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Originally Posted by AIRJORDAN JB23
Lupe at 49?
Stopped reading after that.
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Originally Posted by AIRJORDAN JB23
Lupe at 49?
Stopped reading after that.
Originally Posted by 6 rings MJ
The list is debatable..
Originally Posted by 00david00
Ice Cube top 15 lyricist?
Originally Posted by Evolution Fight
lol figured all the lupe stans would be furious
Originally Posted by J A M E S
For the NTeenth time (SWIDT?).....
These lists are never really about lyrics. Rakim is amazing, but he's not the best lyricist in hip-hop. No way.
Edit:
This.
I would love to hear if they actually gave a definition for "Lyricist" before posting the list.
Originally Posted by MusicalExcellence
Originally Posted by mossman75
Originally Posted by MusicalExcellence
guru is on the list... void
Guru is better than alot of dudes on that list, his spot is about right
guru sucked... wasnt ++$@ lyrical about him
Rakim= The best lyricist in hip hop historyOriginally Posted by mossman75
Originally Posted by J A M E S
For the NTeenth time (SWIDT?).....
These lists are never really about lyrics. Rakim is amazing, but he's not the best lyricist in hip-hop. No way.
Edit:
This.
I would love to hear if they actually gave a definition for "Lyricist" before posting the list.
Agreed. All those dudes you listed have their great moments and their not so great moments.Originally Posted by mossman75
Originally Posted by MusicalExcellence
Originally Posted by mossman75
Guru is better than alot of dudes on that list, his spot is about right
guru sucked... wasnt ++$@ lyrical about him
aint !*#% lyrical about..
t.i.
lil wayne
rick ross
fabolous
lil kim
queen latifah
50 cent
and they all made the list
guru was a lryicist, just not on a high level
Here's the thing....anyone who's seen this $!#% develop from the beginning to now acknowledges Rakim as the greatest.
Now, bar for bar, are there some guys saying more complex $!#%? Sure. Well then Pun should be MUCH higher. Maybe even higher than Jay.
Thing is, Ra was WAY ahead of his time. And that's why he gets the respect and the props that he does. That is why he ends up #1 on these kinds of lists.
Not disagreeing that Ra changed the game for his time. That will NEVER be in question. Then again, I could argue that Nas did that in '94 when Illmatic came out, or even that Jay did it in '96 with RD. Dudes were talking that bum-stickedy-bum hardy-har-har-har stuff, and then these guys elevated things to a whole other level of detail and intricacy. Kris was another one who, before him, no one was rhyming that way.
It's like Dr. J - when he came into the league, NO ONE played like him. No one. He made grown men look like boys on that hardwood. But, just because he changed the game for his time, would I say he's better than Jordan? Not me, because I feel like Jordan changed the game again, and that has to be acknowledged.
For lists like this, we have to put everyone on an even playing field, leaving historical context out of it. Judge everyone on their merit, bar for bar, nothing more, nothing less. Looking at it like that, Em, Pun, Big L, and maybe even Canibus could all, arguably, be rated higher than Rakim.
It's easy to get caught up in nostalgia, and then we only judge MCs against who else was out at the time when they were poppin'. But that's not what this is - just judging on pure skills, there's no way I can say Rakim is THEE best. One of the best? No doubt. But bar for bar the BEST lyricist? No.
Just my $0.02, though...
Amen to all this.Originally Posted by J A M E S
Also, let's not forget guys like Ras Kass, Chino XL, etc...
Do I bump in the whip? No way.
But are they disgusting with the words? Absolutely.
I think people confuse these list with "overall best artist" comparisons. Two completely different things. No way you're going to sit their and coherently argue to me, or anyone else that lives this that 'Pac is a better LYRICIST than say, Black Thought.
Step away, remove any cultural impact, and judge dudes based on their words. If the Sauce did this, the order would be totally different. Then again, this is the house that Benzino built, and now, that an entertainment lawyer co-owns/publishes.
Originally Posted by J A M E S
Also, let's not forget guys like Ras Kass, Chino XL, etc...
Do I bump in the whip? No way.
But are they disgusting with the words? Absolutely.
I think people confuse these list with "overall best artist" comparisons. Two completely different things. No way you're going to sit their and coherently argue to me, or anyone else that lives this that 'Pac is a better LYRICIST than say, Black Thought.
Step away, remove any cultural impact, and judge dudes based on their words. If the Sauce did this, the order would be totally different. Then again, this is the house that Benzino built, and now, that an entertainment lawyer co-owns/publishes.