Wasn't New York City More Grimey In The 80s & 90s In Constrast To Now

[larryeastwood]

Too be honest I kinda wish Baltimore would push this gentrification movement more seriously. Can't even go out downtown with out the youngns trying to wild out. And that's supposed to be our main tourist attraction

 

[knowledgebones72]

Bruh I work in Baltimore. I'm there everyday.

That is one GARBAGE city.

It's so cheap to live there, yet no one wants to live there.

Half the city is boarded up.

Baltimore needs to get gentrified.

I feel guilty walking around during the day for just having a job. People out there just seem like they gave up or they're just incredibly mad at the world.

Monument street SUCKS. That market is the saddest and most uncomfortable thing place ever.

Only place I would want to live is around North Chalres street. And it's full of hipsters and college students so that kinda proves the whole gentrification point.

 

[scotthallwithapick]

Def need that "My Brooklyn" DVD

 

[aNYone]

How did I know you would be in here ******** on The Bronx

THIS is "current" Bronx.



















Don't confuse the south Bronx and other small pockets with the rest of the borough.

If you truly ventured into the borough, you'd see they're more good parts than bad parts.

THANK YOU 

 

[ksteezy]

you seriously can't be that naive can you?

if a certain demographic is priced outta their neighborhood, they're taking ALL of their culture with them...

if all da chinese got displaced by da soho/noho hipster overflow their wouldn't be Chinatown restaturants that host their ethnic foods and cater to that group.

gentrifiyers are people that take ADVANTAGE of da fact that da working class took a hood that was run down, made it serviceable and thrive

and then they wanna come and price everyone out...opportunity vultures.

my hood for example has been on da upswing, NOT because of gentfiyers trying to price everyone out, but by OUR OWN PEOPLE investing into our community

and bringing up da quality of life ourselves with restaurants, clubs, lounges, stores, etc. that all cater to us.

Can't front, you gotta appreciate the heights for this...no outsider came in and changed things up, old school drug lords, laundered their money and set up tons of businesses, dudes like Fernando Mateo came through and built the strip in Dyckman and changed the face of uptown for the best and although it created some issues for the locals, mainly parking and mobility it has turned a neighborhood that in the past was a dump into a very desirable and one of the best restaurant spots in the city, without running anyone out of their affordable apartments.

 

[-Red-]

Bruh I work in Baltimore. I'm there everyday.

That is one GARBAGE city.

It's so cheap to live there, yet no one wants to live there.

Half the city is boarded up.

Baltimore needs to get gentrified.

I feel guilty walking around during the day for just having a job. People out there just seem like they gave up or they're just incredibly mad at the world.

Monument street SUCKS. That market is the saddest and most uncomfortable thing place ever.

Only place I would want to live is around North Chalres street. And it's full of hipsters and college students so that kinda proves the whole gentrification point.

Is that the only way to address the issues facing Baltimore, though? To get rid of all of the people currently in the city and bring new people in?

 

[joepac12]

Damn I was just on monument st. Harsh words for my hometown lol. But I agree baltimore is in bad shape. And the market got some good food. You wouldn't know tho being an outsider lol

 

[ksteezy]

Monday, what part of the BX is that?...the best areas of te Bronx are CountryClub and riverdale, neither of which consider themselves to be part of the borough, other than that the only other area that has some quality to it is the outskirts of throgsneck....other than that....the Bronx is an absolute classless dump and I grew up there.

 

[al audi]

Yea I wouldn't live in the BX. I plan on movin to Stamford next year,.close enough to NYC.

 

[knowledgebones72]

Damn I was just on monument st. Harsh words for my hometown lol. But I agree baltimore is in bad shape. And the market got some good food. You wouldn't know tho being an outsider lol

Everyone tells me it's good but what if I don't want a chicken box or a sandwich or breakfast? Literally every stand at the market sells those three things.

 

[aNYone]

Monday, what part of the BX is that?...the best areas of te Bronx are CountryClub and riverdale, neither of which consider themselves to be part of the borough, other than that the only other area that has some quality to it is the outskirts of throgsneck....other than that....the Bronx is an absolute classless dump and I grew up there.

Dang the entire borough though

. I wouldnt say classless but i see where youre coming from though

.  We couldnt shake the filth of the 80s and 90's as well BK and Manhattan being that it was ground zero. and those pics are def in the north north bronx probably riverdale which is basically Westcheter. 

 

[jbpkickz]

baltimore is on the upswing albeit very slow, they had the grand prix this weekend, added a lot more places down by the inner harbor, the biggest challenge is the surrounding areas outside the harbor are still in horrible condition with the drugs and abandoned row homes

 

[joepac12]

Everyone tells me it's good but what if I don't want a chicken box or a sandwich or breakfast? Literally every stand at the market sells those three things.

Lol yeah I feel you. Limited selection. Next time u in town try out nicks on Washington blvd. good rotisserie chicken and sides. Also try shareefs. It's a halal place off Franklin st.

 

[knowledgebones72]

Imma take those suggestions.

I wanna be clear, as much as I was talking bad about Baltimore it def has potential and if it remains as cheap as it is I might actually move out there.

It's just that the bad parts are so out in the open. Like the hood is one block away from everything nice no matter where you are.

It seems like real serious and depressing poverty is such a major part of Baltimore's culture.

 

[ninjahood]

I think the main problem with gentrification that everybody's stepping around or missing is that it's happening in ethnic neighborhoods and its turning them white. It's the "why can't you be more like us" mentality instead of developing neighborhoods into better-funded versions of themselves.

bingo.

Washington heights from da most part is being revitalized from within, instead of outsiders just coming in and moving everyone out..there's TONS of dominican

owned businesses that cater to da Dominican demographic which brings a cycle of economic shield from these gentrifyers...

 

[knowledgebones72]

I think the main problem with gentrification that everybody's stepping around or missing is that it's happening in ethnic neighborhoods and its turning them white. It's the "why can't you be more like us" mentality instead of developing neighborhoods into better-funded versions of themselves.

bingo.

Washington heights from da most part is being revitalized from within, instead of outsiders just coming in and moving everyone out..there's TONS of dominican

owned businesses that cater to da Dominican demographic which brings a cycle of economic shield from these gentrifyers...

The problem is that African Americans simply don't do this except for barbershops and the odd Caribbean food spot / barbecue spot.

 

[cedric ceballos]

bingo.

Washington heights from da most part is being revitalized from within, instead of outsiders just coming in and moving everyone out..there's TONS of dominican

owned businesses that cater to da Dominican demographic which brings a cycle of economic shield from these gentrifyers...

That's a good thing too. You can see the heights/dyckman is improving from within as opposed to hipsters moving in and reaping the benifits of the area improving at the expense of those who lived there for years.

On a side note I just found out that vin scully (dodgers announcer for the past 60 seasons or so) is from the heights. Mind blown lol

 

[rell826]

A lot of that "reinvesting" was drug money that was laundered. More so about them keeping that money than caring about the neighborhood.

 

[-Red-]

Is that the only way to address the issues facing Baltimore, though? To get rid of all of the people currently in the city and bring new people in?

Everything at the end of the day is politics and money.

It could take decades / generations to change a cities "view" and mind set.

Or move everyone out and replace them in 5-10 years.

Which would you do?

You're absolutely correct, everything at the end of the day is politics and money. The people in these communities lack political capital and money. The state and the private sector have all but entirely abandoned large sections of these cities.

So I'm not talking about changing people's "views" or "mindset." I'm talking about changing people's fundamental exclusion from political processes and their material poverty. It seems as though some of y'all "care" about these cities as some sort of abstract entity devoid of actual living, breathing human beings. My concern is the people in these cities and what happens to them...

 

[ninjahood]

da way da Bronx is now is da way all of NYC used to be in da 90's...da Bronx in da 90's used to look like Camden NJ right now....

How did I know you would be in here ******** on The Bronx

THIS is "current" Bronx.



















Don't confuse the south Bronx and other small pockets with the rest of the borough.

If you truly ventured into the borough, you'd see they're more good parts than bad parts.

oh yeah? son dont come here with them WASP hoods that have ALWAYS existed in da bronx,

The South Bronx is an area of the New York City borough of The Bronx, in the U.S. state of New York. The geographic definitions of the South Bronx have evolved and are disputed but certainly include the neighborhoods of Mott Haven and Melrose. The neighborhoods of Tremont, University Heights, Highbridge, Morrisania, Soundview, Hunts Point, Longwood and Castle Hill are sometimes considered part of the South Bronx.

The South Bronx is part of New York's 16th Congressional District, the poorest Congressional district in the United States. The South Bronx is served by the NYPD's 40th,[sup][1][/sup] 41st,[sup][2][/sup] 42nd,[sup][3][/sup] 44th,[sup][4][/sup] and 48th[sup][5][/sup] Precincts. The South Bronx is also known worldwide as the place of birth of hip-hop culture.[sup][6][/sup][sup][7][/sup][sup][8][/sup][sup][9][/sup][sup][1[/sup][sup][11][/sup][sup][12][/sup]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Bronx

and my original point wasn't even a shot at da BX, just cuz it still looks like its in da 90's doesn't mean thats a bad thing, cuz it would've still looked like da 70's and 80's

when it was da 90's.....

etc, etc, etc....

 

[Mark Antony]

Used to roll alk over the Bronx as a kid with my pops in the 90s. It qas a trip seeing the contrast.

Baychester and Pelham got gems

 

[mondaynightraw]

The South Bronx is an area of the New York City borough of The Bronx, in the U.S. state of New York. The geographic definitions of the South Bronx have evolved and are disputed but certainly include the neighborhoods of Mott Haven and Melrose. The neighborhoods of Tremont, University Heights, Highbridge, Morrisania, Soundview, Hunts Point, Longwood and Castle Hill are sometimes considered part of the South Bronx.
The South Bronx is part of New York's 16th Congressional District, the poorest Congressional district in the United States. The South Bronx is served by the NYPD's 40th,[SUP][1][/SUP] 41st,[SUP][2][/SUP] 42nd,[SUP][3][/SUP] 44th,[SUP][4][/SUP] and 48th[SUP][5][/SUP] Precincts. The South Bronx is also known worldwide as the place of birth of hip-hop culture.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][1[/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Bronx

Don't confuse the south Bronx and other small pockets with the rest of the borough.

 

[ninjahood]

I think the main problem with gentrification that everybody's stepping around or missing is that it's happening in ethnic neighborhoods and its turning them white. It's the "why can't you be more like us" mentality instead of developing neighborhoods into better-funded versions of themselves.

bingo.

Washington heights from da most part is being revitalized from within, instead of outsiders just coming in and moving everyone out..there's TONS of dominican

owned businesses that cater to da Dominican demographic which brings a cycle of economic shield from these gentrifyers...

The problem is that African Americans simply don't do this except for barbershops and the odd Caribbean food spot / barbecue spot.

yup, cats in harlem dont wanna own anything, which makes it so much easier to get pushed out by people who wanna take it over...

fulton street mall for da most part and fordham road in da bx is where people DO own things, which make it harder to move that demographic...my brooklyn

shows that fight with boots on da ground.

 

[ninjahood]

A lot of that "reinvesting" was drug money that was laundered. More so about them keeping that money than caring about the neighborhood.

listen to da that...

no one shames miami for being what is is now thanks to that cocaine money that got reinvested.

 

[timbo109]

Just jumping in here.
You as a gentrifier may not see it (as you often don't), but the spirit and feeling of a neighborhood changes whenever gentrification happens.
Does poverty, crime, drugs, dirtiness, and other negatives of the hood go away? Absolutely.
But then there is the "vibe", "aura", whatever goofy synonym of those words you'd like to use.
For example, I live in Lefferts/East Flatbush (on the border) in Brooklyn.  This neighborhood is majority Caribbean immigrant and Caribbean American.
Since about 2008/9 every year the number of White, Asian, and Indian (from India) permanent residents in the neighborhood has increased.  As a result,
Labor Day Parade (also known as NYC West Indian Day Parade aka NYC Carnival) has been significantly dampened. People are being unfairly pushed out of their homes
because landlords want to make space for rent hikes.  People feel like any minute they are on the street.  Summer parties aren't what they used to be (damn noise complaints).
The feeling of the neighborhood is different.

you do realize that the Caribbean immigrants who are being priced out of the neighborhood were relatively recently newcomers to the neighborhood themselves, right? A couple of generations living in the same neighborhood doesn't give a group permanent rights to that neighborhood. It's xenophobia disguised by people playing the economic victim.