^ The Avengers - Official Movie Thread: Out Now!! ^

[Deleted member 38182]

^there were none homie


Ya know, Marvel hasn't exactly been following comic book storylines to a T....... I'm sure they could make a Civil War movie with just using the theme of it.

 

[Deleted member 37754]

Originally Posted by rck2sactown

^there were none homie


Ya know, Marvel hasn't exactly been following comic book storylines to a T....... I'm sure they could make a Civil War movie with just using the theme of it.

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Was coming in just to say this...[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Does Thor HAVE to be a clone? no. not with the current story line.[/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Does spider man HAVE to be there... as i recall he flip flopped all over the place and made no Deep contribution any way. so again, No.[/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Same goes for FF and Xmen, they were just kinda there doing their own story lines through out the civil war.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Main Players... Avengers (all of them), specifically Iron Man, Shield, Cap, Clone Thor, and Hulk (even though he was shipped off to a different planet he is constantly talked about/feared and that could lead into world war hulk/planet hulk).[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]It can be done.[/color]

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[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]will it be? no. just something i'd like to see because i know Marvel could pull it off nicely. [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]On a realistic side, I'd reallllly like to see someone tackle the Animation of this sometime soon.[/color]

 

[shaft]

Originally Posted by rck2sactown

^there were none homie


Ya know, Marvel hasn't exactly been following comic book storylines to a T....... I'm sure they could make a Civil War movie with just using the theme of it.

Kind of disappointing.  So all of those lead to THE AVENGERS as the definitive end result.   Hope with IM3, CAP2 and THOR2 they set up AVENGERS2.

 

[solarius49]

As far as Marvel animation....usually it is TERRIBLE. I cant think of why anybody would want to watch it smh. The Avengers cartoon was terrible. I can barely watch the "Hulk Vs" anymore. They would have to go in a completely different direction if they want a good Civil War cartoon

 

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by im that one

Originally Posted by rck2sactown

^there were none homie


Ya know, Marvel hasn't exactly been following comic book storylines to a T....... I'm sure they could make a Civil War movie with just using the theme of it.

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Was coming in just to say this...[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Does Thor HAVE to be a clone? no. not with the current story line.[/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Does spider man HAVE to be there... as i recall he flip flopped all over the place and made no Deep contribution any way. so again, No.[/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Same goes for FF and Xmen, they were just kinda there doing their own story lines through out the civil war.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Main Players... Avengers (all of them), specifically Iron Man, Shield, Cap, Clone Thor, and Hulk (even though he was shipped off to a different planet he is constantly talked about/feared and that could lead into world war hulk/planet hulk).[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]It can be done.[/color]

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[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]will it be? no. just something i'd like to see because i know Marvel could pull it off nicely. [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]On a realistic side, I'd reallllly like to see someone tackle the Animation of this sometime soon.[/color]

No it cannot be done. SpiderMan is the most famous hero to reveal himself. Who else are you going to have them reveal themselves? IronMan and Cap are already well known. Thor is a god so it doesn't matter. Black Widow or Hawkeye? These guys are spies, the general public doesn't know they exist and they don't even have powers. I mean seriously, SpiderMan revealing himself was one of the biggest events of the arc. Without him, you just have IronMan and Cap arguing. 
Also, you'd take Hulk out of the entire Avengers film? You know the outrage and backfire that would get?

Then there's the addition of other heroes that would join each side. You can't just have a IronMan and Capt. America going at each other. You need Mr. Fantastic (built the Project 42 prison), Pym , Luke Cage, Falcon, Punisher, etc... These are key pieces in that story arc. I mean seriously, what would be the point of a Superhuman Registration Act if Cap and IronMan are the only heroes with superpower?

 

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by solarius49

As far as Marvel animation....usually it is TERRIBLE. I cant think of why anybody would want to watch it smh. The Avengers cartoon was terrible. I can barely watch the "Hulk Vs" anymore. They would have to go in a completely different direction if they want a good Civil War cartoon

Disagree, Ultimate Avengers is pretty good, iirc it was a page for page adaptation of the comic book too. Ultimate Avengers 2 was decent. Invincible IronMan was good too. Planet Hulk and Tales of Asgard are pretty good too. Doc Strange was kind of boring but isn't bad, same with Hulk VS. I also like the animation styles of UA1 & 2, IronMan and Doc Strange, they aren't cartoon looking, they look more detailed and in-tuned with the comics.
DC stomps on them in animated films but their animation style is still too kid-#!$ at times, it has that WB/Animaniacs style to how it's drawn (although it has gotten a lot better in the latest films). 

 

[Deleted member 37754]

Originally Posted by RFX45

Originally Posted by im that one

Originally Posted by rck2sactown

^there were none homie


Ya know, Marvel hasn't exactly been following comic book storylines to a T....... I'm sure they could make a Civil War movie with just using the theme of it.

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Was coming in just to say this...[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Does Thor HAVE to be a clone? no. not with the current story line.[/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Does spider man HAVE to be there... as i recall he flip flopped all over the place and made no Deep contribution any way. so again, No.[/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Same goes for FF and Xmen, they were just kinda there doing their own story lines through out the civil war.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Main Players... Avengers (all of them), specifically Iron Man, Shield, Cap, Clone Thor, and Hulk (even though he was shipped off to a different planet he is constantly talked about/feared and that could lead into world war hulk/planet hulk).[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]It can be done.[/color]

Spoiler

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[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]will it be? no. just something i'd like to see because i know Marvel could pull it off nicely. [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]On a realistic side, I'd reallllly like to see someone tackle the Animation of this sometime soon.[/color]

No it cannot be done. SpiderMan is the most famous hero to reveal himself. Who else are you going to have them reveal themselves? IronMan and Cap are already well known. Thor is a god so it doesn't matter. Black Widow or Hawkeye? These guys are spies, the general public doesn't know they exist and they don't even have powers. I mean seriously, SpiderMan revealing himself was one of the biggest events of the arc. Without him, you just have IronMan and Cap arguing. 
Also, you'd take Hulk out of the entire Avengers film? You know the outrage and backfire that would get?

Then there's the addition of other heroes that would join each side. You can't just have a IronMan and Capt. America going at each other. You need Mr. Fantastic (built the Project 42 prison), Pym , Luke Cage, Falcon, Punisher, etc... These are key pieces in that story arc. I mean seriously, what would be the point of a Superhuman Registration Act if Cap and IronMan are the only heroes with superpower?

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I haven't read it since it came out... didn't remember this part. You're right.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]With Hulk you'd see the meeting and them getting rid of Hulk in the beginning. [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And with the inclusion of characters you would bring them along through Shield. They are already established with having Hawkeye and Black Widow. (all movie seen). So you could easily explain to the audience that there are a lot of Heroes that just aren't on the level of Iron Man, Cap, and others. And before the split they make the choice of Cap or Iron Man. The Villains would be explained similar way, through shield you have a data base of where most villains are etc.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]side note, i'll dust um off and read um again. [/color]

 

[CosmicGhostRider]

Planet Hulk was crazy! Pretty dope it was like Spartacus with Hulk as the main dude.

 

[solarius49]

Plus Spider-man revealing himself lead to the death of Aunt May. Honestly, if Marvel could acquire the rights to all the characters again they should do Civil War sooner rather than later. Alot of great, GREAT story arcs came out of Civil War, including "One More Day" for Spider-man.

In One More Day, Mephisto offers to bring Aunt May back to life, but only if Peter Parker and Mary Jane sacrifice their love. Peter agrees, and wakes up the next day with no recollection of ever knowing Mary Jane, and falls in love with Gwen Stacy, who was subsequently brought back to life. Now that I think about it, with the fact that they are using Gwen Stacy in the movie, this wouldnt even work....damb

 

[solarius49]

Originally Posted by jQQQQQ

Planet Hulk was crazy! Pretty dope it was like Spartacus with Hulk as the main dude.

not a Hulk fan really, but I loved the World War Hulk books personally

 

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by im that one

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]With Hulk you'd see the meeting and them getting rid of Hulk in the beginning. [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And with the inclusion of characters you would bring them along through Shield. They are already established with having Hawkeye and Black Widow. (all movie seen). So you could easily explain to the audience that there are a lot of Heroes that just aren't on the level of Iron Man, Cap, and others. And before the split they make the choice of Cap or Iron Man. The Villains would be explained similar way, through shield you have a data base of where most villains are etc.[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]side note, i'll dust um off and read um again. [/color]


Hulk only having a nominal role just isn't going to happen. People will be pissed of that, trust me. 
All these other heroes and villains, just introducing them out of nowhere will result in major failure, see XMen 3. Avengers worked so well because they were smart enough to make an origin film for every core member, at least the most important ones. Honestly, IronMan, Thor and Capt. America are big character in the comic book world, but the general public only knows of them but has no idea who they are. Now these characters are mainstream just like Superman, Batman, SpiderMan and the Hulk. The films developed the characters and gained a giant fanbase for each and that is why Avengers was such a hit. The audience felt like they knew these characters well from the start and want to see the continuation of their story, putting them all in the same film just made it even more epic. 

Throwing new heroes and villains no one knows is just not going to turn out well, it'll be a convoluted disaster. 

 

[Deleted member 37754]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]i FULLY agree with what you said...[/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And in my spoiler i said it would never happen...[/color]



[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Does not mean i don't wanna see it!!! [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And with Hulk casting him off and coming back for a World War Hulk and Hulk Planet wouldn't be worth the sacrifice of getting rid of the Hulk?! People would be in an uproar... and then they would be bowing to the greatness or said story lines.[/color]

 

[solarius49]

Originally Posted by im that one

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]i FULLY agree with what you said...[/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And in my spoiler i said it would never happen...[/color]



[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Does not mean i don't wanna see it!!! [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And with Hulk casting him off and coming back for a World War Hulk and Hulk Planet wouldn't be worth the sacrifice of getting rid of the Hulk?! People would be in an uproar... and then they would be bowing to the greatness or said story lines.[/color]

I think Planet Hulk would fail, because it would literally be an entirely CGI movie.  There would be no Mark Ruffalo, or Bruce Banner, it would just be the CGI Hulk for 2+ hours...it would basically be an action packed Pixar movie

 

[KingParappa]

Planet Hulk is what John Carter should have been...smh

 

[Deleted member 37754]

Originally Posted by solarius49

Originally Posted by im that one

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]i FULLY agree with what you said...[/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And in my spoiler i said it would never happen...[/color]



[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Does not mean i don't wanna see it!!! [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And with Hulk casting him off and coming back for a World War Hulk and Hulk Planet wouldn't be worth the sacrifice of getting rid of the Hulk?! People would be in an uproar... and then they would be bowing to the greatness or said story lines.[/color]

I think Planet Hulk would fail, because it would literally be an entirely CGI movie.  There would be no Mark Ruffalo, or Bruce Banner, it would just be the CGI Hulk for 2+ hours...it would basically be an action packed Pixar movie

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I don't believe it would HAVE to be an entire CGI film. there have been plenty of "Space" type films without the use or a ton of use of CGI. [/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]No need for Ruffalo... I'm all for a full on Hulk Movie. Because it would be an Action packed Hulk movie, just twisting up your words a bit.



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[quktic]

I have a quick question: Why hasn't Tony made a suit out of Vibranium?~

 

[mister916]

I imagine vibranium is quite rare.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

 

[quktic]

Well, he does know Black Panther. So, he can ask for a hook up

.~

 

[Gill Baka Esq. LLC.]

All these side storylines like WW hulk and Civil war is something marvel should not even touch.

I'm getting kind of scared with the extremis talk for the next iron man movie but their including the mandarin. Still sounds like a disaster to me. IMHO the next iron man is make or break for the avengers in terms of coming close to reaching/shattering the record they just set. It all started with him, sorta if you look past all the hulks we've dealt with.

I'm in total favor for having extremis somehow tie into an Ultron appearance...I think he could be pulled off very well...especially if you look at these giant mech movies like transformers, battleship...etc. If ultron could be introduced instead of extremis and still include Mandarin it would be solid...because if Marvel is going to try and introduce more characters for the next avengers film you could possibly sneak in a giant man/yellowjacket/antman cameo in dealing with ultron. Don't mention if they wanted to include ultimo.

Marvel did something exceptionally well...the no need for a significant back story for black widow or hawk eye and still hold cohesion to the avengers...same could be done with some of the other characters they want to introduce for the next movie.

Take for example Iron Man 2...Whiplash should not have been the villain for that movie...the best part was his backstory in their fathers working together...but they executed the vision of whiplash poorly. Iron Man should fight Iron Men like crimson dynamo or titanium man or one of those fools or a group of them. Marvel needs to correct this by bringing out not such obscure characters but semi-obscure to where the general population doesn't know them but their compelling enough characters to make people go "ooooooooo".

That being said...Avengers needs to fight Thanos the next movie. If not then it has to have some part alluding to Thanos getting the gems.

For next movies:
Iron Man should fight ultron/mandarin
Thor should fight enchantress/wrecking crew
Cap should fight baron zemo/taskmaster

come at me.

And if they wanted to revive ghost rider he needs to fight mephisto, who was thanos' lackey in the infinity war.

 

[mronegative]

Originally Posted by RFX45

Originally Posted by MrONegative

Originally Posted by RFX45


Marvel doesn't have the rights to one of the key characters though, SpiderMan.

What would it take for them to get that?

A bankruptcy to Sony Studios but even then, SpiderMan is such a cash cow that it'll be very hard to give it back. Sony's movie division is actually doing really bad, so bad that they had to sell Amazing Spider-Mans merchandising rights to Disney (who owns Marvel). But chances are good that this new SM movie will give a good amount of profit back to Sony Studios so really, Marvel isn't getting SM anytime soon.

Damn.

Sony's just the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[solarius49]

Originally Posted by GrimlocK

All these side storylines like WW hulk and Civil war is something marvel should not even touch.

I'm getting kind of scared with the extremis talk for the next iron man movie but their including the mandarin. Still sounds like a disaster to me. IMHO the next iron man is make or break for the avengers in terms of coming close to reaching/shattering the record they just set. It all started with him, sorta if you look past all the hulks we've dealt with.

I'm in total favor for having extremis somehow tie into an Ultron appearance...I think he could be pulled off very well...especially if you look at these giant mech movies like transformers, battleship...etc. If ultron could be introduced instead of extremis and still include Mandarin it would be solid...because if Marvel is going to try and introduce more characters for the next avengers film you could possibly sneak in a giant man/yellowjacket/antman cameo in dealing with ultron. Don't mention if they wanted to include ultimo.

Marvel did something exceptionally well...the no need for a significant back story for black widow or hawk eye and still hold cohesion to the avengers...same could be done with some of the other characters they want to introduce for the next movie.

Take for example Iron Man 2...Whiplash should not have been the villain for that movie...the best part was his backstory in their fathers working together...but they executed the vision of whiplash poorly. Iron Man should fight Iron Men like crimson dynamo or titanium man or one of those fools or a group of them. Marvel needs to correct this by bringing out not such obscure characters but semi-obscure to where the general population doesn't know them but their compelling enough characters to make people go "ooooooooo".

That being said...Avengers needs to fight Thanos the next movie. If not then it has to have some part alluding to Thanos getting the gems.

For next movies:
Iron Man should fight ultron/mandarin
Thor should fight enchantress/wrecking crew
Cap should fight baron zemo/taskmaster

come at me.

And if they wanted to revive ghost rider he needs to fight mephisto, who was thanos' lackey in the infinity war.

I KNEW this was going to come up, KNEW IT.  The Wrecking Crew would be HORRIBLE on the big screen.  Can you imagine Thor fighting a crew of super powered construction workers?  And I always thought Mephisto was manipulating Thanos, but I could be wrong.  And im pretty sure Ghost Rider is owned by Sony smh.  But I think you hit the nail on the head with Ultron and Mandrin, I would love to see them in a movie.  I expected to see Mandarin in the 1st IM movie

 

[mints912]

Man I got tricked by the hype of this movie smh...I really thought it was going to blow me away that's probably why It fell short everyone kept telling me to go see it that it was this Godly movie but it was just okay..If I had to do it all over knowing what I know now I would have watched it for free at a friends house once he got it on Blu-ray not the worse 10 bucks I ever spent but definitely no where near the best lol gone

 

[|A-Man|]

Originally Posted by omgitswes

It can not be that hard to do an animated Civil War film though.

This is true but Marvel's animation divison sucks. They should have DC animation team do it

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

And for the record, Edward Norton's portrayal of Bruce Banner/Hulk hast to be the most overblown things I've heard about in recent memory. There was nothing noteworthy about it and the general consensus is that Avengers features the best portrayal of both Bruce Banner and Hulk seen on film to date. Ed can sit his %!$ on the sidelines with Terrence Howard. 

Ignoring that Hulk isn't the main character so his role and the portrayal in the film is limited and completely different when ppl say this what are they liking more about the Hulk in the Avengers than in The Incredible Hulk? That he didn't have that one kinda emotional side that he usually has with Betty in his own movie? That he isn't fighting the army again? Tat in this movie he got to fight a possible match in strength and hero in Thor? That most of the film isn't dealing strictly with the Hulk? I mean to me the Avengers Hulk barely talked, screamed a lot and did his usual smashing. When it comes to the Hulk all the casual fans want is the action and for him not to look ridiculous with the cgi so I'm not seeing what's separating what the Hulk did in Avengers from what the Hulk did in TIH. The way I see it the Hulk choking the life out of Abomination with a chain is just as cool as it is funny when he beats Loki around like a rag doll (and Hulk fighting Blonsky and the army was better than him fighting Thor). The whole focus on the Hulk portrayal being the best is what's completely overblown. It's not hard at all for the special effects guys to get the Hulk right, and if anything what the Hulk does should only get better with w/e the writers write up and the sfx guys do well every appearance so saying what he did in this movie was better than the last aint saying much.

Originally Posted by RFX45

I just think that the movie was real good but also real simple so there isn't much to say about it.
Negatives are limited to just nit-picking on the little holes the film has.

 Even most of the conversation here are speculations of what the next films will be.
 I mean people could only post  

 so many times. 

Basically this.

There wasn't some intricate plot and as good as Loki was his main goal as the supervillain was the usual world domination. It's basically the assembling of the Avengers facing a foe with a whole of power and an invading alien force behind him.

Originally Posted by k00laid

i think the 2014 is the runaways

In October 2010, the brakes were put on production, due to Marvel focusing on The Avengers. With production of The Avengers well underway, The Runaways project is just waiting for the Green Light. The film could be scheduled for release sometime in 2014.

This would be cool. It'd shine more light on a "team" that doesn't get much attention as it use to with the rise of Young Avengers, Young Masters, etc.

Originally Posted by solarius49

Originally Posted by omgitswes

Originally Posted by solarius49

Not to mention Thor is dead in Civil War, and Captain America dies at the end

Thor was dead? I know there was a clone and all, but I didn't know he was dead.
After Civil War he comes back and murks Iron Man for creating the clone.

Im pretty sure he was dead, he may have been in Asgard dealing with Ragnarock.  I know that soon after Civil War, all of Asgard was dead, and Thor was trying to recreate it on Earth.  But either way, Civil War isnt really an option for the Avengers...but an animated movie would be ok.....i guess

Yeah he was dead after dealing with the final ragnarock and revealing some Norse space gods that were feeding off of the cycle of their death and rebirth, that's when he had another version of the Rune/ w/e power his mother Gaea gave him.

 

[dipsetgeneral]

I loved the film and would recommend this film to anyone new, or loyal to the Marvel world. A+ for me.
Thanos is gonna be unbeatable!

The 2nd easter egg was stupid. They shoulda jus' saved that for the Blu-Ray.