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[shogun]

Had a lot of Jewish students at my school but we never read Anne Frank in any English class or spent too much time on holocaust stuff in history class.

 

[Present]

I'm a teacher I do both.

As a teacher - what do you think of what's going on in Virginia? Will the teachers allow this to stand? Can teachers even strike?

Virginia Gov. Youngkin Sets Up Email 'Tip line' To Report Teachers, Schools

Critics say the move could chill classroom debate, and is likely vulnerable to legal challenges.

dcist.com

 

[Comparison Ford]

I know I just already have a beef with the large Holocaust curriculum.

What does this even mean?

 

[Mark Antony]

I'm a teacher I do both.

 

[shogun]

Sometimes I read posts on nt and it's stuff meyers leonard would like.

 

[trynafeelmink]

I can't even imagine what the average school curriculum will look like in ten years at this rate

 

[WASHED KING]

As a teacher - what do you think of what's going on in Virginia? Will the teachers allow this to stand? Can teachers even strike?

Virginia Gov. Youngkin Sets Up Email 'Tip line' To Report Teachers, Schools

Critics say the move could chill classroom debate, and is likely vulnerable to legal challenges.

dcist.com

In Virginia now. Doesn't scare me. Barely got enough people to keep places running let alone start firing people.

It's just for show. All bark no bite.

What does this even mean?

It's more to American History than dead white men and WW2.

 

[rolaholic]

I can't even imagine what the average school curriculum will look like in ten years at this rate

Gonna be not too dissimilar to North Korea in some parts of the country

 

[trynafeelmink]

Gonna be not too dissimilar to North Korea in some parts of the country

Growing up & realizing just how much school lied/withheld info + really zeroed in on shaping narratives.

One of the biggest fears of potentially becoming a parent, is having to trust current society to guide their thoughts

 

[shogun]

Ok.

 

[gry60]

It's easier to speak on foreign genocide than domestic one's . That's why it's important to give your kids the truth outside of school.

No country, large or small, is honest about the dark episodes of its past. Look at how Japan sugarcoats the deeds of their imperial period, or how Turkey still talks about the Armenian genocide.

I'm a teacher I do both.

I'm curious, how do you deal with the campaign of erasure of non-white US history that is currently going on in 2/3 of this country? For example, New Hampshire has laws in the books that allow random people to sue schools for monetary damages if they allow teachers to introduce "uncomfortable" topics in the classroom. A number of states have also introduced similar legislation to kill the discussion on American history, systemic racism, and WASP supremacy.

Can we, ignored parents, also sue schools for not teaching our histories?

 

[Present]

 

[Present]

No country, large or small, is honest about the dark episodes of its past. Look at how Japan sugarcoats the deeds of their imperial period, or how Turkey still talks about the Armenian genocide.

I'm curious, how do you deal with the campaign of erasure of non-white US history that is currently going on in 2/3 of this country? For example, New Hampshire has laws in the books that allow random people to sue schools for monetary damages if they allow teachers to introduce "uncomfortable" topics in the classroom. A number of states have also introduced similar legislation to kill the discussion on American history, systemic racism, and WASP supremacy.

Can we, ignored parents, also sue schools for not teaching our histories?

Crazy that "they" are actually proving the validity of the very thing they claim doesn't exist.

"Critical Race Theory (CRT), intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. Critical race theorists are generally dedicated to applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other unjust hierarchies."

Critical Race Theory (at its core) exposes the link between racism and laws, and provides concrete evidence of the use of laws to support racism.

Hit dogs will always holler. Dog whistle indeed.

 

[uncalled4boy]

 

[superantigen]

I can't even imagine what the average school curriculum will look like in ten years at this rate

Fahrenheit 451, except only works that challenge the white status quo will be purged.

...

 

[computersputin]

Honestly don't remember learning much about the holocaust in school outside of a footnote on the outcomes of WWII.

 

[703 hwy]

In Virginia now. Doesn't scare me. Barely got enough people to keep places running let alone start firing people.

It's just for show. All bark no bite.



It's more to American History than dead white men and WW2.

Word. My son attends a FCPS high school and around the county they basically letting able body people fill in for teachers.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Whoopi Goldberg’s American Idea of Race

The “racial” distinctions between master and slave may be more familiar to Americans, but they were and are no more real than those between Gentile and Jew.

www.theatlantic.com

It made sense, to the New York Daily News sports editor, that these guys dominated basketball. After all, “the game places a premium on an alert, scheming mind and flashy trickiness, artful dodging and general smartalecness,” not to mention their “God-given better balance and speed.”

He was referring, of course, to the Jews.

In the 1930s, Paul Gallico was trying to explain away Jewish dominance of basketball. He came up with the idea that the game’s structure simply appealed to the immutable traits of wily Hebrews and their scheming minds. It sounds strange to the ear now, but only because our stereotypes about who is inherently good at particular sports have shifted. His theory is not any more or less insightful now than it was then; his confidence should remind us to be skeptical of similar, supposedly explanatory arguments that abound today.

Looking back at old stereotypes is a useful exercise; it can help illustrate the arbitrary nature of the concept of “race,” and how such identities shift even as people insist on their permanence and infallibility. Because race is not real, it is malleable enough to be made to serve the needs of those with the power to define it, the certainties of one generation giving way to the contradictory dogmas of another.

Whoopi Goldberg, the actor and a co-host of The View, stumbled into a public-relations nightmare for ABC on Monday when she insisted that “the Holocaust wasn’t about race.” After an episode of The Late Show With Stephen Colbert aired in which she opined that “the Nazis were white people, and most of the people they were attacking were white people,” she was temporarily suspended from The View. She has apologized for her remarks.

Adam Serwer: White nationalism’s deep American roots

I don’t mean to pile on Goldberg here, who I think is struggling with an American conception of “race” that renders the anti-Semitism that led to the Holocaust illegible. I regard her remarks not as malicious, but as an ignorant projection of that American conception onto circumstances to which it does not apply. In America, distinctions among European immigrants that were once considered deeply significant dissolved in the melting pot, leaving an absence in popular memory that might explain their salience elsewhere, and how someone could be seen as white in America and yet still be subject to persecution based on their “race.”

The Nazi Holocaust in Europe and slavery and Jim Crow in the United States are outgrowths of the same ideology—the belief that human beings can be delineated into categories that share immutable biological traits distinguishing them from one another and determining their potential and behavior. In Europe, with its history of anti-Jewish persecution and violent religious divisions, the conception of Jews as a biological “race” with particular characteristics was used by the Nazis to justify the Holocaust. In the United States, the invention of race was used to justify the institution of chattel slavery, on the basis that Black people were biologically suited to permanent servitude and unfit for the rights the nation’s Founders had proclaimed as universal. The American color line was therefore much more forgiving to European Jews than the divisions of the old country were. But they are branches of the same tree, the biological fiction of race.

In the United States, physical distinctions between most Black and most white people have misled some into thinking that the American conception of race is somehow more “real” than the racial fictions on which the Nazis based their campaign of extermination. Applying the American color line to Europe, the Holocaust appears merely to be a form of sectarian violence, “white people” attacking “white people,” which seems nonsensical. But those persecuting Jews in Europe saw Jews as beastly subhumans, an “alien race” whom they were justified in destroying in order to defend German “racial purity.” The “racial” distinctions between master and slave may be more familiar to Americans, but they were and are no more real than those between Gentile and Jew.

Adherence to religious belief was not required to be subject to Nazi persecution, and unlike some prior moments in European history, conversion was insufficient to escape danger. Jewish ancestry was enough, because it was ancestry—a person’s “race”—that made someone inescapably Jewish. In his infamous memoir, Adolf Hitler regretted that, early in life, he’d seen anti-Semitism as persecution of a people on the basis of religious belief, which he thought wrong. He later came to think of this as a Jewish lie to hide the reality that the Jewish people were a separate “race” whose goal was to enslave the rest of mankind. It should not be lost that enslaving all of mankind is a concise summary of Hitler’s own political project.

“Judaism predates Western categories. It’s not quite a religion, because one can be Jewish regardless of observance or specific belief,” my colleague Yair Rosenberg wrote. “But it’s also not quite a race, because people can convert in! It’s not merely a culture or an ethnicity, because that leaves out all the religious components.”

This is all true, but Black Americans are not really a “race” either, and the borders of Black American identity can also be difficult to define or agree upon. To some extent, shared history, culture, and ancestry exist, but as the scholars Karen and Barbara Fields write in Racecraft, the very concept of race implies a material reality where none exists. Most American descendants of the emancipated have white ancestry, and millions of white Americans with African ancestry have no knowledge of it. “Race is not an idea but an ideology. It came into existence at a discernible historical moment for rationally understandable historical reasons,” the Fieldses write, “and is subject to change for similar reasons.”

It is not necessary for race to be real for racism to be real. It is only necessary that people believe race to be real. When people act on fictions, those actions have repercussions even if the underlying belief is false—even if the people know that the underlying belief they are acting on is false. The fact that anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish control of the media, of governments, and of financial institutions are untrue does not rob them of their explanatory power for those who choose to believe in them. For Thomas Jefferson to know, somewhere in the disquiet of his own conscience, that slavery was a “cruel war against human nature itself” did not in and of itself grant freedom to those he owned as property.

“The people who settled the country had a fatal flaw. They could recognize a man when they saw one. They knew he wasn’t—I mean you can tell, they knew he wasn’t—anything else but a man; but since they were Christian, and since they had already decided that they came here to establish a free country, the only way to justify the role this chattel was playing in one’s life was to say that he was not a man,” James Baldwin wrote in 1964. “For if he wasn’t a man, then no crime had been committed.”

To this, we could add Jean-Paul Sartre’s observation that “if the Jew did not exist, the anti-Semite would invent him.” Race allows humanity to keep inventing, in language that can bend the most rational minds, groups of people whose supposed characteristics justify whatever cruelty we might wish to indulge.

 

[computersputin]

some posts on here sound like they are ripped straight from "the eternal jew"

 

[WASHED KING]

No country, large or small, is honest about the dark episodes of its past. Look at how Japan sugarcoats the deeds of their imperial period, or how Turkey still talks about the Armenian genocide.

I'm curious, how do you deal with the campaign of erasure of non-white US history that is currently going on in 2/3 of this country? For example, New Hampshire has laws in the books that allow random people to sue schools for monetary damages if they allow teachers to introduce "uncomfortable" topics in the classroom. A number of states have also introduced similar legislation to kill the discussion on American history, systemic racism, and WASP supremacy.

Can we, ignored parents, also sue schools for not teaching our histories?

Honestly, I decided not to be a history teacher for that reason. In my opinion it is the most fun and interesting subject to teach but at the same time can be the most "controversial" due to politics. It's either lie to yourself and teach by the book or teach the truth and open yourself up to the disgruntled parents.

Also it varies by state, district, and school. What you can get away with teaching in one school you might not get away with in another just due to the student and parent population you're dealing with. Then you have the differences in curriculums there are people up here who said they barely talked about the Holocaust while in contrast teachers in my school spent weeks on it each year from grades 6-11.

I run extracurriculars like AASA, and the diversity clubs where you can have those open discussions but as far as the whole suing thing I have no idea haven't encountered anything like that in the south.

 

[Present]

"In the United States, physical distinctions between most Black and most white people have misled some into thinking that the American conception of race is somehow more “real” than the racial fictions on which the Nazis based their campaign of extermination."

= HIGHLY problematic sentence

 

[RustyShackleford]

"In the United States, physical distinctions between most Black and most white people have misled some into thinking that the American conception of race is somehow more “real” than the racial fictions on which the Nazis based their campaign of extermination."

= HIGHLY problematic sentence

I don't see how the sentence is problematic given the context he said it in, and I don't see how the video relates to the point being made in the article

 

[Present]

I don't see how the sentence is problematic given the context he said it in, and I don't see how the video relates to the point being made in the article

My interpretation:

Jews can be white

Jews can be Nazis - https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-24-mn-12209-story.html

Whoopi Goldberg is Jewish, so Jews can be Black too.

Being Jewish doesn't stop you from being any of these things.

If someone no longer wants to appear Jewish, then its possible for them to denounce their religion, their culture, their history, change their name, and assimilate fully into "Whiteness".

Ex: Several actors of the past and present have chosen to "gentilize" their Jewish names because of a perceived need to appeal to the mostly non-Jewish American public.

Being Black (literally the color of our skin) doesn't afford us these abilities.

Its not the "American concept" of race when its happening in Israel, China, Australia, etc...

Its global.

Everyone all over the globe knows exactly what I am just by looking at me.

I can never take this off and never be free of it...no matter where I go.

How much more "real" does it need to be than that?

 

[RustyShackleford]

My interpretation:

Jews can be white

Jews can be Nazis - https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-24-mn-12209-story.html

Whoopi Goldberg is Jewish, so Jews can be Black too.

Being Jewish doesn't stop you from being any of these things.

If someone no longer wants to appear Jewish, then its possible for them to denounce their religion, their culture, their history, change their name, and assimilate fully into "Whiteness".

Ex: Several actors of the past and present have chosen to "gentilize" their Jewish names because of a perceived need to appeal to the mostly non-Jewish American public.

Being Black (literally the color of our skin) doesn't afford us these abilities.

Its not the "American concept" of race when its happening in Israel, China, Australia, etc...

Its global.

Everyone all over the globe knows exactly what I am just by looking at me.

I can never take this off and never be free of it...no matter where I go.

How much more "real" does it need to be than that?

That's not what I got from it

This is the passages that come before and after...

The Nazi Holocaust in Europe and slavery and Jim Crow in the United States are outgrowths of the same ideology—the belief that human beings can be delineated into categories that share immutable biological traits distinguishing them from one another and determining their potential and behavior. In Europe, with its history of anti-Jewish persecution and violent religious divisions, the conception of Jews as a biological “race” with particular characteristics was used by the Nazis to justify the Holocaust. In the United States, the invention of race was used to justify the institution of chattel slavery, on the basis that Black people were biologically suited to permanent servitude and unfit for the rights the nation’s Founders had proclaimed as universal. The American color line was therefore much more forgiving to European Jews than the divisions of the old country were. But they are branches of the same tree, the biological fiction of race.

In the United States, physical distinctions between most Black and most white people have misled some into thinking that the American conception of race is somehow more “real” than the racial fictions on which the Nazis based their campaign of extermination. Applying the American color line to Europe, the Holocaust appears merely to be a form of sectarian violence, “white people” attacking “white people,” which seems nonsensical. But those persecuting Jews in Europe saw Jews as beastly subhumans, an “alien race” whom they were justified in destroying in order to defend German “racial purity.” The “racial” distinctions between master and slave may be more familiar to Americans, but they were and are no more real than those between Gentile and Jew.

Adherence to religious belief was not required to be subject to Nazi persecution, and unlike some prior moments in European history, conversion was insufficient to escape danger. Jewish ancestry was enough, because it was ancestry—a person’s “race”—that made someone inescapably Jewish. In his infamous memoir, Adolf Hitler regretted that, early in life, he’d seen anti-Semitism as persecution of a people on the basis of religious belief, which he thought wrong. He later came to think of this as a Jewish lie to hide the reality that the Jewish people were a separate “race” whose goal was to enslave the rest of mankind. It should not be lost that enslaving all of mankind is a concise summary of Hitler’s own political project.

I take it as him talking about how people invent and change definitions of race to justify the subjugation of a group of human beings. He is not saying racism against descendants of African people is not real.

He didn't say that discrimination based on skin color is strictly an American idea, or doesn't happen in other parts of the world, at least I didn't read it that way. The American conception he is talking about is the rationalizing "white" Americans devised to justify their brutality toward "black" people. The context of the passage was comparing what happened in America to what happened in Germany, to argue if someone uses the color line like Americans did/do, someone can misunderstands what happened in Nazi Germany as Goldberg did.

The Nazis went after Jews because they felt they were a subordinate race to Aryans. They invent all kinds of racial fiction to justify their actions. Just like people invent racial fictions to justify slavery and Jim Crow in America.

In Nazi Germany, Jews could not just denounce being Jewish and the Nazis would say cool. It didn't work like that on a large scale. They thought Jewish people were biologically inferior. Like you post the article about Jews being Nazis, and a couple of paragraphs and...

“Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the military with Hitler’s knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time exterminated their families,” Rigg said.

There was not some widespread option for Jewish people to assimilate into "whiteness" (like Sewer points out, that is applying a standard to Nazi Germany that causes the misunderstanding) to avoid genocide at the hands of the Nazis. Hell reading further in the article it states the people who did serve in the military didn't consider themselves Jewish anyway. The nazis did, but not them. So a few thousand people in the Nazis military vs. the millions of people the Nazis terrorized doesn't seem to be as evidence about Jewish people being assimilated into "whiteness" to avoid Nazi terrorism. "Whiteness" was not saving them anyway.

Also in Nazi Germany, some Jews passed as non-Jews if they could. In Jim Crow America, some black people passed as white people if they could

The concept of people group of people that physically resemble one another still committing violent acts against those people happens globally too. In eastern Europe, in Africa, in the Middle East, In Southeast Asia. Fictions are invented all over the globe, throughout history, to justify all kinds of brutality. Just because some of those fictions are based on skin color, that doesn't mean others don't exist; that is the takeaway I got from Sewer's piece.

Not trying to act like discrimination because of skin color is a uniquely American thing.

Yes, Jewish people can be considered white. But that doesn't save them some Anti-Jewish hate, and it didn't save millions of Jews in Nazi Europe. Because that racism manifested in a way where the color line didn't matter to the Nazis.

 

[htg designs]

"In the United States, physical distinctions between most Black and most white people have misled some into thinking that the American conception of race is somehow more “real” than the racial fictions on which the Nazis based their campaign of extermination."

= HIGHLY problematic sentence

That vid brought this verse to mind:

And Miriam and Aaron (bro and sister) spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. -Numbers 12:1 KJV

I always wondered if this was a cultural clash or a skin color issue. But it seems to be in mans nature to look down on someone different, for whatever reason we wanna create.