it's not about being american or an avenger. your whole point on this debate was not overstepping on other countries sovereignty.
so its okay for everyone to get involved but not Americans and Avengers?
South Korea stay quiet? idk bro, King T'Challa didn't let them know of their plans.
yeah they 2 different people, but it seems like the way T'Challa acted, he wouldnt sign the accords either cause he cant be going to other countries going after Klau.
What about King T'Chaka sending spies like KillMongers dad (resulted in Black Market Vibranium) in Oakland and several parts of the world? isn't that overstepping on other countries sovereignty.
oh the irony.
Every country capable practices spycraft or spywarfare in foreign countries.
You don't ask other countries to allow your spies to spy on them. That defeats the purpose
Matter fact the CIA estimates there are mire foreign spies in America than there has ever been.
Spying isnt the same thing as having operatives on foreign soil executing high risk missions in public. Even among countries with allies theres a limit to that.
We don't really know the public relations of Wakanda and South Korea (I would assume they are allies). Regardless T'Challa is a sovereign king of a foreign nation and thus has the privilege of diplomatic immunity as well as his Royal guard the Dora Milaje.
if they didnt sign the accords, they would be unified also in Infinity War.
No. They wouldnt have.
They would've all been forced in to retirement or be declared criminals and be arrested or become fugitives on the run. Falcon straight up said it's been a tough few years in IW. Wanda would've been deported. Probably Natasha too.
Tony or Bruce would be lucky if they ended up with Vision in their custody.
There would be no Avengers.
People seem to forget the facts. The reason the accords exist is directly tied to the Winter Soldier and there no longer being a SHIELD. In Avengers, SHIELD and its director Nick Fury were what held the Avengers accountable, gathered them for a mission and did all the burecratic work necessary.
Now Rogers was like no more SHIELD and thought he could be on the same reckless bull **** he was on in Avengers and Winter Soldier.
That's not how the world works.
But its the government, bro. it would set a precedent. what makes you think they would stop at that eventually. its a slippery slope that would turn into some Hydra ****.
No its not just the government. Its the United Nations. Its every government in that group saying you cant just globetrot country to country wrecking ****. What theyre saying is the slippery slope is letting the Avengers do whatever they want and possibly end up with something worse than the Battle of New York or Sokovia.
they were both wrong man, Steve is gone now after EndGame, but i still think that the Avengers going forward shouldnt have a governing body.
No. One of them were wrong. Clearly. Steve Rogers. Tony straight up said if we get out in front of it we will have a say and he clearly did given how he was capable to do what he needed to do in Homecoming and Infinity War.
Tony's Mistake was signing onto the accords right away cause of his guilt doing ULTRON.
Steve's Mistake was not telling Tony about Howard and his over infatuation with his BFF Bucky.
Again no. Tony didn't sign solely out of guilt. He perfectly understood the situation. There is no more SHIELD to be held accountable as well as the Avengers.
They couldve found a common ground, but the Sokovia Accords wasnt it, dawg.
Steve didnt want to find common ground and the Sokovia accords definitely were it. With them signing it they all would've had a say in what they do instead of being told where and when they could do anything.
Rogers chose to be a criminal. That was the wrong choice.
