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[filthyjiujitsu]

Have you seen the movie?

I don't know how could you be team Cap after this movie.

Even Chris Evans himself said he'll be Team IM if there are real avengers

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Even more Team Cap now. If the Avengers were real, Obama is pres, then yeah, sure. No way in the Marvel Universe tho. The powers that be are way too shady and unsecure. We forget about Hydra infiltration? Nah ah. This coming from someone who likes IM so much more than Cap.

 

[onlyXXVIII]

A little more than 48 hours and I will be drunk, reclining with a brew and watching this on the big screen. Its been real, fellas, we almost there

 

[beansietime]

I'll be going tomorrow at 630 and Thursday at 730. Tomorrow with a friend who got tickets from a promo at his car dealer, and Thursday with my kid. For the guys who have seen it already, nothing i should be worried about bringing my 8 year old to see?

 

[goldmember]

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Even more Team Cap now. If the Avengers were real, Obama is pres, then yeah, sure. No way in the Marvel Universe tho. The powers that be are way too shady and unsecure. We forget about Hydra infiltration? Nah ah. This coming from someone who likes IM so much more than Cap.

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To me, Cap acted very selfish and ignorant. He’s reasoning wasn’t very clear and didn’t make a lot of sense in the current situation. He was protecting Bucky yet they decided to put him back in frozen chamber at the end of the movie. I’m sure stark would’ve just comply to that idea in the first place and prevented the whole “fight “. BW said win their/UN trust first then they can probably do whatever they want. He still refused to that idea. At the end of the day, the UN wouldn’t be able to completely control them even if they put them in prison/raft. See how cap easily rescued the others from the raft. Cap was the one telling stark in AOU to “ fight together, die together “ and yet he wants to take on the “ winter soldiers” with only bucky after the airport scene. I bet his tone would’ve changed if he’s the one who gets confronted by spencers mom. Plus, are we really gonna act like BW and Tony out of all people will let be fully controlled by the gov’t. Really?. IM actually went by himself to see them after he learned about the “ winter soldiers” and tried to put their differences aside.

 

[filthyjiujitsu]

 

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To me, Cap acted very selfish and ignorant. He’s reasoning wasn’t very clear and didn’t make a lot of sense in the current situation. He was protecting Bucky yet they decided to put him back in frozen chamber at the end of the movie. I’m sure stark would’ve just comply to that idea in the first place and prevented the whole “fight “. BW said win their/UN trust first then they can probably do whatever they want. He still refused to that idea. At the end of the day, the UN wouldn’t be able to completely control them even if they put them in prison/raft. See how cap easily rescued the others from the raft. Cap was the one telling stark in AOU to “ fight together, die together “ and yet he wants to take on the “ winter soldiers” with only bucky after the airport scene. I bet his tone would’ve changed if he’s the one who gets confronted by spencers mom. Plus, are we really gonna act like BW and Tony out of all people will let be fully controlled by the gov’t. Really?. IM actually went by himself to see them after he learned about the “ winter soldiers” and tried to put their differences aside.

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You make good points. Wasn't exactly on board with Cap protecting Bucky that much. I still don't buy IM being that capable of fully overseeing the gov't after Hydra and Ultron happened.

My main take away.

Ant man 

Spidey felt like legit spiderman.

Black Panther is perfect.

Marvel showed DC how to properly do a VS movie.

 

[goldmember]

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You make good points. Wasn't exactly on board with Cap protecting Bucky that much. I still don't buy IM being that capable of fully overseeing the gov't after Hydra and Ultron happened.

My main take away.
Ant man 
Spidey felt like legit spiderman.
Black Panther is perfect.
Marvel showed DC how to properly do a VS movie.

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That's true but i think IM would've side with Cap at the end of the day IF he doesn't think the sokovia accords wasn't the way to go

Definitely agree with the BvS comparison I really want that movie to be good too SMH

 

[sb]

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heard ant man shows out

 

[IATT]

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Cap was only taking the stance he did for selfish reasons.. Basically came down to him saving Bucky and him being the one in control

The whole "safest hands are still our own" is arrogant and selfish.. "No man is an island"

and this dude going to war everytime someone disagrees with him?

From the first avengers dude was adverse to change "they didn't tell us what we lost"





Then dude has issues with fury about secrets in avengers and WS and all that then doesn't tell tony what happened with his parents because it's convenient for him

And even though the result was bad, Tony's right about thinking about the bigger problem to come.. Which also lead to vision eventually being alive, another change major Rodgers tried to fight




Dude never even tried actually trusting any of his teammates.. Only person since WS that knew rodgers was even looking for Bucky was the guy he had caught up in it, falcon.. He never tried being straight up with tony and have a rational conversation and ask for help

 

[KingParappa]

Its funny... The more these movies go on the more Tony becomes Cap and Vice Versa. Before Avengers 1, they'd be on the other side of the argument.

 

[IATT]

Nah.. Tony has legit rhyme and reason to go with his decisions

Cap took issue with fury in 2 movies about secrets.. Then had issue with tony for trying to deal with a problem we all know eventually coming





Yet cap is sneaking around for 3 movies looking for Bucky without saying shhhhhh to anyone other than what falcon and BW?

He never considered asking 1 of the smartest guys on the planet to help him not only find his friend.. But find a solution to the problem

 

[KingParappa]

I'm not saying he doesn't just saying if this was before Avengers 1, Cap would have sided with the Gov't and Tony wouldn't have. Its funny with time and perspective how the roles have changed.

 

[IATT]

I'm not saying he doesn't just saying if this was before Avengers 1, Cap would have sided with the Gov't and Tony wouldn't have. Its funny with time and perspective how the roles have changed.

I don't think it's that simple..

Ironman 2, they were trying to get their hands on his technology.. This is about oversight about the actions of individuals

I don't see this as blindly siding with the government and following orders

From ironman 1 Tony stopped handing his stuff blindly over to the government.. That doesn't mean he wasn't prepared to work together with them or answer to them





Cap was a goody two shoes and now anytime something comes up he literally goes back to the only example he got that wasn't black vs white clear as day

 

[IATT]

Cap is that girl that got cheated on by one dude and now all a sudden all men are the scum of the earth

 

[goldmember]

Cap is that girl that got cheated on by one dude and now all a sudden all men are the scum of the earth

It's so funny and true

 

[filthyjiujitsu]

Cap is that girl that got cheated on by one dude and now all a sudden all men are the scum of the earth

How you gonna just toss everything that happened in Winter Soldier so easily. Captain America was there for the Hydra fiasco when Stark was on vacay with Pepper. Cap knows better than IM when it comes to giving power to the wrong hands. If they handed over the power to Hydra, unknowingly. It would be a wrap for mankind. Stark just still feeling guilty about Ultron and is willing to say yes to the Gov for anything.


If you are equating hydra to an ex. This ex came back 70 years later from THE evil regime, wearing the skin of his new partner and came very close to ending half of the population out of their own sick logic. Excuse Cap for not being so forthgoing as Ultron unleashing, Stark is.

 

[IATT]

Stark just still feeling guilty about Ultron and is willing to say yes to the Gov for anything.

What is stark giving the UN/government other than oversight?

 

[filthyjiujitsu]

What is stark giving the UN/government other than oversight?

Easy. He's willing to fight Capt for the Gov.
Lucky, Hulk and Thor aren't on the planet.

 

[IATT]

What is stark giving the UN/government other than oversight?

Easy. He's willing to fight Capt for the Gov.
Lucky, Hulk and Thor aren't on the planet.

Didn't you watch the movie.. Wasn't that simple




Everything that went down was because of cap's involvement with Bucky.. Never did he try and seek the help of the actual smart people that he knows in his life

Without someone named stark there is no major Rodgers

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Tony was reasonable about everything up until he found out Bucky killed his parents AND cap knew.. He asked him multiple times a simple question and cap was a punk about it

Cap knew he was wrong

 

[IATT]

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Name the person with brains that he went to for help in any of the lasts 3 movies to help his friend..

Only time we see him go for help is in the after credits to this movie..

Bruce or tony, nope.. Maybe thor's knows of something, nope didn't ask.. Doctor who created vision's body, again nope.. Hell, vision

 

[...So]

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[filthyjiujitsu]

Didn't you watch the movie.. Wasn't that simple




Everything that went down was because of cap's involvement with Bucky.. Never did he try and seek the help of the actual smart people that he knows in his life

Without someone named stark there is no major Rodgers

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Tony was reasonable about everything up until he found out Bucky killed his parents AND cap knew.. He asked him multiple times a simple question and cap was a punk about it

Cap knew he was wrong

All that is great but I'm not arguing this point at all though.

Hydra wasn't Cap's fault and my point was, you were poo pooing it to being something minor. When it was anything but minor.

In that whole post I half jokingly added in

Stark just still feeling guilty about Ultron and is willing to say yes to the Gov for anything.

Cause the pre Ultron Stark wouldn't have been so quick to agree with the Gov on this.

 

[IATT]

Stark was about transparency.. His exact words regarding shield "an intelligence agency that fears intelligence"

And someone cheating in a relationship is signifigant.. However the point was not all things are exactly the same

Something bad happened to cap and now continuously questions everyone but himself, which is arrogant

Who the hell is he to think he has the answers for everything AND everyone





Again, it is an oversight initiative going to the UN.. Not shield or some private organization

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And weapons, secrets or abilities weren't part of the treaty.. They had the option to retire.. Hell they still had their free will


As cap said, regimes change.. They aren't joining the military, they could just dip if they disagree with what is said

 

[kvsm23vs24]

Antman killed it.

I'm really looking forward to Ant Man and the Wasp. Don't know crap about Hope, but she nice babe is playing her
I would of loved of Hank pym (Douglass) was in the film.

 

[Master Zik]

I'm not saying he doesn't just saying if this was before Avengers 1, Cap would have sided with the Gov't and Tony wouldn't have. Its funny with time and perspective how the roles have changed.

I don't think it's that simple..

Ironman 2, they were trying to get their hands on his technology.. This is about oversight about the actions of individuals

I don't see this as blindly siding with the government and following orders

From ironman 1 Tony stopped handing his stuff blindly over to the government.. That doesn't mean he wasn't prepared to work together with them or answer to them





Cap was a goody two shoes and now anytime something comes up he literally goes back to the only example he got that wasn't black vs white clear as day

Word in IM2 Tony at least went to the Senate hearings.

Cap made BW go to the one he should've

 

[IATT]

Corrupt senator's/hydra member's exact quote from ironman2:

Senator Stern: "My priority is to get the Iron Man weapon turned over to the people of the United States of America."





Ironman 3, tony improves rhodey's suit to help him protect the president.. WS tony helped shield upgrade their equipment, probably thinking fury and cap could handle that

Hell, maybe a phone call to tony during WS could have ended that whole thing pretty quickly considering he's the smartest with computers and all that.. I mean he was the one they sent to the nexus center after all