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Originally Posted by CurtisCarter23
TOM BRADY SHOULD NOT BE M.V.P!!
That's actually the best argument you could make for him not being the MVP. Type it in capital letters with an exclamation mark and hope that some idiot listens to you.
Originally Posted by CurtisCarter23
Before everyone starts killing me here. he does deserve to win the mvp, just not the only one. I think him and moss should both win! Co- MVPs! There is no argument you can make that Brady would be having this type of season without moss. He would put up pretty good numbers but not like this. By seasons end moss will have anywhere between 20-25 tds that would damn near 50% of bradys tds. Put it to you this way, if Brady had a NT account he would make a Randy Moss appreciation post every damn week.
The Pats without Moss would lose to Dallas, Pittsburgh, Indy, Greenbay, and possible one other team in the L.
And where would the Pats be with Cassel throwing to Moss? Not close to 10-0.
The funny thing is, without Moss, the Pats are probably still at least 9-1. When you beat teams by 35 points, you can take away a star WR and still win thegame. Stallworth and Welker are enough for Brady to win. He's not like Manning, who morphs into an average QB when his buddy Marvin misses a few games.
Stallworth and Welker > Moorehead and Gonzalez.
^ Stallworth and Welker > Wayne, Morehead, and Gonz???? Prolly not...But Brady makes them better. Just like he turned Deion Branch into asuperbowl MVP. Where is Deion now, anyway?
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If you have the Patriots without Brady, you got a maybe .500 team, without Moss they could still potentially be 10-0 or whatever but just not as dominant
It really depends on the Qb. I f you have someone that don't make mistakes and is willing to put his ego aside, the Pats will always begood.Tom Brady is a system QB meaning he's nothing without BB. Its the scheme not him, if you ever watch a pats game you see that he is always throwing towide open receivers. He never has to make that great throw. Even before this year it was like that.And if he does have to make that great pass he throws apick. If you put Tom Brady anywhere else but New England he would be no more than a average QB.
It really depends on the Qb. I f you have someone that don't make mistakes and is willing to put his ego aside, the Pats will always be good.Tom Brady is a system QB meaning he's nothing without BB. Its the scheme not him, if you ever watch a pats game you see that he is always throwing to wide open receivers. He never has to make that great throw. Even before this year it was like that.And if he does have to make that great pass he throws a pick. If you put Tom Brady anywhere else but New England he would be no more than a average QB.Originally Posted by JAYFIEND
If you have the Patriots without Brady, you got a maybe .500 team, without Moss they could still potentially be 10-0 or whatever but just not as dominant
Originally Posted by Stoker55
It really depends on the Qb. I f you have someone that don't make mistakes and is willing to put his ego aside, the Pats will always be good.Tom Brady is a system QB meaning he's nothing without BB. Its the scheme not him, if you ever watch a pats game you see that he is always throwing to wide open receivers. He never has to make that great throw. Even before this year it was like that.And if he does have to make that great pass he throws a pick. If you put Tom Brady anywhere else but New England he would be no more than a average QB.Originally Posted by JAYFIEND
If you have the Patriots without Brady, you got a maybe .500 team, without Moss they could still potentially be 10-0 or whatever but just not as dominant
And where would the Pats be with Cassel throwing to Moss? Not close to 10-0.Originally Posted by DeadsetAce
The Pats without Moss would lose to Dallas, Pittsburgh, Indy, Greenbay, and possible one other team in the L.
Originally Posted by DeadsetAce
A lot of you have great points and all...but it still comes down to who is more valuable to the Patriots. Moss def. does open up the field for Wes. And Moss does go up and catch EVERYTHING that comes his way. But can the Pats win without Moss? Undefeated? Prolly not. But they can win and go pretty far into the playoffs without Moss. Can the Pats win without Brady? Prolly not. Theres a reason wideouts rarely win the award.
I wouldnt mind co-MVP's...but I think Brady def. deserves it if its only going to one person.
EDIT: Favre should def be up for consideration when you take into account what hes done with that offense in GB
maybe Peyton (I don't remember him playing well without Harrison)
^ thank you
Yeah Favre really has had squat to work with the past couple of years. He hasnt had an elite corp since the days of Brooks and Freeman in the 90s.
Brett's been doing an amazing job considering the talent around him.
Manning and Moss > Brady and Moss
Manning and TO > Brady and TO
Manning and Marvin > Brady and anyone, ever.
....the score is 3-1 Brady right now
And I've never seen Manning and Marvin do what Brady and Moss are doing...so you have no arguement
BTW...you do realize Peyton can't fuction without Marvin...so maybe Marvin is the MVP of the soft little team from Indy