Just for the sake of argument……….both have tumbled leather, the Banned 1 have the best leather I have ever gotten from Nike to date, last time I saw that quality was before 2005, second is the wife’s Kate spade purse, once again tumbled leather, soft and great quality so your argument that tumbled leather is trash don’t hold no weight at all ijs…..
Also stiff leather does not constitute good leather, point look at all the dunks Nike been pumping out, they smooth leather and stiff, does that make them “quality” by your definition?