rights and how they're discriminated against by humans. This theme seems like it would be too large to be ignored in the current story lines of the MCU. Like, the heros would have heard about this somehow in their individual story lines

Being that they won't be rolling out films for a while, it'll really be interesting to see how they explain it all

 

[hand2handking]

make the x men all black

 

[sb]

watching winter soldier. still goat marvel movie. not up for debate.

 

[jumpmanpro97]

AoU on USA channel right now Vision had so much power in this movie, why was he buns in IW?

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Did you just see it on t.v. like I did? lol

Not even in my top 3 but still a solid effort. I liked Civil War better but I see how folks hold it in such high regard

 

[nawghtyhare]

AoU on USA channel right now Vision had so much power in this movie, why was he buns in IW?

the p weakens u

 

[frink85]

Just like in the comics, throw in some alternate reality/alternate timeline BS to bring them in lol

For real, FF just make them go into space after A4. X-men you can say they hid from society until the snap and they had to come out of hiding

 

[migu420]

Sentinels? Maybe that's the answer that council is going to have for mutants?

 

[KingParappa]

AoU on USA channel right now Vision had so much power in this movie, why was he buns in IW?

Like I told my boy "You get stabbed by a spear and try to fight for real."

After he gets stabbed, he looks like his powers are going in and out. It's like he's trying to phase but can't? That stab just weakened the hell out of him.

 

[po2345]

Spoiler: A4 Plot Leak?

Avengers 4 plot LEAKED? Same anonymous source predicted Avengers Infinity War accurately

Anonymous writes: “Iron Man reassembles the Avengers and decides to build his own Infinity Gauntlet to undo everything that Thanos did.

“They recruit Ant-Man to help them travel through time and space using the Quantum Real to retrieve the Infinity Stones from different time periods.

“Thanos finds out about their plans and becomes hellbent on stopping them.

“The movie revolves around the relationship between Captain America and Iron Man.”

The leak continues: “At one point, Captain America and Thor fight Thanos.

“Timeline alterations have restored Mjolnir, and Cap wields it against Thanos to allow the others to escape, and is killed holding Thanos off.

“At one point, Hawkeye must protect the unfinished Stark Gauntlet from Thanos' minions. He plays an ‘instrumental’ role in Thanos' defeat.

“Thor's subplot centres on him assembling an army to challenge Thanos. Captain Marvel joins him.”


MARVEL

Will the Hulk wield the New Infinity Gauntlet?

The source added: “Hulk's subplot centres on Banner and Hulk finally merging to become Professor Hulk. He is the one that ultimately wields the Stark Gauntlet against Thanos, losing his arm in the process.

“Nebula's subplot centres on her efforts to redeem herself. At one point, she fights her murderous past self.

“Several MCU movies are revisited and retconned (probably not permanently), such as the Avengers retrieving the Power Stone creating a timeline where the Guardians of the Galaxy never came together.

“There's a pivotal scene between Doctor Strange and a fully CGI character being shot on a secret location, with a skeleton crew, and which takes up a sizeable portion of the budget.”


MARVEL

Captain America Will Die According to the Leak, but We're Not So Sure – Maybe Iron Man Instead?

They concluded: “Only two of the original Avengers (Cap, Stark, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye and Black Widow) meant to survive the movie. Cap dies.

“The title was AVENGERS: INFINITY GAUNTLET at one point, but it might be changed after Zoe Saldana accidentally leaked it.”

Avengers 4 is released in UK cinemas on April 26, 2019.

Ain't mad at this at all & i can def see a lot of this happening in A4.....

PO

 

[|A-Man|]

make the x men all black

Now this would be a statement.

About 50 years of appropriating the struggle and the only signature black hero they have is Storm. No black males worth mentioning.

 

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

"Guardians of the Galaxy never came together."



Im currently watching Thor 2. Nowhere near as bad as people claim

 

[hand2handking]

Spoiler

http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2013/12/what-if-the-x-men-were-black/

“The X-Men are hated, feared and despised collectively by humanity for no other reason than that they are mutants. So what we have here, intended or not, is a book that is about racism, bigotry and prejudice.”

- Longtime X-Men writer Chris Claremont

Imagine a work of fiction that focuses on the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s except that in this work, white men have replaced all of the people of color. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X both have white stand-ins and white followers. In fact, almost all of the characters are white men. It may seem bizarre, but this is the X-Men.

The first issue of X-Men was written by Stan Lee and published in 1963. The fictional world, which continues today in the Disney-owned Marvel Universe, featured super-powered teenagers who worked in a group as the X-Men. Unlike other characters that Stan Lee created, these teenagers do not become superheroes through a freak accident, but were instead born with a genetic mutation known as the x-gene that manifests as superpowers (“mutations”) around the time of puberty. They hide their identity as super powered humans for fear that they will be killed by angry mobs.

An image of mob violence from the Stan Lee and Steve Ditko era.

Stan Lee has explained that his main impetus for having the superheroes be mutants was that he wouldn’t have to invent origin stories for every new character. However, he also claims that the comparison to Civil Rights was present from the start. In a recent interview he said, “It not only made them different, but it was a good metaphor for what was happening with the civil rights movement in the country at that time.”

Since the original, largely unpopular episodes written by Stan Lee, dozens of other writers (most of them white men) have built and expanded the world of the X-Men. New characters were added, and the discrimination that mutants like the X-Men face in the Marvel Universe was developed. Over time, the dynamic of the “feared and hated” mutants who nevertheless defend ordinary humans has been used to explore different dynamics of power and privilege*. These include anti-Semitism, racism, and LGBT issues (ableism and sexism, though extremely relevant, are almost never addressed).

Noteworthy X-Men events with social implications include:

—The founding of Genosha, a fictional country where mutants are enslaved – a direct reference to Apartheid.
—A genocide of 16 million mutants.
—The development of a cure for the x-gene mutations, causing a schism in the mutant community.
—The spread of the Legacy Virus, a disease that targeted only mutants. The virus is a clear reference to the AIDS virus and its impact on the LGBT community.

Despite the flexibility of “mutantity” to be a stand in for various aspects of privilege, the Civil Rights movement and racism are topics that come up repeatedly in the X-Men comics and films. Professor X is repeatedly compared to Martin Luther King, and the dream of “peaceful integration.” Magneto, his enemy, advocates for violent mutant revolution and quotes Malcolm X**. Characters in the comic use the fictional slur “mutie” and compare it to racial slurs.


This sequence from God Loves, Man Kills by Chris Claremont shows how Storm and other nonwhite characters are used as props to legitimize the idea that the X-Men are an oppressed minority.

What’s disturbing about the series is that is that all of these issues are played out by a cast of characters dominated by wealthy, straight, cisgender, Christian, able-bodied, white men. The X-Men are the victims of discrimination for their mutant identity, with little or no mention of the huge privileges they enjoy.

Neil Shyminsky argues persuasively that playing out Civil Rights-related struggles with an all white cast allows the white male audience of the comics to appropriate the struggles of marginalized peoples. He concludes that, “While its stated mission is to promote the acceptance of minorities of all kinds, X-Men has not only failed to adequately redress issues of inequality – it actually reinforces inequality.”**


An unedited image from the comics.

I wanted to remix these stories and imagine what they could have been if they had dealt with actual instead of fictional dimensions of privilege. Searching through 50 years of X-Men comics, I selected a half dozen iconic images and scenes relating to discrimination. In these images, I edited the comics so that every mutant had a skin color that was some shade of brown.

In the alternate universe where the all mutants are black, many events in the X-Men history become actual social commentary because they are dealing with real dimensions of power. Reading about black teenagers standing up to a largely white mob is different than reading about white teenagers in the same situation. These images show that when the writers of the X-Men do comment on social issues, the meaning of these comments is hampered and distorted by the translations from reality to fantasy and fantasy back to reality.

Left, the original frames in which Colossus stands up to a mob. Right, the edited version of the same sequence from the project X-Men of Color.

Re-coloring the X-Men so that all mutants are people of color not only makes the themes of discrimination more relevant, it also introduces hundreds of non-white characters who are complex and fully realized. This is something that’s lacking from the current Marvel Universe. Why is Psylocke not only an Asian person of British descent, but also a ninja? Why is Storm not simply a mutant of color, but an African witch-priestess? As comics great Dwayne McDuffie said, “You only had two types of characters available for children. You had the stupid angry brute and the he’s-smart-but-he’s-black characters.” There’s certainly more roles for a non-white characters now than when he said that in 1993, but most super hero comics are written about characters that were invented decades ago. By recoloring the comics, we can grandfather characters into the Marvel Universe who are not defined by their race.


Before and after comparison of Emma Frost.

Simply changing the skin color of the mutants obviously doesn’t address all of the issues around privilege in the Marvel Universe. The visual and narrative sexism that permeates superhero comics remains intact. Some characteristics of white characters also become negative stereotypes when applied to non-white characters. Wolverine is a symbol of wild, untamed, white male power, but when I recolor his skin to imagine him as a person of color, his snarling, predatory aggression reads as a stereotype of wild black men. This is a great demonstration of the way that white male characters are free to inhabit any role, whereas centuries of accumulated stereotypes shape the way we understand people of color in fiction***.


An edited image from the series X-Men of Color.

Promoters of the X-Men have spent years trying to convince audiences that these white characters are tapping into the struggle of black Americans. Strange as the substitution of white men for black activists may seem, it’s not unique. Fantasy universes often comment on social issues through the veil of imaginary prejudices****. My goal is that by looking at these images people will question whether an invented minority is really the best way to understand our country’s history and practice of race-based violence.

You can find a few more images at my website.)

Other resources related to this issue:
More NonSense: No More Mutants by Michael Buntag http://nonsensicalwords.blogspot.com/2010/10/more-nonsense-no-more-mutants.html
We Have The Power To Change MARVEL and DC Comics: Support Diversity, Support Miles! by Jay Deitcher http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/edi...-comics-support-diversity-support-miles/44986

* The most appropriate metaphor for the original Stan Lee comics is probably invisible dimensions of power such as LGBT issues or religion. In the original comics, the X-Men hide their mutations in order to pass as humans (Angel uses belts to strap his wings down under a suit coat). In later generations, some of the mutants are visibly mutated to the point they could never pass as humans.

** Shyminsky also notes that recent generations of X-Men writers have reacted to the politics of appropriation in the series’ history. He cites Grant Morrison’s U-Men as an example.

***I think it’s interesting that the same characteristics that make Wolverine a white male icon are also regressive stereotypes of black men.

****I often think of house-elf slavery in Harry Potter, but it actually starts much earlier:

 

[everysingletime]

AoU on USA channel right now Vision had so much power in this movie, why was he buns in IW?

After that stab in the back he just wasn't the same

 

[SC kid]

If they can go back in time they don't need to do any of that
There's so much easier things they could do lol

 

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

Wonder if hulk wanna go back before the gamma exposure

 

[Fozz]

I think the closest thing Bradley Cooper has done any press for Marvel was GOTG 1, an appearance on Ellen showing him in the sound booth, and appearing at the IW premier.

 

[Fozz]

I don't read comics but I'm especially curious as to the X-Men story arc

It seems like the main theme in X-Men are Mutant rights and how they're discriminated against by humans. This theme seems like it would be too large to be ignored in the current story lines of the MCU. Like, the heros would have heard about this somehow in their individual story lines

Being that they won't be rolling out films for a while, it'll really be interesting to see how they explain it all

However they decide to introduce the MCU's mutant population will have to be from the beginning. I'm interested in seeing how Marvel will bring over the X-Men in the MCU.

I have a feeling we won't be seeing it anytime soon.

 

[tay1]

It's not really that hard to introduce them. They could've been operating in secret. In the early comics, there existance wasnt all that known.