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Paterno should have been fired but he absolutely deserved the decency of being told in person. It was classless to inform him via telephone.
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Originally Posted by 651akathePaul
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Ask the kids to forfeit the season? Why?
First off, the kids shouldn't have to be asked. If I'm a leader on that team I'm stepping forward with a statement saying I couldn't play on that squad for some that are allegedly involved and that I can not support a decision to play football when it only endangers people in that environment. Then I'm transferring.
It is sick to think about the situation.Originally Posted by af1 1982
And don't get me started on McQueary. He saw the raping. He saw that little boy look at him. He saw that look on his face, crying for help. And he turned away. Betrayed the little boy and betrayed mankind. !!@@%!! coward.
It sickens me that while he was being assaulted, the little boy got his hopes up because he saw McQueary and he saw an opportunity to be saved. And that when the coward turned around, he was sunk to an even deeper level of devastation than he was already in. !!@@%!! DISGRACE.
Originally Posted by Jello B Afro
Originally Posted by 651akathePaul
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Ask the kids to forfeit the season? Why?
First off, the kids shouldn't have to be asked. If I'm a leader on that team I'm stepping forward with a statement saying I couldn't play on that squad for some that are allegedly involved and that I can not support a decision to play football when it only endangers people in that environment. Then I'm transferring.
yep
football just shouldn't be anyone's priority any longer at that school from the very top (school admin & officials) to the players themselves
everyone is way too busy thinking about paterno's "dignity," how this affects the players, how it affects the psu students, the future of psu financial donations, etc.
where do the kids/people who were directly affected by all this come into the picture? they got lost in the shuffle as usual and the story no longer is about them anymore
where do the kids/people who were directly affected by all this come into the picture? they got lost in the shuffle as usual and the story no longer is about them anymore.
At this point I'm reluctant to be optimistic, but you'd hope that the sensitivity of this issue keeps the victims hush hush and that it will be taken care of in a private matter. The possibly hundreds of victims are almost certainly scared to come forth and rightfully so. I just think the victimes will try to remain under wraps for as long as possible.
Originally Posted by Jello B Afro
Originally Posted by 651akathePaul
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Ask the kids to forfeit the season? Why?
First off, the kids shouldn't have to be asked. If I'm a leader on that team I'm stepping forward with a statement saying I couldn't play on that squad for some that are allegedly involved and that I can not support a decision to play football when it only endangers people in that environment. Then I'm transferring.
yep
football just shouldn't be anyone's priority any longer at that school from the very top (school admin & officials) to the players themselves
everyone is way too busy thinking about paterno's "dignity," how this affects the players, how it affects the psu students, the future of psu financial donations, etc.
where do the kids/people who were directly affected by all this come into the picture? they got lost in the shuffle as usual and the story no longer is about them anymore
Originally Posted by af1 1982
I've respected and still continue to respect your opinions in this thread DoubleJsOriginally Posted by DoubleJs07
IMO, no he hasn't.Originally Posted by af1 1982
So this is how they fired Paterno:
-They got a courier to deliver a letter to his house
-The letter had a number to call
-He called and was told he was relieved of his duties
The University keeps making themselves look stupid. There would be no Penn State administration without him. They wouldn't have that job without him. And you fire him over the phone? I'm sorry but if you're going to fire him, you tell him to his face. You look him in his eye and you tell him why he's done. He's earned that right. Disgrace.
But I'm sorry I am going to have to disagree with you. Agree to disagree.
decency...you mean like telling the RIGHT people about little kids being molested? that would have earned him some decency in return...Originally Posted by TraPpStar
Paterno should have been fired but he absolutely deserved the decency of being told in person. It was classless to inform him via telephone.
Originally Posted by 651akathePaul
where do the kids/people who were directly affected by all this come into the picture? they got lost in the shuffle as usual and the story no longer is about them anymore.
Yeah, the ignorance in that comment was easy to spot.Originally Posted by DeadsetAce
decency...you mean like telling the RIGHT people about little kids being molested? that would have earned him some decency in return...Originally Posted by TraPpStar
Paterno should have been fired but he absolutely deserved the decency of being told in person. It was classless to inform him via telephone.
Doesn't matter. I've been a proponent of Paterno's dismissal the moment this story released. His actions were despicable, reprehensible, and deserve to supersede and tarnish his legacy. Notwithstanding all the good that Paterno did for that university, you have a duty to look a man, any man, regardless of his accomplishments or past achievements, in his eyes whenever you are relieving him of his job and terminating his family's income stream. Respect is a code that one lives by and cannot be turned off or on just because you feel the actions of someone do not warrant decency. You are free to have an opinion of someone, but if you enable their character to impact your character then you are enabling them to define the morale of the situation, and thus stooping down to their level to which you so adamantly find reprehensible.Originally Posted by DeadsetAce
decency...you mean like telling the RIGHT people about little kids being molested? that would earn him some decency in return...Originally Posted by TraPpStar
Paterno should have been fired but he absolutely deserved the decency of being told in person. It was classless to inform him via telephone.
PLUS.. (Just heard on the news in regards to the phonecall firing) ..the last time they tried to fire him he threw them out of his house. This dude had absolutely no respect for any proposed authority and over this past week it's showed from his actions to his comments.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Originally Posted by af1 1982
I've respected and still continue to respect your opinions in this thread DoubleJsOriginally Posted by DoubleJs07
IMO, no he hasn't.
But I'm sorry I am going to have to disagree with you. Agree to disagree.
Nah, I gotcha....Obviously, I don't have any ties to the school aside from what I've been reading and seeing over the past couple of days. But in all the information I've gathered, I've lost every last bit of respect I've had for Joe Paterno. I don't think he deserves any sort of dignified way of being told he's fired. If it came by phone, US Postal Service, etc...so be it. He didn't look out for the well-being of many children who became prey to Sandusky. He could have EASILY stopped this before it snowballed. Also, in listening to his comments...he DARED the BOT to fire him. In addition, his statement outside of his home really seemed to marginalize the magnitude of the hurt these kids (who are now adults) are suffering. It's beating a dead horse, but I don't see how he could have continued to let Sandusky around campus. I HONESTLY believe that once these guys start singing to the feds, we'll find out Joe Paterno was tied into this scandal worse than what we already know.
noOriginally Posted by TraPpStar
Notwithstanding all the good that Paterno did for that university, you have a duty to look a man, any man, regardless of his accomplishments or past achievements, in his eyes whenever you are relieving him of his job and terminating his family's income stream. Respect is a code that one lives by and cannot be turned off or on just because you feel the actions of someone do not warrant decency. You are free to have an opinion of someone, but if you enable their character to impact your character then you are enabling them to define the morale of the situation, and thus stooping down to their level to which you so adamantly find reprehensible.Originally Posted by DeadsetAce
decency...you mean like telling the RIGHT people about little kids being molested? that would earn him some decency in return...Originally Posted by TraPpStar
Paterno should have been fired but he absolutely deserved the decency of being told in person. It was classless to inform him via telephone.
Originally Posted by Rudemiester
PLUS.. (Just heard on the news in regards to the phonecall firing) ..the last time they tried to fire him he threw them out of his house. This dude had absolutely no respect for any proposed authority and over this past week it's showed from his actions to his comments.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Originally Posted by af1 1982
I've respected and still continue to respect your opinions in this thread DoubleJs
But I'm sorry I am going to have to disagree with you. Agree to disagree.
Nah, I gotcha....Obviously, I don't have any ties to the school aside from what I've been reading and seeing over the past couple of days. But in all the information I've gathered, I've lost every last bit of respect I've had for Joe Paterno. I don't think he deserves any sort of dignified way of being told he's fired. If it came by phone, US Postal Service, etc...so be it. He didn't look out for the well-being of many children who became prey to Sandusky. He could have EASILY stopped this before it snowballed. Also, in listening to his comments...he DARED the BOT to fire him. In addition, his statement outside of his home really seemed to marginalize the magnitude of the hurt these kids (who are now adults) are suffering. It's beating a dead horse, but I don't see how he could have continued to let Sandusky around campus. I HONESTLY believe that once these guys start singing to the feds, we'll find out Joe Paterno was tied into this scandal worse than what we already know.
Originally Posted by Rudemiester
PLUS.. (Just heard on the news in regards to the phonecall firing) ..the last time they tried to fire him he threw them out of his house. This dude had absolutely no respect for any proposed authority and over this past week it's showed from his actions to his comments.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Originally Posted by af1 1982
I've respected and still continue to respect your opinions in this thread DoubleJs
But I'm sorry I am going to have to disagree with you. Agree to disagree.
Nah, I gotcha....Obviously, I don't have any ties to the school aside from what I've been reading and seeing over the past couple of days. But in all the information I've gathered, I've lost every last bit of respect I've had for Joe Paterno. I don't think he deserves any sort of dignified way of being told he's fired. If it came by phone, US Postal Service, etc...so be it. He didn't look out for the well-being of many children who became prey to Sandusky. He could have EASILY stopped this before it snowballed. Also, in listening to his comments...he DARED the BOT to fire him. In addition, his statement outside of his home really seemed to marginalize the magnitude of the hurt these kids (who are now adults) are suffering. It's beating a dead horse, but I don't see how he could have continued to let Sandusky around campus. I HONESTLY believe that once these guys start singing to the feds, we'll find out Joe Paterno was tied into this scandal worse than what we already know.
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Originally Posted by Rudemiester
PLUS.. (Just heard on the news in regards to the phonecall firing) ..the last time they tried to fire him he threw them out of his house. This dude had absolutely no respect for any proposed authority and over this past week it's showed from his actions to his comments.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Nah, I gotcha....Obviously, I don't have any ties to the school aside from what I've been reading and seeing over the past couple of days. But in all the information I've gathered, I've lost every last bit of respect I've had for Joe Paterno. I don't think he deserves any sort of dignified way of being told he's fired. If it came by phone, US Postal Service, etc...so be it. He didn't look out for the well-being of many children who became prey to Sandusky. He could have EASILY stopped this before it snowballed. Also, in listening to his comments...he DARED the BOT to fire him. In addition, his statement outside of his home really seemed to marginalize the magnitude of the hurt these kids (who are now adults) are suffering. It's beating a dead horse, but I don't see how he could have continued to let Sandusky around campus. I HONESTLY believe that once these guys start singing to the feds, we'll find out Joe Paterno was tied into this scandal worse than what we already know.
Because he viewed himself AS the authority...I mean, the NERVE of him to sit there and dare the BOT to fire him shows the type of man he is....unreal.
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Originally Posted by hugebird
The whole process of dismissal discussion is stupid because it's more trivial *!%%$+*+ about pride and machismo, which are the foundations that allowed for a lot of the +%%+ that lead to the downfall of Paterno.