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I'm defensive or I just proved you wrong and misinformed?

Rim protection > wing defense and he's one of the best in the league.

There's not a way you can say they're superior when Cousins had better numbers than Marc Gasol defensively.

Based on the numbers you provided, so did Al Jefferson:
Offensively, the Sacramento Kings’ DeMarcus Cousins has found his stride. Last season, the 6-foot-11 center averaged a career-high 22.7 points per game — good for ninth best in the NBA — to go along with 11.7 rebounds and 2.9 assists. His Player Efficiency Rating of 26.18 ranked him fifth in the league, behind only LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, and Kevin Love. And with that, he became the first player in NBA history to post that high of a PER and not make an All-Star team.

Defensively, though, Cousins is still finding his feet. He has improved, sure, but the biggest knock on his game over the years has been how much energy he exerts on that end of the court. In short: he’s lackadaisical and foul prone when he loses focus, resulting in him falling back on bad habits. Since 2010, Cousins has led the league in fouls per game in all but one season, and the pre-draft concerns of him lacking focus and not being quick enough laterally have proven to be his downfall.

But in 2013-2014, Cousins appeared to have broken through his shell in that regard. His 1.5 steals and 1.3 blocks per game were both career-highs, as was his defensive rating of 101, which just happened to rank him 17th in the league. Cousins also led the NBA in charges drawn, per Hoops Manifesto — essentially, a hustle stat that indicates he has a good read of plays and is willing to put his body on the line.

What it all really boils down to, though, is this:

Cousin has indeed improved defensively. It’s a fresh of breath air for the Kings, because they desperately need their franchise player to compete on both ends of the court. Cousins is getting there. The eye test proves it, as do the stats.
Cousins didn’t improve as much as we may think. When compared to other bigs, most of Cousins’ stats last season make him look like one of the better defensive centers in the league, which is simply not the case.
With that in mind, let’s take a look at what went on.

Numerical Breakdown
Cousins’ Synergy numbers on the defensive end mirrored those of some of the best bigs in the NBA in 2013-2014. As you’ll see in the chart below, which displays how many points per possession 12 centers gave up based on five categories, he went head-to-head with a number of players, many of whom were in contention to win Defensive Player of the Year, like Marc Gasol, Tim Duncan, and Roy Hibbert.



That alone makes Cousins look like a damn good defender. If you flip through the different sections, you’ll see that he rubbed shoulders with Tim Duncan and Marc Gasol in defending post-ups, he contested spot-ups more efficiently than all but four centers, and he was way ahead of everyone in clamping down on isolations.

The only category he was worse than everyone else in a big way was defending the roll man in pick-and-rolls. But seeing as that made up only 18.5 percent of his total defensive possessions — works out roughly to be once per game — it’s not the end of the world that he still struggles in that category, especially if he’s fantastic in all the others.

Moving to the more basic stats, little changes. Opponents shot 51.1 percent at the rim with Cousins guarding them, and while that placed him eighth highest amongst the group, he gave up only 7.5 attempts per game, much lower than the majority of other bigs. He didn’t block as many shots on a game-to-game basis, either, but his 1.5 steals per game were far better than any other center. (There were only 18 players who averaged more steals per game than Cousins last season. That’s it. 18. For a 6-foot-11 center, that’s impressive.)

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Graph: Rim Protection | NBA.com

However, it’s here where the praise — at least for the most part — comes to an end. As is the case with Synergy, the numbers can be skewed because a player who may or may not have been at fault in the play gets assigned the blame. So, although Cousins’ numbers are up their with the best rim protecting bigs in the NBA, his case is further proof that defensive stats fail to paint a realistic picture of a player’s ability to stop offensive players.

Note: The fact that Al Jefferson looks like a lockdown defender and Marc Gasol looks like a sieve based on all those stats should tell you everything you need to know. Despite being a much better defender last season, Jefferson was the product of a sound system and is still by no means a premier defender. Gasol, on the other hand, is one of the better defensive bigs in the NBA. He did, after all, win Defensive Player of the Year for the 2012-2013 season.

The Nitty Gritty
Cousins was, according to ESPN’s Real Plus-Minus, a plus-defender in 2013-2014 (+1.86). That number, though, ranked him 28th amongst centers, trailing the likes of Marcin Gortat, Ian Mahinmi, Kendrick Perkins, Ronny Turiaf, Chris Kaman and Nikola Pekovic. And unlike the point guard position, which only had 20 plus-defenders last season, 54 centers were a “plus” on that end of the court.

In more straight forward terms: Real Plus-Minus favors bigs.

Cousins’ biggest detriment is still his focus. He has the tools to be a good defender, but not closing out on shooters properly, failing to get into a defensive stance on a routine basis, lazily reaching in to try and poke the ball away, and allowing his opponent to get deep low post position on him is what’s holding him back from taking the next step forward. And because he isn’t a great shot blocker — 40 players averaged more blocks per-48 minutes than Cousins — once he got beat, an easy look was likely to ensue.

Cousins also gives players far too much space to get a shot off when they are out of the paint. Part of that may be by design. Because he isn’t particularly quick laterally, he’s better off giving his player a step so he can recover if they take him off the dribble. There aren’t that many centers who can stretch the floor at an alarming rate, so it often pays off for him — a possible reason why Cousins was so good statistically in defending isolations.
 
Dude was playing 4000 minutes a year including playoffs.

His feet hurt though.... :rollin
 
Overall
Advanced offensive stats has their flaws, but for the most part they paint a vivid picture of whatever they are trying to prove. Defensive stats, though, aren’t quite yet up to par, and Cousins is a good example of that.

It’s not that Cousins is an awful defender anymore. There was a stark difference last season and the hope/expectation is that the best is yet to come. Not only that, the issues Cousins has shown on the defensive end over the years are, to a large degree, correctable — a lot of it still comes down to focus and effort. In spurts he’s shown that he can put all the pieces of the puzzle together, and when he does do, nobody can complain about the results.

In saying that, any rumblings of Cousins being an elite defender at this stage of his career are jumping the gun. He still has a long way to go, even if the advanced stats don’t make it seem as though that’s the case. A large part of it has to do with the system that surrounds him, though. In the case of Al Jefferson, the Charlotte Bobcats had the defensive talent to play to his strengths (length and strength) and cover up his weaknesses (lateral quickness and rim protection) by dropping him on pick-and-rolls and clamping down the paint as a team once someone put the ball on the floor.

As of now, the Kings don’t have the tools to mask Cousins’ shortcomings. But if that happens to change in the coming seasons, alongside Cousins’ focus and dedication to that end of the court, there’s no reason why he cant continue to make strides and develop into a plus-defender.


(This is all quoted obviously)
 
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BTW you're acting ultra defensive like I'm attacking your boy Cousins. I think Cousins is great and I consider taking him #1 overall if I'm the right team. I just think the majority of NBA GMs go with the safer picks in Wall and George even if the talent peak is lower.
 
Overall
Advanced offensive stats has their flaws, but for the most part they paint a vivid picture of whatever they are trying to prove. Defensive stats, though, aren’t quite yet up to par, and Cousins is a good example of that.

It’s not that Cousins is an awful defender anymore. There was a stark difference last season and the hope/expectation is that the best is yet to come. Not only that, the issues Cousins has shown on the defensive end over the years are, to a large degree, correctable — a lot of it still comes down to focus and effort. In spurts he’s shown that he can put all the pieces of the puzzle together, and when he does do, nobody can complain about the results.

In saying that, any rumblings of Cousins being an elite defender at this stage of his career are jumping the gun. He still has a long way to go, even if the advanced stats don’t make it seem as though that’s the case. A large part of it has to do with the system that surrounds him, though. In the case of Al Jefferson, the Charlotte Bobcats had the defensive talent to play to his strengths (length and strength) and cover up his weaknesses (lateral quickness and rim protection) by dropping him on pick-and-rolls and clamping down the paint as a team once someone put the ball on the floor.

As of now, the Kings don’t have the tools to mask Cousins’ shortcomings. But if that happens to change in the coming seasons, alongside Cousins’ focus and dedication to that end of the court, there’s no reason why he cant continue to make strides and develop into a plus-defender.


(This is all quoted obviously)

That was well said. DMC went from a horrible defender to an above average one.....he's definitely improved on that end.

But the notion that he's an Elite defender and a two-way force is premature.
 
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You're quoting stats from 2 years ago, I'm talking now.

Funny you bring up defense RPM, because he was 2nd among Centers last year behind Andrew Bogut and 4th overall behind Draymond/Bogut/Tony Allen.

Like I said, you were misinformed, he's a great defender.
 
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Yeah, I don't know why an article from '13-'14 was posted when he wasn't nearly as good then.
 
Congrats Dez! You are now making the same as Khris Middleton and Brandon Knight.
 

I actual think these are pretty decent :smokin like he's going to casual route and will rock the signature on court.


That Karl and Boogie Vine is soooooooooo cringe worthy.
 
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Randy Foye (Den), Trevor Booker (Utah) and Beno Udrih's (Mem) contracts are all fully guaranteed for the coming season

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Bjelica happy to finally join the Timberwolves

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By Kent Youngblood JULY 15, 2015 — 1:23PM

It was five years ago that Nemanja Bjelica, just drafted by the Timberwolves, came to Minneapolis to have his picture taken with the rest of the team’s draftees.

Five years. Seems a lot longer than that, at least to Bjelica.

“That five years was like 100 years for me,” he said Wednesday, back in Minneapolis, getting his picture taken. This time though, it’s different. When Bjelica was first drafted the Wolves viewed him as a part of their future. Five years later, he’s a part of the team.

Recently-signed by president of basketball operations – and coach – Flip Saunders, Bjelica is coming to Minnesota ready to be a regular part of Saunders’ rotation. This is something that, frankly, he felt he was ready for in 2010. At least now the Wolves completely agree.

“To his credit, with what he’s been able to do these last five years in developing his game, he’s put himself in a situation to not only come to the NBA, but have a huge impact within the NBA and within our organization,’’ Saunders said.

To Saunders, Bjelica has been ready to come over for a couple years. But it was important, he felt, that Bjelica needed to come to Minnesota and get right on the court. Two years ago the Wolves were a different team, more veteran, and playing time would have been hard to come by. Now he is joining a team filled with youth. Bjelica brings years of professional experience.

And if it meant paying dues in Europe? OK.

“I’m very excited to be here, finally,’’ he said. “I was drafted five years ago, finally I’m here. I’m very happy and honored to be here, be a part of the Minnesota Timberwolves. … My dream finally came true, and I will become an NBA player.’’

But don’t pigeonhole him. Saunders went out of his way not to label the 6-10 Bjelica as either a small forward or power forward. Saunders is trying to build a team with players with position flexibility, and Bjelica is a prime example.

“The big thing is he’s different than our players,” Saunders said. “He can handle the basketball, he can shoot the three. He can move around the floor, run pick and rolls. We don’t have anyone with his size who can do that.’’

That said, there will be a learning curve. Bjelica will have to learn to defend at the NBA level. He will likely have to put more muscle on his frame. But he come to Minnesota having played in big games in Europe and for the Serbian national team -- a team he will play for this summer. He knows how to move the ball, create flow.

“What I like about Nemanja is that he knows how to make other people better,’’ Saunders said. “He can really pass the basketball. ‘’

And Bjelica? He’s just happy to finally be here. A kid who grew up with Allen Iverson as his idol is now thrilled to be Kevin Garnett’s teammate. Actually he’s just happy to finally be in the NBA.

“I’m very happy to come to the NBA this way, because I know it was very tough and difficult,’’ he said about the dues he paid in Europe waiting to get to the NBA. “I wanted to show everybody I deserved to be here. This is a great opportunity for me.’’
 
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That was well said. DMC went from a horrible defender to an above average one.....he's definitely improved on that end.

But the notion that he's an Elite defender and a two-way force is premature.

So would you consider Bogut/Draymond/Tony Allen elite defenders? Because that's his company now.

How about Tim Duncan/Gasol/Kawhi/AD/Ibaka/Dwight?

Because he was better than all of them.
 
c'mon fam, how are you going to disrespect Kawhi like that? he hasn't done anything to any one lol.

IMO he's gotta be at least in the top 10 for most unlikely players to hate on

dude has dusty braids, a sub par offensive game and hasn't played more than 66 games in a season yet is being talked about as a future "superstar" all the while with breathtaking career averages of 12pts and 6 boards

dude is a better james posey
 
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c'mon fam, how are you going to disrespect Kawhi like that? he hasn't done anything to any one lol.

IMO he's gotta be at least in the top 10 for most unlikely players to hate on

dude has dusty braids, a sub par offensive game and hasn't played more than 66 games in a season yet is being talked about as a future "superstar" all the while with breathtaking career averages of 12pts and 6 boards

dude is a better james posey

i feel you on those points but i don't agree with hating on someone for things other people say about them.

and during the lock out year, he played 58 games out of 66 so it's not as bad as it appears lol
 
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