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Originally Posted by The Fresh Sole
The stats are misleading bc Pop always pulls Duncan early. He couldve been out playing getting more points and rebounds in a lot of games. Duncan never cared for stats only winning. Dude is the best IMO. It's been pleasure watching him, I still remember getting hyped during the draft lottery because we got the number 1 pick. No lie I'm a little sad this could be his last last year, I'm feeling old
Like going out in the first round last year, or getting swept in the second round the year before, or first round year before that.........Originally Posted by TheBlackHole76
If we're gonna do the whole stats mumbo jumbo, let's take a look at their stats per 36 minutes at age 35...
http://www.basketball-ref...players/d/duncati01.html
http://www.basketball-ref...players/m/malonka01.html
Tim Duncan (at 35, per 36 mins): 18.2 points, 10.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.7 blocks, 47.5% FG
Karl Malone (at 35, per 36 mins): 22.9 points, 9.1 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 0.9 blocks, 49.5% FG
They are/were playing at a pretty close level of excellence, just that Duncan plays less minutes (and this is true pretty much for his entire career). Duncan's numbers aren't necessarily WOW-worthy because he hasn't played more than 35 minutes per game since 2003. And this is by Popovich's design. Credit Malone for putting up the great stats over more minutes, but I don't think it's really fair to TD to be saying his stats aren't up to par just because Popovich had bigger goals for his team than winning regular season games.
Plus, defense is almost impossible to represent with stats and Duncan has been as good as you can get defensively most of his career.
(Just for kicks you should check out the Per 36 minutes stats for Duncan's whole career. You can NOT get much more consistent than this man.)
I remember years ago reading Pop telling Duncan (paraphrasing) "I've pretty much ruined your career stats." Tim just laughed it off, saying he didn't care.
Edit: This is NOT a knock on Malone, as Malone was an absolute beast who can be argued as well for GOAT PF. But just saying that if you're gonna look at stats, there's much more to it than just per game regular season averages.
How does the Spurs' recent playoff success have anything to do with the simple fact that Duncan plays less minutes than Malone? The fact that it didn't WORK has no relevance on the fact that Popovich DID explicitly and intentionally limit Duncan's (as well as all his starters) minutes thus making statistical arguments specious and spurious at best. Wasn't trying to argue for or against anything else.Originally Posted by CP1708
Like going out in the first round last year, or getting swept in the second round the year before, or first round year before that.........Originally Posted by TheBlackHole76
If we're gonna do the whole stats mumbo jumbo, let's take a look at their stats per 36 minutes at age 35...
http://www.basketball-ref...players/d/duncati01.html
http://www.basketball-ref...players/m/malonka01.html
Tim Duncan (at 35, per 36 mins): 18.2 points, 10.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.7 blocks, 47.5% FG
Karl Malone (at 35, per 36 mins): 22.9 points, 9.1 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 0.9 blocks, 49.5% FG
They are/were playing at a pretty close level of excellence, just that Duncan plays less minutes (and this is true pretty much for his entire career). Duncan's numbers aren't necessarily WOW-worthy because he hasn't played more than 35 minutes per game since 2003. And this is by Popovich's design. Credit Malone for putting up the great stats over more minutes, but I don't think it's really fair to TD to be saying his stats aren't up to par just because Popovich had bigger goals for his team than winning regular season games.
Plus, defense is almost impossible to represent with stats and Duncan has been as good as you can get defensively most of his career.
(Just for kicks you should check out the Per 36 minutes stats for Duncan's whole career. You can NOT get much more consistent than this man.)
I remember years ago reading Pop telling Duncan (paraphrasing) "I've pretty much ruined your career stats." Tim just laughed it off, saying he didn't care.
Edit: This is NOT a knock on Malone, as Malone was an absolute beast who can be argued as well for GOAT PF. But just saying that if you're gonna look at stats, there's much more to it than just per game regular season averages.
Yeah, savin him up the last 3 years workin wonders there.
Oh and by the way, TIM DUNCAN IS NOT A POWER FORWARD ANYMORE, THE MAN IS A CENTER.
But other then that, yeah you right.
Originally Posted by Lizaker4Lizife
I don't get the hate towards Duncan, he's one of the best big men ever
Not a fan, but you have to respect his accomplishments and his skills
I personally think Malone is his prime was better though
Originally Posted by Tony Montana
Duncan is greater than Kal Malone in every way.
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
Karl Malone is a slightly better offensive player, it's pretty difficult to argue that Timmy is better, there are very players to have ever graced basketball court that are more effective the The Mailman.
What gives Timmy the edge is his complete dominance defensively for 15+ years while Karl vacillated between being a non factor or mediocre.
Tim Duncan is the best player of the last decade at the most valuable position in basketball, to me that can go without question.
Yeah because we're supposed to win every yearOriginally Posted by CP1708
Like going out in the first round last year, or getting swept in the second round the year before, or first round year before that.........Originally Posted by TheBlackHole76
If we're gonna do the whole stats mumbo jumbo, let's take a look at their stats per 36 minutes at age 35...
http://www.basketball-ref...players/d/duncati01.html
http://www.basketball-ref...players/m/malonka01.html
Tim Duncan (at 35, per 36 mins): 18.2 points, 10.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.7 blocks, 47.5% FG
Karl Malone (at 35, per 36 mins): 22.9 points, 9.1 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 0.9 blocks, 49.5% FG
They are/were playing at a pretty close level of excellence, just that Duncan plays less minutes (and this is true pretty much for his entire career). Duncan's numbers aren't necessarily WOW-worthy because he hasn't played more than 35 minutes per game since 2003. And this is by Popovich's design. Credit Malone for putting up the great stats over more minutes, but I don't think it's really fair to TD to be saying his stats aren't up to par just because Popovich had bigger goals for his team than winning regular season games.
Plus, defense is almost impossible to represent with stats and Duncan has been as good as you can get defensively most of his career.
(Just for kicks you should check out the Per 36 minutes stats for Duncan's whole career. You can NOT get much more consistent than this man.)
I remember years ago reading Pop telling Duncan (paraphrasing) "I've pretty much ruined your career stats." Tim just laughed it off, saying he didn't care.
Edit: This is NOT a knock on Malone, as Malone was an absolute beast who can be argued as well for GOAT PF. But just saying that if you're gonna look at stats, there's much more to it than just per game regular season averages.
Yeah, savin him up the last 3 years workin wonders there.
Oh and by the way, TIM DUNCAN IS NOT A POWER FORWARD ANYMORE, THE MAN IS A CENTER.
But other then that, yeah you right.
Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1
Duncan's a bad defender now? Hardly. Yes, you are a Tim hater, I've seen you at lengths try to discredit dude in multiple situations.
Tim Duncan is still a very good player in this league. He is a coach on the court essentially and makes all those guys better still.