The Official NBA Season Thread: Fries Discourse | Mavs vs Jazz

[WASHED KING]

2x scoring champ at 6’3”. One of the best paint finishers ever at his size

again, just cause it doesn’t look a certain way doesn’t mean it’s not goat level standards

Never said he wasn't a good finisher at the rim, just don't think in all totality he's a better scorer than Bron or KD.

If you asked me who was a better scorer between Steph and Jordan I'd pick Steph. Hard to pick the guard over 2 complete wings who can shoot from the perimeter, put the ball on the floor, and post up.

 

[JMB10215]

You do not score 40k points at 6’8” off of layups

This has always been the issue with people’s perception of him, going back to the “Melo is a better pure scorer” days

When people say pure scorer they mean the ability to get a bucket at all 3 levels consistently. No one can stop Lebron at the rim. And he has a great 3. But he doesn’t have a complete offensive arsenal however it’s not needed. He’s a freak of nature

 

[JMB10215]

These are the numbers. Lebron is still the 2nd greatest player ever.

 

[WASHED KING]

The mid range jumpshot is the worst shot in basketball.

Seems like other players can't get to the pain as consistently.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Never said he wasn't a good finisher at the rim, just don't think in all totality he's a better scorer than Bron or KD.

If you asked me who was a better scorer between Steph and Jordan I'd pick Steph. Hard to pick the guard over 2 complete wings who can shoot from the perimeter, put the ball on the floor, and post up.

Again those are stylistic preferences.

“It’s hard to pick those guys because they don’t shoot from the same distance or even close to the same clip as gods son and you don’t have to pick them up at half court”

 

[WASHED KING]

Again those are stylistic preferences.

“It’s hard to pick those guys because they don’t shoot from the same distance or even close to the same clip as gods son and you don’t have to pick them up at half court”

It's not. I'm looking at FG%.

Steph is a great scorer just not above those other guys.

 

[JMB10215]

The mid range jumpshot is the worst shot in basketball.

Seems like other players can't get to the pain as consistently.

Its the most valuable shot in the playoffs/ half court basketball. Only when you look at it from a math perspective that its a bad shot. KD, Kawhi, and MJ beg to differ

 

[addict4sneakers]

The mid range jumpshot is the worst shot in basketball.

Seems like other players can't get to the pain as consistently.

For role players.

 

[JMB10215]

There's no way you can look at these numbers and conclude Lebron is great at all three levels of scoring. At year 22 he could of focused on getting his mid range better, however he chose to continue to work on his body to stay being good at what he is already dominate at, which is scoring in the paint and playmaking.

 

[nick.]

You do not score 40k points at 6’8” off of layups

This has always been the issue with people’s perception of him, going back to the “Melo is a better pure scorer” days

It's crazy the player with the most points ever is not generally viewed as one of the best scorers ever

 

[JMB10215]

It's crazy the player with the most points ever is not generally viewed as one of the best scorers ever

Karl Malone was the 2nd leading scorer for years and now 3rd and I still don't see him brought up in the convo. Just saying. Id take KD and Kobe over Malone scoring wise

 

[WASHED KING]

For role players.

For everyone.

The mid range jumpshot across the board is statistically the lowest percentage shot.

 

[addict4sneakers]

It's not. I'm looking at FG%.

Steph is a great scorer just not above those other guys.

True shooting %s. Lebron, Steph, KD not in order. Take a guess which one is Steph’s

62.6
58.9
61.9

And just a minute ago you said “midrange is a terrible shot” so you can’t reject analytics.

 

[WASHED KING]

True shooting %s. Take. Lebron, Steph, KD not in order. Take a guess which one is Steph’s

62.6
58.9
61.9

And just a minute ago you said “midrange is a terrible shot” so you can’t reject analytics.

Free throw % skew TS% and you know it.

 

[WASHED KING]

It's crazy the player with the most points ever is not generally viewed as one of the best scorers ever

Bron getting punished by being able to get to the rim and not settling for tough jumpshots is insane.

If through my skill I can go 9/10 from layups in a game vs someone else who goes 5/10 from having to shoot jumpers how can that other person say they're a better scorer?

That's yall's logic.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Free throw % skew TS% and you know it.

Are free throws points? Steph’s attempts probably not high enough to skew it that much is his favor

 

[WASHED KING]

Are free throws points?

If TS% is the deciding factor why is Steve Nash not in the conversation?

 

[lynchpin33]

Excuses.

Wonder if they address that side step foolishness as well?

 

[addict4sneakers]

If TS% is the deciding factor why is Steve Nash not in the conversation?

Mean pivot game. We are talking about all time great scorers.

 

[AIR J XIII]

Bron shot 40% from 3 this past season on 5 attempts per game, something Jordan never did.

Not sure what MJ has to do with this topic, but he averaged less than 2 3s per game over his career, so that's a moot point

You do not score 40k points at 6’8” off of layups

Every season of Lebron's career, the shot he takes most is from 0-3 feet, outside of 21-23 when he shot a ton of 3s.

 

[WASHED KING]

Mean pivot game. We are talking about all time great scorers.

Steph has less career points than Russ

 

[WASHED KING]

Not sure what MJ has to do with this topic, but he averaged less than 2 3s per game over his career, so that's a moot point

Every season of Lebron's career, the shot he takes most is from 0-3 feet, outside of 21-23 when he shot a ton of 3s.

The highest % shot in basketball is a layup.

How is this a slight?

 

[JMB10215]

Its not a slight, but its just that lebron stans act a little disingenuous/oblivious as to why some basketball fans don't put him in the pure scorer category despite his career totals. Giannis averaged 30 ppg but he's not considered a pure scorer. He's just a dominate player, because no one can stop him at the rim. Its not a bad thing. But even Lebron has some weaknesses. There's a reason why Kyrie/Wade would take the last shot and lebron would set up the play. Different strengths as a player. If its no time to dribble, ill let lebron shoot it tho

 

[akajae]

A MJ Stan a LeBron Stan and a Steph Stan walk into a bar…

 

[WASHED KING]

And the Kobe stan will still be the loudest