THE OFFICIAL SAN JOSE SHARKS SEASON THREAD!! PLAYOFFS VS CHICAGO WCF series 0-1

[acidicality]

Originally Posted by NothingToL0se

Originally Posted by acidicality

NTL stole this from me

 

[japanair21]

Acid you're kinda getting good at your variety.

Now only if you could get something worth a damn, and using them correctly.

You're like the little kid trying to fit the square block in the round hole.

 

[nothingtol0se]

Originally Posted by acidicality

Originally Posted by NothingToL0se

Originally Posted by acidicality

NTL stole this from me

 

[acidicality]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Acid you're kinda getting good at your variety.

Now only if you could get something worth a damn, and using them correctly.

You're like the little kid trying to fit the square block in the round hole.

 

[acidicality]

Originally Posted by NothingToL0se

Originally Posted by acidicality

Originally Posted by NothingToL0se

Originally Posted by acidicality

NTL stole this from me

 

[acidicality]

i win

 

[dland24]

A few questions here......
1) Is this money league idea you are talking about the same league that you were asking about draft times earlier? (the full one?)
2) Is this money league idea you are talking about the same league that offbad was talking about earlier? (the keeper league?)
3) Is this money league idea you are talking about an entirely new league?

I am down for any that there are spots in....yes money.

 

[dont be a menace]

Originally Posted by dland24

A few questions here......
1) Is this money league idea you are talking about the same league that you were asking about draft times earlier? (the full one?)
2) Is this money league idea you are talking about the same league that offbad was talking about earlier? (the keeper league?)
3) Is this money league idea you are talking about an entirely new league?

I am down for any that there are spots in....yes money.

1) no
2) no
3) yes

 

[lazyj10]

Unfortunately the deal with Ellison, from what I hear is, he won't lower his price. So Cohan of all people need to adjust and apparently he's way offon this team's worth...which can only be going down.

 

[lazyj10]

[h2]Robert Rowell's 25 fire-able offenses as Warriors colossus[/h2]
Posted by Tim Kawakami on October 14th, 2009 at 7:51 am | Categorized as NBA, Warriors

I promised it, here it is: A few days ago, I airily said there were at least 25 fire-able offenses committed by Warriors president Robert Rowell in the last 18 months, and I knew when I typed those words, I'd be challenged to actually list them.

Love a challenge. Now, I must concede that my time-table was errant. I did have to go a bit further back than 18 months. But if we say 2 years (OK, 30 months in once instance), then I think I'm still within safe territory. And that's not very long.

Also: Some of these offenses probably can and should be mostly pinned on owner Chris Cohan. But he's a ghost. Rowell is the front man.

I tried to parcel out only the ones I think Rowell was mainly involved in, that have the true antsy, PR-spin, cut-throat mark of RR, but maybe a few of them were strictly Cohan-ordered. But I tried.

Not all of these are meant totally seriously, and I've indicated that in the items.

But all of them are heavy reminders about the Rowell Reign, which been poor from the outset (he gained major power right around 2000), and especially kooky since the summer of 2007.

-THE LIST OF ROBERT ROWELL'S 25 FIRE-ABLE OFFENSES/

1. Giving Stephen Jackson a three-year, $27.8M extension last year, when Jackson still had two years left on his deal.

This one really could be five or six fire-able offenses, all in one. This is the doozy. This is the sum of all Rowell blunders, touching on all his weaknesses:

-Ego (felt it was time to assert his dominance in basketball ops);

-Anger (aimed to shove Chris Mullin out, believing that Mullin wasn't loyal enough);

-Arrogance (figured he alone could win SJax's enduring loyalty);

-Blindness (was unaware that Don Nelson was thinking about trying to trade SJax at the time);

-Fear (was worried SJax would go off the reservation, once Baron left, if he didn't get the deal);

-Innocence/neuroses (believed Jackson would be his personal ambassador-a nod from SJax and the other
players would think Rowell was cool);

-And Stupidity (disregaded Jackson's long history of volatility, happily signed a contract that would take Jackson, a potentially fast-aging player, from ages 31 to 35, ignored the oncoming recession and placed the Warriors in a horrendous long-term salary position as the league faces shrinking revenue and salary levels).

Basically, Rowell got taken by Jackson, straight up, no middle man to blame, nowhere to hide, no credible explanation.

If he had not gotten the extension, Jackson right now would be an expiring contract, with bidders lining up and with Jackson having every reason to be on his best behavior.

What's left: An unhappy, 31-year-old, cantankerous player who knows he's smarter than management, a ridiculous salary that is all but unmovable, and a locker room full of players who wonder how and when they should try to out-smart the team president.

Potentially, the Warriors might be forced to begin negotiations on a 90-95% buy-out of Jackson's extension… more than a year before the extension even starts.

-Why it's fire-able: Please. There might not have been a more obviously foolish executive decision in the last 10 years of the NBA-it led to zero additional happy years with Jackson, it's biting the Warriors now and probably will for years to come.

2. Negotiating the above-mentioned extension directly with Jackson, purposely bypassing basketball chief Chris Mullin.

Mullin would've never done this deal, which Rowell knew. In fact, Mullin had on-going trade talks with Detroit, potentially involving Tayshaun Prince coming to the Warriors-talks that were nixed as soon as word got out about Jackson's pending max deal.

Bypassing Mullin, for a deal this egregious, signalled to the league that the most credible basketball exec in the office no longer was in power.

Also, by urging Jackson to fire his agent, Dan Fegan, before discussing the deal, Rowell infuriated Fegan, one of the most powerful operators in the league.

-Why it's fire-able: Made Mullin a lame-duck, with nobody to replace him but Machiavellian Don Nelson, which caused players and agents around the league to wonder who was running the Warriors.

3. On a conference call with season-ticket-holders a few months after the Jackson extension, Rowell claimed the deal was "way less" than the reported three years, $27M.

Turns out, every piece of paper documented by the league says the extension is actually worth $27.8M. That's not less, that's actually more than was reported.

-Why it's fire-able: Well, that's only if you consider lying-or misleading-your best customers a bad thing, and only if you want them to trust you, and only if you're doing the misleading out of cravenness because you know you can't explain it any other truthful way.

4. In discussions with other members of the Warriors organization after Jackson's public trade request, saying that Jackson was over-emotional, didn't mean it, and would be fine as a Warrior this season. (According to two sources).

: Not fire-able independently, but a mark of an executive willing to mislead his colleagues. When else has he done that? What has he gained by doing it? Was he lying to himself?

-Why it's fire-able

5. Gave Nelson a two-year, $12M extension at the start of last season-an extension that runs through the 2011-12 season, when Nelson will be 71.

Not long after scrapping with Nelson over the coach's summer 2007 re-negotiation attempts, Rowell needed an ally, so he all but turned the franchise over to Nelson last year.

Which is never what you want to do with Nelson, who gobbles up power vacuums like beer nuts.

-Why it's fire-able: Rowell gave the hammer to the one guy in the NBA everybody knows you can't give the hammer to-Don Nelson. The result was inevitable: Chaos. Team presidents are supposed to know this.

6. Isolating, plotting against, and then dismissing Chris Mullin as VP of basketball operations.

I'm not saying Rowell (and Cohan) didn't have some legitimate beefs with a few of Mullin's decisions, particularly early in his five-year tenure. I'm not saying Rowell and Cohan didn't have the right to fire Mullin whenever they wanted, if it was for authentic reasons, at a sensible time.

But Rowell didn't do it directly and didn't do it in anything near a timely fashion. Instead, he spent an entire year working against Mullin-a poor political player-and freezing the operation simply because he was afraid that a simple no-nonsense firing would cause too much PR fall-out.

The end result was the loss of the most credible basketball exec in the organization, and league-wide questioning of what the hell's going on in the Warriors offices.

Mullin never fought back, despite the urgings of many of his friends around the league. He might not have deserve life-time tenure, but he deserved much more than he got.

-Why it's fire-able: A grown-up team president makes a decision, faces up to it, and doesn't try to sneak it in without anybody noticing. By trying to cover up his feud with Mullin, Rowell made the fall-out 10 times worse.

7. Issuing an apparent PR skirmish against Mullin, while Mullin was still nominally in charge of basketball operations.

Rowell had the power to dismiss Mullin. Yet my understanding is that he still commissioned his lieutenants to undermine Mullin in the media-though not many in the media bought it.

-Why it's fire-able: The team president apparently tried to plant negative information about his hoops chief-and franchise legend-in order to gain leverage. Is that in Sun-Tzu?

8. Announcing that he was dismissing Mullin because making the playoffs only once in five seasons was "unacceptable," even though Rowell had been in power for 9 seasons, also with only one playoff berth.

-Why it's fire-able: Not fire-able on its own, but as evidence that Rowell's move on Mullin was personal and political, not over actual basketball issues.

9. Hiring Nelson's good friend and former assistant Larry RIley as general manager last summer.

-Why it's fire-able: Not fire-able as a stand-alone move (because teams hire bleah GMs all the time), but acceding to Nelson's wishes on the GM was another sign of absolute Rowell weakness. Riley was the best GM candidate out there? No, he was not. After bouncing Mullin, Rowell just had zero other connections and had nowhere else to turn. That's fire-able.

10. Holding the void option over Monta Ellis' head for almost a full season after his scooter accident last summer.

-Why it was fire-able: a) The uncertainty upset Ellis, who was willing to accept some punishment for his huge error; b) Eventually, it back-fired on the Warriors when Ellis dared them to void the deal, which they declined to do.

So Rowell's void-play netted the team $0, angered Ellis, and then later proved to be an empty threat. Repercussions still on-going on this one.

11. Publicly chastizing Mullin when Mullin supported a lighter penalty for Ellis.

-Why it was fire-able: Rowell had a right to disagree with and over-rule Mullin's more lenient inclinations; but by volunteering his pique at Mullin while announcing the Ellis 30-game suspension, Rowell put his own ego above any sense of executive cohesion.

12. Taking extraordinary steps to try to prove that he and Ellis were actually very close, despite the suspension and void threat.

-Why it's fire-able: Not fire-able on its face, but, again, symbolic of a regime that habitually tries to cover up real and growing problems instead of dealing with them.

13. Failing to use any of the $9.9M trade exception acquired in the Jason Richardson trade in the one-year window following the deal on draft night 2007.

In the middle of the 2007-'08 season, Mullin worked out a deal to pick up Mike Miller, using the TE, but the salary-increase was rejected by Rowell (and Cohan).

-Why it's fire-able: The Warriors won 48 games in 2007-'08 and one more wing player, while Jackson, Baron and others played 40+ minutes a night, could've made a major difference down the stretch.

14. Stalling on some salary talk and making it more difficult for the Warriors to land Kevin Garnett on draft night 2007.

I'm not saying Rowell thwarted an almost-done deal for KG. But there's no question that the Warriors, along with two or three other teams, were given permission to talk to Garnett and his agent that night, to talk about a necessary extension as a prelude to a possible trade.

Several sources indicate that at the time, the Warriors' trade offer was the one Minnesota liked best, and the T-Wolves urged KG to talk to the Warriors. (Boston's offer wouldn't come for several weeks.)

But some things got in the way: KG was hesitant because he wanted to go to the Eastern Conference, plus he didn't like some of the contract talk he heard. One source indicates that Rowell started dragging his heels on a max extension, which is when KG and his agent decided to wait for another, better trade.

When the Garnett discussion broke up, Mullin still had to go through with the Richardson-to-Charlotte part of it.

-Why it's fire-able: IT WAS KG. Put him with Baron, Jackson, Pietrus, Barnes, Belinelli… That was the Warriors' shot at a multiple-round playoff run. It got screwed up.

15. Over-ruling Mullin on his tentative three-year, $39M extension deal with Baron Davis in the summer of 2008.

This is complicated because Rowell might not have been wrong on the numbers-that's a lot to give Davis, who has been injury-prone.

But the problem was the over-rule: If Mullin is your hoops chief, and he's built the first two winning teams in Cohan's ownership history, you let him do his job, and that meant giving him the freedom to sign Davis and prevent him from opt-ing out.

And the other problem was that Rowell made it personal. He didn't like the allowances Mullin made for Davis, and thought the extension offer was another extravagant allowance.

Rowell guessed that Davis was bluffing. (Truthfully, so did I.) Davis wasn't bluffing. He immediately agreed to a five-year, $65M deal with the Clippers. That was a vote of no-confidence.

Mullin never recovered from it.


-Why it was a fire-able offense: Rowell lost Baron, the franchise's key player, and lost Mullin in the same decision.

16. Reacting to the Davis departure by frantically offering $100-million-plus free-agent deals to Gilbert Arenas and Elton Brand, who both had already committed to other teams.

-Why it's fire-able: Might as well have broadcast the Warriors' panic live on ESPN. If Rowell was ready to spend that much, why did he hold the line on Davis? The league began to take notice of the front-office turmoil.

Arenas, in particular, apparently just laughed at the offer.

17. Failing on Arenas and Brand, Rowell urged any kind of signing, which Mullin followed by signing Corey Maggette to a five-year, $50M deal.

-Why it's fire-able: Mullin was in on this one, but he did it at Rowell's behest. This, too, was driven mainly by the post-Baron panic. If you won't pay Davis $56M over four (including his $17M opt-in), why would you pay a non-factor like Maggette $50M? How mediocre, expensive rosters are built.

18. Firing assistant GM Pete D'Alessandro in the middle of last year.

Rowell suspected (wrongly, I believe) that D'Alessandro was leaking pro-Mullin info to the media and Rowell also wanted to isolate Mullin. Is this how a secure team president thinks and works?
-Why it's fire-able: Another one that isn't fire-able by itself but is indicative of a power-mad executive. D'Alessandro was the team's best salary-cap specialist and information-gatherer, gone in a
burst of RR anger.

19. Withholding the balance of former coach Mike Montgomery's contract-about $1M-arguing that an off-set provision forced Montgomery to accept a job far from the Bay Area.

-Why it's fire-able: Not fire-able on its own, and possibly ordered by Cohan, but it's still small-minded and chilling for anybody contemplating a move to the Warriors-will you be paid the full balance of your contract?

Montgomery failed, but was honorable with the Warriors. They should've been honorable with them.

20. Letting Don Nelson handle the Al Harrington situation last year.

-Why it's fire-able: If there's one coach who shouldn't decide what to do with a disgruntled player, it's Nelson. The result: The Warriors gave up a valuable player at a need position (power forward) on a short contract for a less-valuable combo guard with a longer contract (Jamal Crawford). All around waste of assets.

21. Letting Don Nelson mess with Crawford and Marcus Williams last season.


-Why it's fire-able: Some executive had to step in, at some point, while Nelson was blithely reducing the value of Crawford (a pure scorer who didn't fit with Ellis) and Williams (a salvageable point guard ignored by Nelson). Mullin was out of the picture. So nobody stepped in. More wasted assets.

22. Letting Nelson disparage Anthony Randolph last season.

Nelson claims it was just tough-love, but many who witnessed his treatment of Randolph last year disagree. Randolph down-plays it now, too, publicly, but we'll see if the memories linger (of playing Rob Kurz ahead of him), now that Nelson needs Randolph.

Somebody had to intervene. Again: Mullin was ex-communicated and there was nobody else with credibility, thanks to Rowell's purge.

-Why it's fire-able: It didn't work with Chris Webber, didn't work with Patrick Ewing. Why would it work with Randolph, who is the future of the Warriors and was from the moment he was drafted?

23.Supervising the break-up of the 2007 "We Believe" team for salary purposes.

Not all of the decisions were questionable, but the full result was:

-The loss of Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, Mickael Pietrus, Al Harrington and Matt Barnes…

For…

-Brandan Wright, Acie Law, Speedy Claxton, and the money that netted Corey Maggette and Ronny Turiaf and re-signed Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins (and maybe a few more odds and ends).

: Not fire-able deal by deal, but in totality, the Warriors gave up a chance at multiple playoff berths, with an exciting, cohesive team, and didn't get much in return.

24. Supporting a management culture that sprouted "the Flunkster Dude" anonymous comments and the featuring of Rowell's full-page picture as the first featured photo in the last two media guides (and we'll see about this one).

-Why it's fire-able

-Why it's a fire-able offense: Not fire-able on its own, but… come on, this kind of bizarre campaigning and sucking up only happens in very strange kingdoms.

25. Ignoring entreaties by the man who started the "We Believe" movement, Paul Wong, which lost him as a season-ticket-holder.

-Why it's a fire-able offense: Not fire-able as a stand-alone event, but the sheer arrogance and symbolism is astounding. Wong wanted some credit and went out of his way to ask for it. Rowell wouldn't give it to him.

Only Rowell can explain why.

 

[ady2glude707]

Dudes a joke, I hope him and Cohan are gone soon

 

[tim lincecum]

Robert $+#%#@+ Rowell!

This guy just doesn't know any better and is a +$@%*** power hungry excuse for a president.

It was a good read to start my morning.

 

[ady2glude707]

Girl in your avy, who is it?

 

[daprescription]

13. Failing to use any of the $9.9M trade exception acquired in the Jason Richardson trade in the one-year window following the deal on draft night 2007.
In the middle of the 2007-'08 season, Mullin worked out a deal to pick up Mike Miller, using the TE, but the salary-increase was rejected by Rowell (and Cohan).
-Why it's fire-able: The Warriors won 48 games in 2007-'08 and one more wing player, while Jackson, Baron and others played 40+ minutes a night, could've made a major difference down the stretch.
this *$##$!+ team is a *$##$!+ joke. i am done supporting this team until cohan and rowell are gone. I'll support Randolph and Curry, but asa whole, nope.

 

[eagle 0n]

[h1][/h1]

[h1]Golden State Warriors pick up options on both Randolph and Wright[/h1]
Oakland Tribune wire services

Posted: 10/14/2009 12:03:17 PM PDT

Updated: 10/14/2009 12:28:45 PM PDT

The Warriors announced Wednesday they've exercised the fourth-year contract option on forward Brandan Wright and the third-year contract option on forward Anthony Randolph, which are both for the 2010-11 NBA season.

Wright, 22, underwent successful surgery to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder on Oct. 9 and will miss at least a significant part of the season. A 6-foot-10 forward, Wright appeared in 39 games last season, averaging 8.3 points and 4.0 rebounds in 17.6 minutes per contest. Overall in two NBA seasons, the University of North Carolina product has appeared in 77 games, averaging 6.2 points, 3.3 rebounds and 13.8 minutes per contest.

The 20-year-old Randolph appeared in 63 games last season, averaging 7.9 points, 5.8 rebounds and 1.17 blocks in 17.9 minutes during a rookie campaign in which he was the youngest player in the NBA. The 6-11 forward started 22 games last season, averaging 10.6 points, 8.5 rebounds and 25.7 minutes in those assignments.

Under the terms of the NBA's current collective bargaining agreement, the first two years of a first round draft pick's contract are guaranteed, while the third and fourth year of the contract are the team's option. Wright was selected with the eighth overall selection in the 2007 draft by the Charlotte Bobcats and later acquired by Golden State, while Randolph was selected by the Warriors with the 14th pick in the 2008 draft.

 

[andrew630]

i wanna murk rowell

 

[what up]

Originally Posted by daprescription

13. Failing to use any of the $9.9M trade exception acquired in the Jason Richardson trade in the one-year window following the deal on draft night 2007.
In the middle of the 2007-'08 season, Mullin worked out a deal to pick up Mike Miller, using the TE, but the salary-increase was rejected by Rowell (and Cohan).
-Why it's fire-able: The Warriors won 48 games in 2007-'08 and one more wing player, while Jackson, Baron and others played 40+ minutes a night, could've made a major difference down the stretch.

this *$##$!+ team is a *$##$!+ joke. i am done supporting this team until cohan and rowell are gone. I'll support Randolph and Curry, but as a whole, nope.


Even if you support just those two players, Cohen is still getting your money.

 

[daprescription]

Originally Posted by What up

Originally Posted by daprescription

13. Failing to use any of the $9.9M trade exception acquired in the Jason Richardson trade in the one-year window following the deal on draft night 2007.
In the middle of the 2007-'08 season, Mullin worked out a deal to pick up Mike Miller, using the TE, but the salary-increase was rejected by Rowell (and Cohan).
-Why it's fire-able: The Warriors won 48 games in 2007-'08 and one more wing player, while Jackson, Baron and others played 40+ minutes a night, could've made a major difference down the stretch.

this *$##$!+ team is a *$##$!+ joke. i am done supporting this team until cohan and rowell are gone. I'll support Randolph and Curry, but as a whole, nope.

Even if you support just those two players, Cohen is still getting your money.

I haven't bought a ticket to a warriors game through ticketmaster since like 2002. I always go through ebay or cl. The food they sell atOracle goes to the venue right? If not, then that's the only way I'm supporting those bastards.

 

[darthska]

How's Stephen Curry looking?

 

[dland24]

Ska in the Warriors thead?

I'll let others answer your question Ska. I am not the right one to answer.

 

[daprescription]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

How's Stephen Curry looking?

Shooting pretty bad. For all the critics that said he can't run the point, he is looking pretty good right now (considering that he is arookie of course and on the loser warriors).

 

[franchise 55]

Originally Posted by Paul Is On Tilt

Updated:

ATTN: All GMs of the 3rd Annual NT Warriors League, please put in your availability for the draft time. I will choose the date that fits our schedules best. The draft will be held between October 18 through October 24.

The decision on the draft time will be made on Friday, October 16 (or earlier if everyone replies before then).

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Thanks Andrew. Tell your bro for me.

It's looking even more likely we're going for a weekday night.

Sorry for the delay. I'm also down for the money league. I have Paypal.

 

[lazyj10]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

How's Stephen Curry looking?

Based on seeing him live in person once and the rest on TV -
1) Sometimes waits too long for the game to develop, he needs to take control earlier.
2) Court vision is probably the best on the team overall which also leads me to think he's going to have a strong bball IQ (aka the intangibles we long forbut don't currently have)
3) His shooting has been terrible, however, this is the least of concerns because you know it'll click eventually. I'd imagine he's over thinkingit at this point, from form alone you'll know he'll be fine.
4) Shorter/quicker guards and taller/bigger guards will give him trouble. He's not FAST, per se, but he shows he can think to make up for it. Very fasthands make up for him when he recovers. I see he can be post up against if a bigger guard (baron, for instance) can iso him on the block.
5) I think he'll be better off as a PG in the long run, if he can continue to develop. He's probably our best option there too, which isn't sayingmuch. I'm willing to go through a season of up and down learning if it'll mean something for his W (however long it is) career...say compared toMonta.

 

[lazyj10]

Let's bring it back to how Bob got his gig:

[h1]SUSAN SLUSSER ON THE AIR -- Papa Out, Fitzgerald In on Warriors TV[/h1]
Susan Slusser

Thursday, September 11, 1997

In an astonishing move, the Warriors have replaced Greg Papa, one of the nation's most accomplished broadcasters, with untried Bob Fitzgerald on the team's telecasts.

The news stunned Papa as much as anyone, and he's upset with both his longtime employer and with his former friend Fitzgerald.

``I'm just incredibly miffed,'' said Papa, who spent eight seasons as the Warriors' radio play- by-play man and two as their TV announcer. ``Any previous relationship I had with Bob was discarded and any previous work I did for the Warriors was discarded.

``Bob told me if it wasn't him, the Warriors said it was going to be someone else -- and the Warriors told me that if it wasn't for Bob, they would have re-signed me. One of them is lying, and I think Bob was used. And it was his willingness to be used that pushed me over the cliff.''

Papa, 34, also does TV work for the A's and is just entering his first season as the Raiders' radio voice. That new job led to his ouster by the Warriors.

``The sense I got was that the Raiders' deal was the proverbial final straw,'' said Fitzgerald's agent, Martin Mandel. ``They felt that was stretching things a little bit, and it took away some of the cachet of Greg being their guy.''

But Papa was careful to consult with both the Warriors and the A's before accepting the Raiders' job.

``I've got to believe that (Warriors owner) Chris Cohan got into the car and heard highlights of me calling the Raiders on `The Ticket' and then went home and saw me on the TV doing the A's, and he believes his message is being diluted,'' said Papa, who was coming off a one-year deal with the Warriors. ``But I did not pursue the Raiders' job without informing the Warriors at every step.

``It was actually written into my previous contract that I was free to pursue NFL work, and I really felt it was do-able in light of what everyone had told me. I called the Warriors specifically to clear it, and (Warriors legal counsel) Robin Baggett told me it was not a deal- breaker. Either they were lying to me, or they didn't think through what it meant.''

Baggett confirmed his comments to Papa, but added, ``We always told Greg we didn't like all his work with other teams. We agreed to it, but reluctantly. I told him the Raiders' job wouldn't preclude a deal in and of itself, but our position has been real clear that we didn't like it.''

Papa is furious with KNBR afternoon host Fitzgerald; Papa has tried to help Fitzgerald break into play-by-play for some time, and even endorsed Fitzgerald for the Warriors' radio job two years ago.

``Bob considered me a friend and I find it shocking that he was the one who was hired and in the way it went down,'' Papa said. ``I didn't expect this, and he's been talking to them for three weeks -- I think he owed me a phone call. I would have liked a warning.

``I was supportive in trying to find Fitz work, and I advised him to go to lunch with Chris Cohan and Robin Baggett,'' Papa continued. ``Obviously, they found they had someone who was willing to work for their organization at any cost.''

Fitzgerald declined comment, but Mandel said that the Warriors approached Fitzgerald -- and that his client, who had only expressed interest in a backup job, refused to have any conversations with the team unless the Warriors already had decided that Papa was not in their plans.

``When it comes to basketball play-by-play, I'm as much a fan of Greg Papa as anyone,'' Mandel said. ``Bob and I were both taken aback, because of Greg's stature and competence.''

The Warriors, according to Mandel, already had determined that, and asked Fitzgerald for complete confidentiality during their talks. Baggett confirmed that.

``We approached Bob because we wanted to make a change,'' Baggett said. ``Exclusivity was what interested us. We wanted to find someone who was ours.''

Papa said he called Fitzgerald after the announcement to find out what happened.

``Bob started out trying to protect himself legally,'' Papa said. ``He said he didn't want to say a lot because he thought I'd sue him -- which is absurd.''

Money might have been a factor for the Warriors: Fitzgerald's relative inexperience will mean a far lower salary than Papa's. But Mandel and Papa agreed that it was a secondary consideration.

``They are saving money, but I don't think that falls high on their list of reasons,'' Papa said.

Fitzgerald, 31, did some fill-in work on Warriors' radio broadcasts last season and hosted the team's TV and radio ``Roundtable'' programs. He has done play-by- play for the San Jose SaberCats Arena Football League team, along with Cal basketball and work for Westwood One radio.

Mandel said that Fitzgerald has agreed to give up all other play-by- play work to concentrate on the Warriors but hopes to retain his KNBR gig. Mandel met with KNBR officials yesterday to discuss Fitzgerald's status.

``Suffice it to say, we were caught off guard by the whole thing,'' said KNBR program director Bob Agnew, who anticipates several upcoming on-air changes. `We're still evaluating the situation.''

 

[paul is on tilt]

Greg Papa Pump would murder Bob Fitzgerald.