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No. He was a great dunker and had a few very good seasons with the Raptors and Nets..after that he became irrelevant quick. Never did become the great player I thought he would be for some reason.
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Originally Posted by CashBanks
I don't see why not he's on the same level as a Reggie or Dominique in my eyes really good player who had great moments but just never got it done dudes in here trippin IMO
Originally Posted by calibeebee
Originally Posted by quik1987
Why not, Dominique made it
Dominique averaged 25+ points per game for 10 consecutive seasons, including a 30.7 ppg season. Dominique was a lock based on this alone. I guess Vince has olympic gold, and rookie of the year under his belt, but I think he has no shot in hell unless he gets into broadcasting or something like that
If only slam magazine had influence on who made it into the hall, Iverson, Tmac, and Vince would be first ballot
Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ
Can't we just make like a ______ will be in the hall of fame thread and every few pages somebody dumb suggests a player that has no shot or stupidly brings up a player that hasn't been in the league nearly long enough and is just a prisoner of the moment?
Originally Posted by hoosiergunner
Nique gets no respect. If it wasn't for Jordan, he would be top 10 all time.
Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
More like the Hall of Lame.
Originally Posted by maddog345
No, he's not making the HOF. He's the one of the best dunkers we've seen to ever play the game. During his prime years, he could score with the best of them. Not to mention his clutchness is unmatched. But his career accoclades don't match up with a HOF career.
Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest
He'd probably quit before making his speech.
NBA & ABA Active Leaders and Records for Hall of Fame Probability
Leaders and Records: Career [emoji]9642[/emoji] Active
Click on the Player for career statistics and accomplishments.
Active players are listed in bold.
Members of the Hall of Fame are marked with an asterisk (*).
Minimum 400 NBA games played [emoji]9642[/emoji] Explanation of Hall of Fame probability
[table][tr][th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Player[/th][th=""]HoF Prob[/th][/tr][tr][td]1.[/td][td]Kobe Bryant[/td][td]1.0000[/td][/tr][tr][td]2.[/td][td]Tim Duncan[/td][td]0.9999[/td][/tr][tr][td]3.[/td][td]Kevin Garnett[/td][td]0.9985[/td][/tr][tr][td]4.[/td][td]LeBron James[/td][td]0.9941[/td][/tr][tr][td]5.[/td][td]Dwyane Wade[/td][td]0.9917[/td][/tr][tr][td]6.[/td][td]Dirk Nowitzki[/td][td]0.9882[/td][/tr][tr][td]7.[/td][td]Paul Pierce[/td][td]0.9836[/td][/tr][tr][td]8.[/td][td]Jason Kidd[/td][td]0.9613[/td][/tr][tr][td]9.[/td][td]Ray Allen[/td][td]0.9382[/td][/tr][tr][td]10.[/td][td]Chris Paul[/td][td]0.8408[/td][/tr][tr][td]11.[/td][td]Vince Carter[/td][td]0.8135[/td][/tr][tr][td]12.[/td][td]Dwight Howard[/td][td]0.7209[/td][/tr][tr][td]13.[/td][td]Tony Parker[/td][td]0.7121[/td][/tr][tr][td]14.[/td][td]Carmelo Anthony[/td][td]0.6898[/td][/tr][tr][td]15.[/td][td]Chris Bosh[/td][td]0.6789[/td][/tr][tr][td]16.[/td][td]Pau Gasol[/td][td]0.6356[/td][/tr][tr][td]17.[/td][td]Amare Stoudemire[/td][td]0.6027[/td][/tr][tr][td]18.[/td][td]Tracy McGrady[/td][td]0.5822[/td][/tr][tr][td]19.[/td][td]Steve Nash[/td][td]0.5761[/td][/tr][tr][td]20.[/td][td]Grant Hill[/td][td]0.4069[/td][/tr][tr][td]21.[/td][td]Shawn Marion[/td][td]0.3368[/td][/tr][tr][td]22.[/td][td]Gilbert Arenas[/td][td]0.2491[/td][/tr][tr][td]23.[/td][td]Deron Williams[/td][td]0.2428[/td][/tr][tr][td]24.[/td][td]Chauncey Billups[/td][td]0.2387[/td][/tr][tr][td]25.[/td][td]Joe Johnson[/td][td]0.1883[/td][/tr][/table]
81 Percent chance is not as bad as you guys in here are saying. Then again the sports knowledge in the S&T forum as a whole is pretty suspect. This forum is built on homerism and hate...you can rarely find an nice objective based discussion in here.
[h1]Hall of Fame Probability[/h1]
Explanation [emoji]9642[/emoji] CareerLeaders [emoji]9642[/emoji] Active Leaders
[h2]Introduction[/h2]
What statistics or accomplishments have the Hallof Fame voters deemed to be most important? This question can beanswered using a technique called logistic regression. The logisticregression model is a binary response model where the response isclassified as either a "success" (in this case, being elected to the Hallof Fame) or a "failure" (not being elected to the Hall of Fame). One ormore predictor variables are selected and the resulting model can be usedto predict the probability of a success given certain values of thepredictor(s).
[h2]Building the Model[/h2]
For the Hall of Fame problem, I tried to use as many predictor variables asI could think of, but I did not use statistics that have not been kept formost of the NBA's history (e.g., steals). My player pool consisted ofplayers who had played a minimum of 400 NBA games and had been eligiblefor at least one Hall of Fame election. After trying numerous models, myfinal model had seven predictor variables:
All of the predictors listed above were significant at the 0.05 level.Other than height, all of the predictors had positive coefficients. ABAstatistics, honors, and championships were not important predictors ofHall of Fame status, which is why I only used NBA statistics in my finalmodel. I don't like ignoring the ABA statistics, but that's what thevoters have apparently done. Keep in mind that my goal was not todetermine who <="" span=""> in the Hall ofFame, but rather who is likely to be inthe Hall of Fame.
- height (in inches)
- last season indicator (1 if 1959-60 or before, 0 otherwise)
- NBA points per game
- NBA rebounds per game
- NBA assists per game
- NBA All-Star game selections
- NBA championships won
The table below gives the parameter estimates of the coefficients for eachof the seven predictors:
[h2]Example[/h2]Code:height -0.1771last season indicator 3.1498NBA points per game 0.3433NBA rebounds per game 0.4193NBA assists per game 0.3327NBA All-Star game selections 0.5626NBA championships won 0.9151
The parameter estimates given in the previous section can be used to obtainthe predicted probability of Hall of Fame election for a particularplayer. I will go through an example using Jo Jo White. Find the values of theseven predictor variables for White, multiply them by the coefficientsgiven in the table above, and find the sum of the products:
To find the predicted probability of Hall of Fame election, do thefollowing:Code:height -0.1771 * 75 = -13.2825last season indicator 3.1498 * 0 = 0NBA points per game 0.3433 * 17.2031 = 5.9058NBA rebounds per game 0.4193 * 3.9964 = 1.6757NBA assists per game 0.3327 * 4.8925 = 1.6277NBA All-Star game selections 0.5626 * 7 = 3.9382NBA championships won 0.9151 * 2 = 1.8302---------------------------------------------------------- 1.6951
Based on Jo Jo White's statistics and accomplishments, the probability thathe has been elected to the Hall of Fame is 0.845.Code:P(HoF election) = 1 / (1 + e**(-(1.6951))) = 0.845
[h2]Summary[/h2]
Hall of Fame probabilities are presented for all players with a minimum of400 NBA games played. Although it can be risky to make predictions foractive players, you can think of these probabilities as answering thequestion "If this player retired today, what is the probability he wouldbe elected to the Hall of Fame?". The model was built using a pool of 750players. One method to assess classification accuracy is to compare theestimated Hall of Fame probability for the case to the actual result. Ofthe 750 players, 89 had been elected to the Hall of Fame and 661 had not.If the player's predicted probability of election was greater than orequal to 0.5, I predicted that he was in the Hall of Fame. Of the 89players in the Hall of Fame, 74 were correctly classified (83.1%) and 15were not (16.9%). Of the 661 players not in the Hall of Fame, 651 werecorrectly classified (98.5%) and 10 were not (1.5%). Overall, 725 of the750 players (96.7%) were correctly classified by the model.
Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs
81 Percent chance is not as bad as you guys in here are saying. Then again the sports knowledge in the S&T forum as a whole is pretty suspect. This forum is built on homerism and hate...you can rarely find an nice objective based discussion in here.
I sure hope so, I really do. I just know that stern hates his guts so maybe he could prevent him from getting there so easy. But yeah I can't see a former MVP not gettting inOriginally Posted by Super Producer J
Originally Posted by calibeebee
Originally Posted by quik1987
Why not, Dominique made it
Dominique averaged 25+ points per game for 10 consecutive seasons, including a 30.7 ppg season. Dominique was a lock based on this alone. I guess Vince has olympic gold, and rookie of the year under his belt, but I think he has no shot in hell unless he gets into broadcasting or something like that
If only slam magazine had influence on who made it into the hall, Iverson, Tmac, and Vince would be first ballot
Dog, Iverson IS a first ballot HOFer though.