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Originally Posted by DownyBoy
America should definitely model their laws around those set up by Iran, N. Korea, Afghanistan, Cuba, Venezuela...
This is quite possibly the dumbest post EVER on NT.
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Originally Posted by DownyBoy
America should definitely model their laws around those set up by Iran, N. Korea, Afghanistan, Cuba, Venezuela...
This is quite possibly the dumbest post EVER on NT.
Yup Human rights. We treat people of all kinds greatly. People really don't see how much good we do for the world.....Originally Posted by livewyre
Originally Posted by Darkwing Duck
It cracks me up when a bunch of illegal aliens get together for a demonstration and act like they deserve equal rights.
YOUR AN ILLEGAL ALIEN! YOU DONT HAVE RIGHTS! YOU DONT GET TO BE TREATED FAIR!
actually they do have rights.
this is a rather incoherent thought. employing illegal aliens increases the profit margin for the company, it doesnt reduce the cost of doing business. i am willing to wager its you who has no idea.Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699
I guess alot of you dont have any idea how much money it takes business owners to run a business without illegal immigrants, do any of you with so many opinions own a businnes or rather do you know how much it costs for small corporations(ie your pizzerias, restaurants, groceryies, supermarkets etc) to be able to employ a person legally? That 7.50 (or whatever min wage is in your area)an hour aint gonna get most of America by when prices for every single thing increase due to the costs of businesses doing everything by the "book."
BUT.... then again they would never try this in nyc, arizona and its citizens let it happen, i dare them to try to do this in NYC, the city would literally shut down. Some of you have no idea who actually keep this city running its halarious.
Originally Posted by SnowboardingPanda
You guys realize that most undocumented or "ILLEGAL" immigrants in this country that work in your cities still pay the same taxes every other legal citizen pays..
The thing is there aren't opportunities for everyone. Look around, we are in one of the worst economic situations in decades. Unemployment rates are as high as they have been since the great depression. The land that was once looked at as the land of opportunity is finally dealing with the aftermath of this thinking and one of the biggest issues facing the US is over population. Maybe OP's examples were extreme, but it does have a point. People cross our borders everyday, some coming over multiple times. The US doesn't do anything to deter them from coming back in, they just deport them and drop them off at the border thinking everything will be good and they will stay? It isn't our countries job to look out for everyone in the world. That is the biggest problem with our government, we get to involved in other countries garbage and we can't even address the issues that are happening right here within our own damn country. We need to take a stand, get a system in place that deters these immigrants from coming into our country multiple times after being deported.Originally Posted by crod6926
The U.S is not a scum like the other countries...
why do you think so many people go to the U.S, there's opportunities for EVERYONE and Americans should be proud people go to their country for this.
The thing is there are always those people who will abuse the laws, but it isn't just them...more americans abuse their own country.
You do realize some of our immigrants are actually accountants, doctors, engineers, etc.Originally Posted by southzeztpdot
Originally Posted by crod6926
The U.S is not a scum like the other countries...
why do you think so many people go to the U.S, there's opportunities for EVERYONE and Americans should be proud people go to their country for this.
The thing is there are always those people who will abuse the laws, but it isn't just them...more americans abuse their own country.
You are speaking of a time where it was okay and immigration was actually helping our society. Right now we just cant take the immigration at this moment especially with our country crippling. Its a money thing. Everything about our country is a money.
What about all the qualified people out there that are looking for jobs???? This is the same thing as out sourcing. They are bringing in people from other countries to fill these positions so they can pay them a lower wage. I just don't get how you don't understand that. There are people in all of those fields that you mentioned that are struggling to find work. Now please tell me how your argument holds any water.Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame
You do realize some of our immigrants are actually accountants, doctors, engineers, etc.Originally Posted by southzeztpdot
Originally Posted by crod6926
The U.S is not a scum like the other countries...
why do you think so many people go to the U.S, there's opportunities for EVERYONE and Americans should be proud people go to their country for this.
The thing is there are always those people who will abuse the laws, but it isn't just them...more americans abuse their own country.
You are speaking of a time where it was okay and immigration was actually helping our society. Right now we just cant take the immigration at this moment especially with our country crippling. Its a money thing. Everything about our country is a money.
I'd take them over some of the uneducated, skill-less and ultimately worthless people in America right now.
Originally Posted by DeeNyce
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However, cross the U.S. border illegally, u get a job, a drivers license, a social security card, welfare benefits, food stamps, credit cards, subsidized rent or a loan to buy a new house, free education, free health care, the right to vote, and all without speaking a word of english.
Originally Posted by ediaz411
Originally Posted by DownyBoy
America should definitely model their laws around those set up by Iran, N. Korea, Afghanistan, Cuba, Venezuela...
This is quite possibly the dumbest post EVER on NT.
You sir are completely incorrect, but let me explain it to you so maybe you can understand my point better. First do you own a businesses of any kind? Actually do you know the exact cost it takes for a small corporation to employ an individual? NO, do I? yes... and yes employing illegal aliens reduces the cost of doing business.. how? Employers must pay taxes on legal employees, workers comp, insurance, etc(not an exact dollar figure but it is a substantial amount) With an illegal alien those costs are eliminated. HOWEVER, if said illegal alien is eliminated and an individual is hired on the books those costs are now factored in to your business expenses, and thus the price of your operating your business has now increased, now your profits have decreased, and to even out your gains with your losses the price of your product must now increase, and VOILA the price of a certain product has now risen Does that makes things clearer?Originally Posted by mr delorean
this is a rather incoherent thought. employing illegal aliens increases the profit margin for the company, it doesnt reduce the cost of doing business. i am willing to wager its you who has no idea.Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699
I guess alot of you dont have any idea how much money it takes business owners to run a business without illegal immigrants, do any of you with so many opinions own a businnes or rather do you know how much it costs for small corporations(ie your pizzerias, restaurants, groceryies, supermarkets etc) to be able to employ a person legally? That 7.50 (or whatever min wage is in your area)an hour aint gonna get most of America by when prices for every single thing increase due to the costs of businesses doing everything by the "book."
BUT.... then again they would never try this in nyc, arizona and its citizens let it happen, i dare them to try to do this in NYC, the city would literally shut down. Some of you have no idea who actually keep this city running its halarious.
Originally Posted by THE FAME
America is what is today because of immigration.
America was built upon immigration.
Why would they stop it now?
You think they give a F about your job?
The so called "Economy"?
Civil rights?
I don't think its should be considered a right to be enslaved by a corporate.
They need those that WANT what they have to offer,
along with the fact that they have nothing to lose but deportation breathing down their necks.
The work force thrives off of immigration, they advertise overseas for petesakes!
On top of this all they are the reason Immigrants feel the need to run over to "America"
because they are robbing the shhhttt out of the land that they live on.
"Immigrants" pack your food produce, build your houses, weave the clothes on your back...etc..etc
Wake up!
When general society starts thinking independently, they will be better off.
Stop raising your children to go work for someone else.
Originally Posted by TypeRPinoY
so you don't believe that people have certain rights as human beings? not saying that illegal immigration is not a crime, but certainly you can't believe that running across the border somehow makes a person less of a human being and less entitled to certain "inalienable" rights.Originally Posted by CincoSeisDos
Please, enlighten me on this red carpet that my parents forgot to tell me about in their journey to this country.Originally Posted by Darkwing Duck
Bottom line/key word in this whole debate is "Illegal" These people are here illegally, they dont deserve a red carpet rolled out for them. you people crack me up, they dont have any rights.
Originally Posted by mr delorean
this is a rather incoherent thought. employing illegal aliens increases the profit margin for the company, it doesnt reduce the cost of doing business. i am willing to wager its you who has no idea.Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699
I guess alot of you dont have any idea how much money it takes business owners to run a business without illegal immigrants, do any of you with so many opinions own a businnes or rather do you know how much it costs for small corporations(ie your pizzerias, restaurants, groceryies, supermarkets etc) to be able to employ a person legally? That 7.50 (or whatever min wage is in your area)an hour aint gonna get most of America by when prices for every single thing increase due to the costs of businesses doing everything by the "book."
BUT.... then again they would never try this in nyc, arizona and its citizens let it happen, i dare them to try to do this in NYC, the city would literally shut down. Some of you have no idea who actually keep this city running its halarious.
It seems to me that Southern plantation owners made a similar claim to keep from freeing their slaves prior to the Civil War. They said that by increasing the cost of labor, they would be destroyed. However, the opposite became true. By eliminating slavery, and thus "free" labor, it forced them to be more innovative with what they had since their costs would go up. As a result the cotton gin was invented and they were forced to diversify their economy. Within 20 years, the industrial revolution started and over a century later the South is one of the healthiest regions for business in the entire nation.Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699
You sir are completely incorrect, but let me explain it to you so maybe you can understand my point better. First do you own a businesses of any kind? Actually do you know the exact cost it takes for a small corporation to employ an individual? NO, do I? yes... and yes employing illegal aliens reduces the cost of doing business.. how? Employers must pay taxes on legal employees, workers comp, insurance, etc(not an exact dollar figure but it is a substantial amount) With an illegal alien those costs are eliminated. HOWEVER, if said illegal alien is eliminated and an individual is hired on the books those costs are now factored in to your business expenses, and thus the price of your operating your business has now increased, now your profits have decreased, and to even out your gains with your losses the price of your product must now increase, and VOILA the price of a certain product has now risen Does that makes things clearer?Originally Posted by mr delorean
this is a rather incoherent thought. employing illegal aliens increases the profit margin for the company, it doesnt reduce the cost of doing business. i am willing to wager its you who has no idea.Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699
I guess alot of you dont have any idea how much money it takes business owners to run a business without illegal immigrants, do any of you with so many opinions own a businnes or rather do you know how much it costs for small corporations(ie your pizzerias, restaurants, groceryies, supermarkets etc) to be able to employ a person legally? That 7.50 (or whatever min wage is in your area)an hour aint gonna get most of America by when prices for every single thing increase due to the costs of businesses doing everything by the "book."
BUT.... then again they would never try this in nyc, arizona and its citizens let it happen, i dare them to try to do this in NYC, the city would literally shut down. Some of you have no idea who actually keep this city running its halarious.
[h1]Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution[/h1]Originally Posted by jordan723
First of all, PLEASE someone show me where in the consitution it says these people are "Illegal Aliens." The word was used by conservatives to elicit the response that many niketalkers have on this board. Did you notice how this word is making some people feel? This word allows people to degrade and dehumanize HUMAN BEINGS! I agree that they are "undocumented" but they are not illegal. It is sad that many of you have so much hatred towards undocumented workers. Someone posted a statistics saying that for every "5 illegal immigrants, 5 Americans die" I would love for that person to show me the statistics for that because that is complete BS. Thats like me saying "for every 11,000 american babies born a day, 6700 americans die" So do I blame the deaths on the 11,000 babies, NO its statistics skewed to support a argument that has no sense.
where they do that @?Originally Posted by SnowboardingPanda
You guys realize that most undocumented or "ILLEGAL" immigrants in this country that work in your cities still pay the same taxes every other legal citizen pays..
Originally Posted by crobers 78
Originally Posted by THE FAME
America is what is today because of immigration.
America was built upon immigration.
Why would they stop it now?
You think they give a F about your job?
The so called "Economy"?
Civil rights?
I don't think its should be considered a right to be enslaved by a corporate.
They need those that WANT what they have to offer,
along with the fact that they have nothing to lose but deportation breathing down their necks.
The work force thrives off of immigration, they advertise overseas for petesakes!
On top of this all they are the reason Immigrants feel the need to run over to "America"
because they are robbing the shhhttt out of the land that they live on.
"Immigrants" pack your food produce, build your houses, weave the clothes on your back...etc..etc
Wake up!
When general society starts thinking independently, they will be better off.
Stop raising your children to go work for someone else.
^ Realest sentence I have read in this entire post
It's about time we make our own.
Every time you buy something, you pay a tax. Consider that a form of paying taxes. And illegal immigrants spend plenty of money. Plus if it wasn't for them, some countries wouldn't be standing. Look at it like this, illegals here send billions of dollars back to their home country. We provide jobs for them which allows them to help their people back home which in turn helps their home country. Lets just say plenty of countries would be nowhere if it wasn't for illegal immigrants.Originally Posted by stoneyjax
where they do that @?Originally Posted by SnowboardingPanda
You guys realize that most undocumented or "ILLEGAL" immigrants in this country that work in your cities still pay the same taxes every other legal citizen pays..
Originally Posted by crobers 78
Originally Posted by THE FAME
America is what is today because of immigration.
America was built upon immigration.
Why would they stop it now?
You think they give a F about your job?
The so called "Economy"?
Civil rights?
I don't think its should be considered a right to be enslaved by a corporate.
They need those that WANT what they have to offer,
along with the fact that they have nothing to lose but deportation breathing down their necks.
The work force thrives off of immigration, they advertise overseas for petesakes!
On top of this all they are the reason Immigrants feel the need to run over to "America"
because they are robbing the shhhttt out of the land that they live on.
"Immigrants" pack your food produce, build your houses, weave the clothes on your back...etc..etc
Wake up!
When general society starts thinking independently, they will be better off.
Stop raising your children to go work for someone else.
^ Realest sentence I have read in this entire post
It's about time we make our own.
Originally Posted by the north west
why should mexicans be able to come to this country illegally while many other just as deserving minorities have to wait and follow the rules like everybody else