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Typical response from someone that only watches it happen. Sure it's boring to watch but 17 seconds is BORING so get yourself a 10, 9, 8 second street driven vehicle then try telling me it's boring.Originally Posted by Munfy
YES ITS BORING......Originally Posted by gil23
Originally Posted by Munfy
Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG
Track performance > straight line performance.
Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG
Even then, which actually matters more? Going in a straight line or actually being able to take a turn effectively?
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
Clearly fun, efficiency, and reliability are a matter of preference. I can disagree with all three of them and go towards a domestic car point of view but it would be pointless.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
Obviously you like to take turns, I however like to accelerate quickly. BUT I can hold my own in the twisties. Put the hotchkis sways back on, adjust the QA-1's and I'm ready to take a turn.Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG
Even then, which actually matters more? Going in a straight line or actually being able to take a turn effectively?
Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
reliability are a matter of preference.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
Clearly fun, efficiency, and reliability are a matter of preference. I can disagree with all three of them and go towards a domestic car point of view but it would be pointless.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
Please, last time there was an import vs domestic reliability argument on here i shut some dudes up. But most of NT that will always hate on domestic are blind and even if theres evidence to show Japanese cars aren't as reliable as most think they'll still say Japanese>all.Originally Posted by mondaynightraw
Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
reliability are a matter of preference.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
Please, last time there was an import vs domestic reliability argument on here i shut some dudes up. But most of NT that will always hate on domestic are blind and even if theres evidence to show Japanese cars aren't as reliable as most think they'll still say Japanese>all.Originally Posted by mondaynightraw
Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
reliability are a matter of preference.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
It's being close minded and thinking everything but Japanese is crap reliability wise, which is the attitude the majority of NT has.Originally Posted by Mangudai954
Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
Clearly fun, efficiency, and reliability are a matter of preference. I can disagree with all three of them and go towards a domestic car point of view but it would be pointless.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
Lol what? There are people who prefer unreliable cars?
higher displacement engines in general have an advantage in alot of ways.All these guys coming in and making statements on stuff they have no clue about makes you really sound stupid.No offense ninja but although i agree with the foundation of what your saying man atleast read up some before you go making yourself sound dumb.To explain the whole v8 vs v6 or whatever thing you take a water balloon and another water balloon half the size you can put the same amount of water into both but the smaller one is gonna bust alot easier then the bigger one its kinda a bad example but some of you guys still might not get it.When you take the v6 or whatever car that was made to get 25+ mpg and came stock with 200 or less hp and you try to make it keep up with cars either high performance v8s or v6's or whatever you have to spend alot of money and even when you do get 350+hp out of it,its a ticking bomb and your asking to waste money that money on a rebuild.I mean yeah you can upgrade the fuel system,forged internals and heads for that boost you depend on,build the rear end,******,clutch,custom headers,and turbo piping an intercooler and spend 15k on a car that will get beat by a bolt on ls1 that cost under 10k total.what is the point of that?build imports that are manufactured to be a performance car thats cool but its not logical to build these POS cars that kids do.Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
Clearly fun, efficiency, and reliability are a matter of preference. I can disagree with all three of them and go towards a domestic car point of view but it would be pointless.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
I pretty much said something similar with my post on page 9.Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
higher displacement engines in general have an advantage in alot of ways.All these guys coming in and making statements on stuff they have no clue about makes you really sound stupid.No offense ninja but although i agree with the foundation of what your saying man atleast read up some before you go making yourself sound dumb.To explain the whole v8 vs v6 or whatever thing you take a water balloon and another water balloon half the size you can put the same amount of water into both but the smaller one is gonna bust alot easier then the bigger one its kinda a bad example but some of you guys still might not get it.When you take the v6 or whatever car that was made to get 25+ mpg and came stock with 200 or less hp and you try to make it keep up with cars either high performance v8s or v6's or whatever you have to spend alot of money and even when you do get 350+hp out of it,its a ticking bomb and your asking to waste money that money on a rebuild.I mean yeah you can upgrade the fuel system,forged internals and heads for that boost you depend on,build the rear end,******,clutch,custom headers,and turbo piping an intercooler and spend 15k on a car that will get beat by a bolt on ls1 that cost under 10k total.what is the point of that?build imports that are manufactured to be a performance car thats cool but its not logical to build these POS cars that kids do.Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
Clearly fun, efficiency, and reliability are a matter of preference. I can disagree with all three of them and go towards a domestic car point of view but it would be pointless.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
they have that mentality cause all they know is what they're JDM friends pushing a riced out prelude tell them and they dont know any better and dont have the common sense to actually think logically about what they are saying.Or they spend mommy and daddys money and could care less.I would put money on it that most of the guys on here defending JDM,import,v6,i6 cant even change the oil on their car.or have a stock honda that they think is fast cause it will spin in the rain.Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
It's being close minded and thinking everything but Japanese is crap reliability wise, which is the attitude the majority of NT has.Originally Posted by Mangudai954
Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
Clearly fun, efficiency, and reliability are a matter of preference. I can disagree with all three of them and go towards a domestic car point of view but it would be pointless.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
Lol what? There are people who prefer unreliable cars?
okay my bad i skipped a few pages but i agree with you thenOriginally Posted by jrdnsrnss
I pretty much said something similar with my post on page 9.Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
higher displacement engines in general have an advantage in alot of ways.All these guys coming in and making statements on stuff they have no clue about makes you really sound stupid.No offense ninja but although i agree with the foundation of what your saying man atleast read up some before you go making yourself sound dumb.To explain the whole v8 vs v6 or whatever thing you take a water balloon and another water balloon half the size you can put the same amount of water into both but the smaller one is gonna bust alot easier then the bigger one its kinda a bad example but some of you guys still might not get it.When you take the v6 or whatever car that was made to get 25+ mpg and came stock with 200 or less hp and you try to make it keep up with cars either high performance v8s or v6's or whatever you have to spend alot of money and even when you do get 350+hp out of it,its a ticking bomb and your asking to waste money that money on a rebuild.I mean yeah you can upgrade the fuel system,forged internals and heads for that boost you depend on,build the rear end,******,clutch,custom headers,and turbo piping an intercooler and spend 15k on a car that will get beat by a bolt on ls1 that cost under 10k total.what is the point of that?build imports that are manufactured to be a performance car thats cool but its not logical to build these POS cars that kids do.
Just to be clear, evo's aren't included in this right?There are more than enough 400whp,500whp (usable, not slap a gt42 and 100 oct) applications that some use as DD's, even morseo with the availibility of e85.Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
higher displacement engines in general have an advantage in alot of ways.All these guys coming in and making statements on stuff they have no clue about makes you really sound stupid.No offense ninja but although i agree with the foundation of what your saying man atleast read up some before you go making yourself sound dumb.To explain the whole v8 vs v6 or whatever thing you take a water balloon and another water balloon half the size you can put the same amount of water into both but the smaller one is gonna bust alot easier then the bigger one its kinda a bad example but some of you guys still might not get it.When you take the v6 or whatever car that was made to get 25+ mpg and came stock with 200 or less hp and you try to make it keep up with cars either high performance v8s or v6's or whatever you have to spend alot of money and even when you do get 350+hp out of it,its a ticking bomb and your asking to waste money that money on a rebuild.I mean yeah you can upgrade the fuel system,forged internals and heads for that boost you depend on,build the rear end,******,clutch,custom headers,and turbo piping an intercooler and spend 15k on a car that will get beat by a bolt on ls1 that cost under 10k total.what is the point of that?build imports that are manufactured to be a performance car thats cool but its not logical to build these POS cars that kids do.Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
Clearly fun, efficiency, and reliability are a matter of preference. I can disagree with all three of them and go towards a domestic car point of view but it would be pointless.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
Originally Posted by AirPhilippines
Just to be clear, evo's aren't included in this right?Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
higher displacement engines in general have an advantage in alot of ways.All these guys coming in and making statements on stuff they have no clue about makes you really sound stupid.No offense ninja but although i agree with the foundation of what your saying man atleast read up some before you go making yourself sound dumb.To explain the whole v8 vs v6 or whatever thing you take a water balloon and another water balloon half the size you can put the same amount of water into both but the smaller one is gonna bust alot easier then the bigger one its kinda a bad example but some of you guys still might not get it.When you take the v6 or whatever car that was made to get 25+ mpg and came stock with 200 or less hp and you try to make it keep up with cars either high performance v8s or v6's or whatever you have to spend alot of money and even when you do get 350+hp out of it,its a ticking bomb and your asking to waste money that money on a rebuild.I mean yeah you can upgrade the fuel system,forged internals and heads for that boost you depend on,build the rear end,******,clutch,custom headers,and turbo piping an intercooler and spend 15k on a car that will get beat by a bolt on ls1 that cost under 10k total.what is the point of that?build imports that are manufactured to be a performance car thats cool but its not logical to build these POS cars that kids do.Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
Clearly fun, efficiency, and reliability are a matter of preference. I can disagree with all three of them and go towards a domestic car point of view but it would be pointless.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
gonna go and edit it on meOriginally Posted by AirPhilippines
Just to be clear, evo's aren't included in this right?There are more than enough 400whp,500whp (usable, not slap a gt42 and 100 oct) applications that some use as DD's, even morseo with the availibility of e85.Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
higher displacement engines in general have an advantage in alot of ways.All these guys coming in and making statements on stuff they have no clue about makes you really sound stupid.No offense ninja but although i agree with the foundation of what your saying man atleast read up some before you go making yourself sound dumb.To explain the whole v8 vs v6 or whatever thing you take a water balloon and another water balloon half the size you can put the same amount of water into both but the smaller one is gonna bust alot easier then the bigger one its kinda a bad example but some of you guys still might not get it.When you take the v6 or whatever car that was made to get 25+ mpg and came stock with 200 or less hp and you try to make it keep up with cars either high performance v8s or v6's or whatever you have to spend alot of money and even when you do get 350+hp out of it,its a ticking bomb and your asking to waste money that money on a rebuild.I mean yeah you can upgrade the fuel system,forged internals and heads for that boost you depend on,build the rear end,******,clutch,custom headers,and turbo piping an intercooler and spend 15k on a car that will get beat by a bolt on ls1 that cost under 10k total.what is the point of that?build imports that are manufactured to be a performance car thats cool but its not logical to build these POS cars that kids do.Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
Clearly fun, efficiency, and reliability are a matter of preference. I can disagree with all three of them and go towards a domestic car point of view but it would be pointless.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.
Originally Posted by funkdoctor73
Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG
Track performance > straight line performance.
you really can't compare the two because cars are built different. Muscle cars in general were always about 1/4 mile, where the STI and EVO are rally built cars that were converted for the roads. Those two cars aren't meant to be "dragged", but can be. Even the GTR can't be dragged because of damage that potentially result( Launch Control was removed in later models). AWD systems are tricky to launch because they require high revs and the right technique of letting out the gas and clutch. You will almost certainly fry the clutch 3/4s of the time. If you want to drag a car, the RWD comes in handy because its putting less stres on the drivetrain components. If you want to track it, AWD is better because of the added grip and steering feel. So, comparing straight line performance for cars that were never really meant for it kinda defeats the purpose. Some are built for one thing, some are built for another. I'm not saying one is better than the other, and I acknowledge their are FWD and RWD track cars, but as i said earlier, they are purpose built.
all good, just making sure, you mentioned the VR4 but I just needed confirmationOriginally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
gonna go and edit it on meOriginally Posted by AirPhilippines
Just to be clear, evo's aren't included in this right?There are more than enough 400whp,500whp (usable, not slap a gt42 and 100 oct) applications that some use as DD's, even morseo with the availibility of e85.Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
higher displacement engines in general have an advantage in alot of ways.All these guys coming in and making statements on stuff they have no clue about makes you really sound stupid.No offense ninja but although i agree with the foundation of what your saying man atleast read up some before you go making yourself sound dumb.To explain the whole v8 vs v6 or whatever thing you take a water balloon and another water balloon half the size you can put the same amount of water into both but the smaller one is gonna bust alot easier then the bigger one its kinda a bad example but some of you guys still might not get it.When you take the v6 or whatever car that was made to get 25+ mpg and came stock with 200 or less hp and you try to make it keep up with cars either high performance v8s or v6's or whatever you have to spend alot of money and even when you do get 350+hp out of it,its a ticking bomb and your asking to waste money that money on a rebuild.I mean yeah you can upgrade the fuel system,forged internals and heads for that boost you depend on,build the rear end,******,clutch,custom headers,and turbo piping an intercooler and spend 15k on a car that will get beat by a bolt on ls1 that cost under 10k total.what is the point of that?build imports that are manufactured to be a performance car thats cool but its not logical to build these POS cars that kids do.Originally Posted by jrdnsrnss
Clearly fun, efficiency, and reliability are a matter of preference. I can disagree with all three of them and go towards a domestic car point of view but it would be pointless.Originally Posted by ThuG LyFe
Originally Posted by CarolCitysFinest
Originally Posted by Lemonade41
Can we all just agree both have their weaknesses and advantages?
I will agree to the fact that v8's have weaknesses and advantages yes.I will also agree that imports/ricers/v6/i4's ect have weaknesses and advantages BUT the imports have more weaknesses then advantages compared to the v8's and domestics
imports have more disadvantages for what? i think imports are better all around for fun, efficiency, and reliability. so what advantage does american cars have over that? it eats more gas? also, even if i want a v8, i rather get a euro v8.na man i like evos id push a stock one with no complaints one of the better all around cars still in production imo.
yeah you can get better traction if you know what you are doing but in no way is it easy.It took me awhile to learn the "sweet spot" of where the turbos spool best and how to "slip" the clutch to launch the vr4.Bone stock they are supposed to run mid to high 13's I was running 14.2Originally Posted by JoseBronx
Originally Posted by funkdoctor73
Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG
Track performance > straight line performance.
you really can't compare the two because cars are built different. Muscle cars in general were always about 1/4 mile, where the STI and EVO are rally built cars that were converted for the roads. Those two cars aren't meant to be "dragged", but can be. Even the GTR can't be dragged because of damage that potentially result( Launch Control was removed in later models). AWD systems are tricky to launch because they require high revs and the right technique of letting out the gas and clutch. You will almost certainly fry the clutch 3/4s of the time. If you want to drag a car, the RWD comes in handy because its putting less stres on the drivetrain components. If you want to track it, AWD is better because of the added grip and steering feel. So, comparing straight line performance for cars that were never really meant for it kinda defeats the purpose. Some are built for one thing, some are built for another. I'm not saying one is better than the other, and I acknowledge their are FWD and RWD track cars, but as i said earlier, they are purpose built.
I thought it was AWD>RWD>FWD. I know more power would be lost in an AWD drivetrain then in a RWD (FWD sucks) but AWD would be the easiest to launch since theres traction on all 4 wheels. I have to look into this.
Agreed 100% but I thing is that a lot of domestics fanboys cant admit that imports are doing just as good with the need of 2 extra cylinders. Plus it aint all about the size of the engine that makes a car great.
only 5 more year till I can bring over a R32