Was MJ an average athlete??

Surprised we haven't seen a Larry Bird overrated thread yet. Or even a Magic Johnson one.

true.
Both were great players with much skills to lead a team, having great court vision and Larry Bird was extremely cluth,
But in terms of athletism they would be average max nowadays.
 


I'll just leave this here about good ole Bill. Bill Walton is highly overrated and his contributions to the game are from College and Post NBA hosting.
 
true.
Both were great players with much skills to lead a team, having great court vision and Larry Bird was extremely cluth,
But in terms of athletism they would be average max nowadays.
Athleticism never was Larrys strong point but he still dominated anyway in a tough era. Magic was supremely athletic tho. Not to mention a 6'9 PG. Larry and Magic would do more damage in the NBA today than they did in the 80s.
 
I guess alot of people don't even know Larry Bird is regarded as the biggest trash talker of all time by the way. Dude wasn't just out there shootin jumpers. He was telling u about it while he was doing it to u. :lol
 
You say that as if Dirk was a center....

I should probably make a thread..
 
Watch "Larry Bird: ESPN SportsCentury Documentary" on YouTube

nothing to debate about Bird and Dirk
 
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Buggin, man. Bird was arguably the best player in the game at it's height. Underrated athlete, played a power position early in his career, played defense on the opposite teams best player.
And the list could go on and on about Bird's game. Only thing him and Dirk have in common is they are both White. Other than that they have two COMPLETELY different games.
 
I've been using the word romanticize so much lately but it's necessary here too.

The idea that Bird and Dirk don't share any similarities is ludicrous. They absolutely do...to a degree. The things that Dirk's great at, are things that Bird was great at as well. The difference is that the vice versa isn't true. The things Bird was great at, are things that Dirk isn't / wasn't. I.E. putting the ball on the floor, creating for others, rebounding, defense, etc.
 
Bird is and was one of my favorite players of all time.
 
are people really comparing dirk to bird? they are both white. they both have a sweet shot. bird was insanely competitive and athletic and had angry man westbrook complex while dirk gave up his contract so chandler parsons can get paid... bird is probably top 5 or else a top 10 lock... dirk's great but he shouldn't be compared to bird. 
 
I don't think I've ever seen a passer like Bird - he could just see things before anyone else could. He's an under-rated defender too - again, he just knew what someone was going to do practically before they did.
 
I don't think I've ever seen a passer like Bird - he could just see things before anyone else could. He's an under-rated defender too - again, he just knew what someone was going to do practically before they did.
magic...
 
I dunno. Magic clearly had more style but I think Bird was better. Close though.
 
A phenomemal watch.
Watch "Magic & Bird - A Courtship of Rivals HD" on YouTube
 
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