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What are we defining "Talent" to be?More to do w/ physical capacities, sure. But actual TALENT? Nah not at all. I never heard of anyone being a "talented defender"
Maybe that is a hang up in this discussion
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What are we defining "Talent" to be?More to do w/ physical capacities, sure. But actual TALENT? Nah not at all. I never heard of anyone being a "talented defender"
Skimmed your post, no disrespect but concerning Lebron you tend to be super less than objective but.....I do ask this
Give me the finals record of the top 5 GOATS then.
If Lebron is in talks to be top5 and this is why 2-7 would be terrible, give me the other top 5's resume, blood!
I'll wait.....
I called you Herb Pope. How is that a shot or an insult? I give EVERYONE a fake nickname man.Let's have a discussion w/o resorting to insults or little shots. Save that for the chicks bruh
Dudes apparently believe that you have to be a born defender or something. You really don't. Playing basketball all my life has taught me that. If you don't have the "IQ" to stay w/ your man or switch off screens, then basketball is not the sport for you
Well, defensively, it will be tougher for your Mo Speights of the world than your Dwight Howards of the world just due to lack of physical tools. Dude is like 6' 10" and cant dunk the ball.
Agree that defense is based a lot on effort, but if you are slow and unathletic, you are going to have a real hard time guarding your physical freaks like Westbrook.
That being said, Irving has the tools to be a good defender.
I always felt like Ray Allen was a willing defender but was just terrible at it.
Quote the person that said anything close to thatI can def. agree w/ this. But ppl are acting like defense doesn't take any effort. There are a ton of athletic dudes on offense who seem to be bad defenders. The tools are there, they're just missing the effort part. You really have to WANT to play defense.
Man. I don't know. But you shouldn't need to be doing extra work to convince your coworker that Kyrie is just bad on d. Your coworker needs eyes transplants.
I guess you didn't readI can def. agree w/ this. But ppl are acting like defense doesn't take any effort. There are a ton of athletic dudes on offense who seem to be bad defenders. The tools are there, they're just missing the effort part. You really have to WANT to play defense.
Just like anything else, Depends on who you are honestly.
More effort is needed for Delly to be an above average on ball defender than it is for someone like Shumpert; who has greater physical tools.
But I get your point. Effort needs to be there if you want to consistently contribute on that end of the floor
I always felt like Ray Allen was a willing defender but was just terrible at it.
Correct. He was a decent enough defender. In Miami he was foodIdk if Ray Allen was terrible. Maybe for most of his career but in Boston he was good enough to play significantly for a vaunted defense. I'm of the belief that a good defense is only as good as its weakest link.
Quote the person that said anything close to thatI can def. agree w/ this. But ppl are acting like defense doesn't take any effort. There are a ton of athletic dudes on offense who seem to be bad defenders. The tools are there, they're just missing the effort part. You really have to WANT to play defense.
You got it bro
Just like anything else, Depends on who you are honestly.
More effort is needed for Delly to be an above average on ball defender than it is for someone like Shumpert; who has greater physical tools.
But I get your point. Effort needs to be there if you want to consistently contribute on that end of the floor
it helps when you were surrounded by KG, Tony Allen, Perkins, and Rondo that played defense.Idk if Ray Allen was terrible. Maybe for most of his career but in Boston he was good enough to play significantly for a vaunted defense. I'm of the belief that a good defense is only as good as its weakest link.
Don't, "You got it" me when you are saying people said something that nobody saidYou got it bro
I can def. agree w/ this. But ppl are acting like defense doesn't take any effort. There are a ton of athletic dudes on offense who seem to be bad defenders. The tools are there, they're just missing the effort part. You really have to WANT to play defense.
I guess you didn't read
Just like anything else, Depends on who you are honestly.
More effort is needed for Delly to be an above average on ball defender than it is for someone like Shumpert; who has greater physical tools.
But I get your point. Effort needs to be there if you want to consistently contribute on that end of the floor
How much is it Kyrie being bad on defense vs him being at a size disadvantage against the likes of livingston and barnes
So again, quote the person that said effort isn't neededYou aren't the only one in this thread bruh
More to do w/ physical capacities, sure. But actual TALENT? Nah not at all. I never heard of anyone being a "talented defender"
Again, I disagree. There were at least 15-20 points last night where he got beat off of simple moves or back cuts. That's bad D.Thank you. Kyrie isn't great on defense but most of his missed opportunities on D came from size disadvantage. Adjustments will be made
So again, quote the person that said effort isn't neededYou aren't the only one in this thread bruh
Nah, you aren't getting off that easy.Just letting y'all know, y'all don't have to agree w/ things I say. Don't take it so personal