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Originally Posted by CP1708
Sign Garrard to back up Moore, get as many starters from the draft as we can (Philbin also helps here, he saw how GB built everything thru the draft) then play the year out, go into 2013 with your QB in focus. Gonna be a lot to choose from, won't even have to trade up or anything for one.
Add 2 playmakers on D, like say Ingram/Hosley
2-3 players on O, Streeter/Toon, + a TE in the 6-4/6-5 mold (maybe Peterson from LSU)
Then just try to find value in rounds 5-7 like we did last year with Clay and Wilson.
Come next year, we take QB round 1, and then address whatever else after that. Be it Oline, RB, another WR, maybe another TE, etc.
That fills out the entire roster, with 3 solid drafts in a row, IF we do it right.
And yes, Ireland not landing key free agents could be a problem, but at least we don't give out 50 million to Pierre Garcon's or @#$% like that.Saves us in a way.
Originally Posted by rillo561
Come on dolphins trade up for that tannenhill guy.
Originally Posted by mr2cool80
Originally Posted by henz0
Tebow??
All signs pointing mostly towards J-Ville for the most part ...
In the immortal words of Vince Lombardi (sort of), "What the hell's going on down there?!"
In Miami, I mean.
In the last 10 years this franchise has been the most luckless, clueless, hapless club. To wit:
Head coaches (seven): Dave Wannstedt, Jim Bates, Nick Saban, Cam Cameron, Tony Sparano, Todd Bowles and now Joe Philbin.
Starting quarterbacks, minimum four starts (13): Jay Fiedler, Ray Lucas, Brian Griese, A.J. Feeley, Gus Frerotte, Daunte Culpepper, Joey Harrington, Cleo Lemon(!), Trent Green, John Beck, Chad Pennington, Chad Henne and now, evidently, Matt Moore. Unless they sign Alex Smith this morning, and if so, Smith would be in line to be the 14th starting quarterback in the last 11 seasons.
Offensive coordinators (seven): Norv Turner, Chris Foerster, Scott Linehan, Mike Mularkey, Dan Henning, Brian Daboll and now Mike Sherman.
Defensive coordinators (six): Jim Bates, Richard Smith, Dom Capers, Paul Pasqualoni, Mike Nolan and now Kevin Coyle.
The most bizarre moves, and aftermaths, of the last decade of Miami Dolphins football -- actually, decade plus 11 days, considering that the Dolphins traded for Ricky Williams 10 years and 11 days ago:
1. The ridiculous inability to find, develop and decide on a quarterback who could be even half as good as Dan Marino. Miami, in the last 10 years, has traded a seven for Rosenfels, a two for Feeley, a two for Culpepper, a six for Lemon, a five for Green, and used a two to draft Beck and another two to draft Henne. None is on the team anymore. None became a shadow of Marino. And Sunday, when Matt Flynn chose Seattle over Miami as the prize of a thin free agent quarterback crop, it left the Dolphins scrambling and reconsidering how aggressively to go after Alex Smith. Or hope Ryan Tannehill of Texas A&M would be there with the eighth pick in the first round on April 26. Or play with Matt Moore. Not very good options.
2. The ill-fated hiring of Nick Saban. He was supposed to turn the Dolphins around, and be the head coach for life, when Wayne Huizenga hired him early in 2005. He went 15-17, made a horrendous quarterback decision (picking Culpepper over Drew Brees in 2006) and skulked off to Alabama after denying 613 times he'd go back to college football.
3. The one you've all forgotten. Two days apart in early 2007, soon after Saban skulked off to Alabama (can't use that phrase enough), Miami interviewed two coordinator prospects -- among others -- to succeed Saban. The Dolphins favored offensive coordinator Cam Cameron of San Diego over Minnesota defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin. Cameron got the Miami job. Tomlin got the Pittsburgh job. Cameron went 1-15 and got fired. Tomlin went 10-6, won the AFC North and is 55-25 since, with a Super Bowl win.
4. Trades that stunk. Ricky Williams came in 2002 for two first-round draft picks and gave the Dolphins two terrific seasons -- and five lousy ones, and one-and-a-half suspended ones. Wes Welker was made a restricted free agent in 2007, and the Patriots stole him for second- and seventh-round draft picks. Those two picks turned into one season of center Samson Satele before he was dumped to Oakland for a sixth-rounder the next year. I'd call the Brandon Marshall trade (for two second-rounders in 2010) a debacle, but they did regain two third-rounders this year. They wasted two second-rounders on quarterbacks who barely had cups of coffee in Miami -- Feeley and Culpepper.
5. Drew Brees. Saban chose Culpepper over Brees in March 2006 because Brees was rehabbing major shoulder surgery. Ten months later, Saban skulked off to Alabama, and the 1-15 Dolphins of 2007 played with Lemon, Green and Beck. Funny thing, as I wrote a couple of months ago: On the night Miami had to make the decision which way to go on Brees or Culpepper, owner Wayne Huizenga was out to dinner with a friend and said. "I want them to sign Brees. They want Culpepper.'' Huizenga got a call on his cell phone and walked outside. When he came back inside the restaurant, Huizenga said his football people were insistent that Culpepper, for reasons monetary and football and health, was a better choice than Brees. "I told them, they're the football guys, not me,'' said Huizenga. But the owner repeated that if it were up to him, he'd have signed Brees. Miami is 37-59 since, with no playoff wins.
Clearly, when Huizenga brought in Bill Parcells, who imported Jeff Ireland from the Cowboys, he didn't expect the disastrous personnel run that has ensued. (And the man who bought the Dolphins from Huizenga, Stephen Ross, didn't expect Ireland to ask Dez Bryant the sordid question about his mother's occupation in the run-up to the 2010 draft either.) The Ross-Ireland daily double has failed to lure Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher, and has failed to land Peyton Manning or Matt Flynn either.
When I was talking to Flynn Sunday night about why he chose the Seahawks, he must have repeated three or four times how much he liked the feeling he got from the Seahawks' coaches and front office people when he was in Seattle. He wouldn't say anything negative about Miami; he is very fond of his former offensive coordinator in Green Bay, Philbin. But clearly Flynn felt the love more in Seattle than in Miami.
It's absolutely amazing how much failure the Dolphins have endured in the last 10 years. And the way this year is beginning -- losing out on Fisher, Manning and Flynn -- I'm amazed that Ross is putting up with it without blowing a gasket.
Been hearing this sentence for 10 years, AT LEAST.Originally Posted by CP1708
Sign Garrard to back up Moore, get as many starters from the draft as we can (Philbin also helps here, he saw how GB built everything thru the draft) then play the year out, go into 2013 with your QB in focus. Gonna be a lot to choose from, won't even have to trade up or anything for one.
Add 2 playmakers on D, like say Ingram/Hosley
2-3 players on O, Streeter/Toon, + a TE in the 6-4/6-5 mold (maybe Peterson from LSU)
Then just try to find value in rounds 5-7 like we did last year with Clay and Wilson.
Come next year, we take QB round 1, and then address whatever else after that. Be it Oline, RB, another WR, maybe another TE, etc.
That fills out the entire roster, with 3 solid drafts in a row, IF we do it right.
And yes, Ireland not landing key free agents could be a problem, but at least we don't give out 50 million to Pierre Garcon's or @#$% like that.Saves us in a way.
Originally Posted by rashi
Man, forget this QB talk. I'm ready to ride or die with Moore. Nobody can tell me that Alex Smith is better than Matt Moore, and this organization was willing to spend money a scrub that cn't throw the ball more than 30 yards in the air.
Originally Posted by bkmac
Dolphins off-season plans:
Plan A- Manning
Plan B- Flynn
Plan C- RG3
Plan D- Matt Moore working out
Plan E- Somebody with a pulse
Plan F- David Garrard
Next?
Originally Posted by bkmac
Dolphins off-season plans:
Plan A- Manning
Plan B- Flynn
Plan C- RG3
Plan D- Matt Moore working out
Plan E- Somebody with a pulse
Plan F- David Garrard
Next?
Mark Sanchez is your starting QB though.Originally Posted by bkmac
Dolphins off-season plans:
Plan A- Manning
Plan B- Flynn
Plan C- RG3
Plan D- Matt Moore working out
Plan E- Somebody with a pulse
Plan F- David Garrard
Next?
No, we were delusional to believe that Peyton Manning actually wanted to play here just because he owns a couple vacation homes in South Florida. I never believed that Matt Flynn was the answer, he was a very average player at LSU with only two NFL starts, of the which his best performance being in week 17 against a team that had already clinched a playoff spot. After those two who was left? Alex Smith? No thanks. At this point we're stuck with Moore, I wouldn't look much into the Garrard signing either, he was only brought in to give Moore some competition. The fact of the matter is there was only one QB worth getting this off season and he just so happened to be one of the greatest of all time, were we the only ones that lost out on him? No, ask the guys over in San Fran and Tennessee how they feel to be snubbed by Peyton. The only way this team can move forward is through the draft, and if there is one arena that Ireland has proved himself in it's in scouting and the NFL Draft. Whether our future QB comes in this class or the next I'm not sure, but our owner has shown signs of discontent with mediocrity, which points to the fact that we will draft that guy whether it's this year or next.Originally Posted by kc24688
Anybody trying to make positives out of this is delusional. We are stuck with Jeff Ireland and Stephen Ross. That is all that needs to be said. I could do a better job with the internet and some friends.
Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49
Phins beat the jets right out of the Luck / rg3 sweepstakes.
Originally Posted by PauliePeppas
Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49
Phins beat the jets right out of the Luck / rg3 sweepstakes.
Truth, and mark sanchez has 4 more playoff wins than the dolphins have had in the last 12 years ....yikes