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[lamekilla]

Meh, DKR was a mess

Huge mess

 

[everysingletime]

Woah now.... Batman begins > raises

Lol, I'll cosign

 

[beh235]

 

Green Goblin was better than Doc Ock though. Sandman was probably the worst superhero villian of all time I have no idea how anyone in their right mind can feel that he was anything above absolutely mediocre.

I don't think GG was bad but just not better than what we got with Doc Ock. SM1 seemed pretty simple with the GG as villain, especially that last fight.

Both Spider-Man versions make the mistake of killing Norman Osborn way too early. I still haven't seen him done justice in a movie.

I agree. The whole GG and Hobgoblin story got glossed over in AS2

 

[Master Zik]

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why is Doc Ock in SM2 so coveted?

Why?

You don't get it. You've proven that with your posts. Why should anybody waste their time. You were waiting for ppl to explain to you why SM2 is so good and when multiple ppl did you still ignored it and then come back now with some bull **** about SM3 being better than it.

Woah now.... Batman begins > raises

Lol, I'll cosign

It was though I didn't even bother to address that cuz I don't care that much. Nolan dropped the ball with TDKR.

My criticism for Begins was just at the time given pp.'s reactions. It was nothing to rave about like this was something brand new never done with a Batman movie. Comparing it to what came after though it's in the middle with TDKR at the bottom.

 

[bayyrd]

I have that Alicia Keys song stuck in my head...so catchy

 

[lamekilla]

Why?

You don't get it. You've proven that with your posts. Why should anybody waste their time. You were waiting for ppl to explain to you why SM2 is so good and when multiple did you still ignored it and then come back now with some bull **** about SM3 being better than it.

I listen to and respect all opinions but will call out any sheep-ish mentality. People act like SM2 is a flawless movie but it isn't. I just want people's opinions as to why they themselves think so highly of Spiderman 2. It's a good film and was a GREAT film in 2004 trust me I was obsessed with it but there isn't anything in that movie TO ME that warrants it as the best Spiderman film today when we have 3 spiderman films that released since then that are better IMO. No one has told me their opinion as to why spiderman 2 is so great besides "the train scene" my rebuttal was that Harry and Peter's midair fight scene in SM3 is better. If people would stop judging things purely off of nostalgia then it wouldn't seem like I'm speaking blasphemous. If someone says "I like spiderman 2 because it showed the heart of Peter Parker juggling 2 jobs trying to make ends meat just to sustain in a crappy apartment all while trying to be a super hero and maintain some type of social life" then I can understand exactly where you're coming from but eh

 

[lamekilla]

I have that Alicia Keys song stuck in my head...so catchy

It's on again! Woah woah woah!

 

[big j 33]

I don't want to sound dismissive, but if you think Spiderman 3 is better than Spiderman 2, then it's not even worth it.

Because you're CLEARLY looking just to argue against Spiderman 2 in that case. SM3 was just awful.. it's basically a fact at this point

People can give you their reasons, but you "won't understand them" and that's that.

 

[rafeaks]

I don't want to sound dismissive, but if you think Spiderman 3 is better than Spiderman 2, then it's not even worth it.

Because you're CLEARLY looking just to argue against Spiderman 2 in that case. SM3 was just awful.. it's basically a fact at this point

People can give you their reasons, but you "won't understand them" and that's that.

for real man. I mean, I'm all for opinions but Spider-Man 3!? There has to be a limit. The action scenes were great though.

 

[lamekilla]

I don't want to sound dismissive, but if you think Spiderman 3 is better than Spiderman 2, then it's not even worth it.

Because you're CLEARLY looking just to argue against Spiderman 2 in that case. SM3 was just awful.. it's basically a fact at this point

People can give you their reasons, but you "won't understand them" and that's that.

From a plot perspective Spiderman 3 is awful. No one can lie that it's plot is the worst in the Raimi trilogy

But from everything else like action and CGI spiderman 3 > Spiderman 2

Let me put this in layman's term for some

2007 cgi > 2004 cgi

Some of you guys like to follow the crowd but eh

 

[tay1]

Wow this dude said SM3 was the overall better film than SM2.

Son said Sandman was better than Doc Ock. Said Green Goblin was a better villain than Doc Ock and act like it's the truth and he's the only one unafraid to admit it :x

I can no longer take anything lamekilla says about movies seriously from here on out. I'm just gonna tune out when I see you post wild **** like that. Horrible taste.
I'm getting a Batman Begins feel off this ASM hype. ASM1 was nothing to be hype about similar to Begins. Now the dudes that love ASM2 are trying to act like it's the best superhero flick out and it aint even the best one this year.

Can't wait til dudes try to start ******** on Ledger's Joker.

Don't know what you talking bout. People loved Begins. To many, it's their favorite out of the trilogy.

 

[Master Zik]

Why?

You don't get it. You've proven that with your posts. Why should anybody waste their time. You were waiting for ppl to explain to you why SM2 is so good and when multiple did you still ignored it and then come back now with some bull **** about SM3 being better than it.

I listen to and respect all opinions but will call out any sheep-ish mentality.

Just because you think it's sheepish doesn't mean it is sheepish mentality. When SM2 came out ppl praised it as a great superhero movie. It kept that level of praise after SM3 and even other superhero movies came out. If you disagreed that's your opinion and your problem. Just cuz a lot of ppl agree it don't mean it's sheepish mentality. People like what they like.

Same way there's a group of ppl that didn't like TDKR, ASM2, SM3, MOS, F4, DD, Ghost Rider, etc.

People act like SM2 is a flawless movie but it isn't.

Nobody acts like this. You're just mad because you don't like it as much as the ppl who do and when you think another movie is better and not as many ppl agree you create these hyperbolic lies in your head to justify that ppl are overrating the movie. Nobody acts or has said SM2 is flawless.

I just want people's opinions as to why they themselves think so highly of Spiderman 2.

Read the thread then. Plenty in here. Read the movie/tv thread, plenty in there too. Read the other cbm/supernatural film thread, plenty int here.

I'll make it even easier for you:
http://niketalk.com/t/73376/did-spiderman-3-ruin-the-spiderman-franchise/0_20

Wish the SM2 thread was still in the archives.

It's a good film and was a GREAT film in 2004 trust me I was obsessed with it but there isn't anything in that movie TO ME that warrants it as the best Spiderman film today when we have 3 spiderman films that released since then that are better IMO.

So that's fine. You think subpar flicks were better than SM2 and you also think SM2 was only good for 2004.

No one has told me their opinion as to why spiderman 2 is so great besides "the train scene"

This is another lie. They have said so you either ignored it or have poor memory or are lying.

If people would stop judging things purely off of nostalgia then it wouldn't seem like I'm speaking blasphemous.

**** don't got nothing to do with nostalgia. We can still see these movies today. You think SM3 was better than SM2. I can guarantee you that's a rare opinion. Probably only you and iYen have said so.

If someone says "I like spiderman 2 because it showed the heart of Peter Parker juggling 2 jobs trying to make ends meat just to sustain in a crappy apartment all while trying to be a super hero and maintain some type of social life" then I can understand exactly where you're coming from but eh

You must not be reading attentively.

I've seen posts trying to break down both sequels in this very thread.

Wow this dude said SM3 was the overall better film than SM2.

Son said Sandman was better than Doc Ock. Said Green Goblin was a better villain than Doc Ock and act like it's the truth and he's the only one unafraid to admit it :x

I can no longer take anything lamekilla says about movies seriously from here on out. I'm just gonna tune out when I see you post wild **** like that. Horrible taste.
I'm getting a Batman Begins feel off this ASM hype. ASM1 was nothing to be hype about similar to Begins. Now the dudes that love ASM2 are trying to act like it's the best superhero flick out and it aint even the best one this year.

Can't wait til dudes try to start ******** on Ledger's Joker.

Don't know what you talking bout. People loved Begins. To many, it's their favorite out of the trilogy.

I know. I'm saying I'm beginning to see ppl hype up these ASM movies the way they did Begins. I didn't love Begins didn't seem that better than past Bat flicks. I felt it was overhyped. I'm saying give it a few years and ppl will be acting like ASM was great and everyone loved it and try to place ASM2 on a TDK level.

I don't want to sound dismissive, but if you think Spiderman 3 is better than Spiderman 2, then it's not even worth it.

Because you're CLEARLY looking just to argue against Spiderman 2 in that case. SM3 was just awful.. it's basically a fact at this point

People can give you their reasons, but you "won't understand them" and that's that.

From a plot perspective Spiderman 3 is awful. No one can lie that it's plot is the worst in the Raimi trilogy

But from everything else like action and CGI spiderman 3 > Spiderman 2

Let me put this in layman's term for some

2007 cgi > 2004 cgi

Some of you guys like to follow the crowd but eh

You're talking about cgi but everybody else is following the crowd.

This is what I thought. If all you care about is cgi and visuals well then we know where you stand on how you judge how good a movie is.

Seems you got it pretty wrong on what makes a good superhero flick.

 

[lamekilla]

^^ we can argue in circles all day but I see the trend on NT. Nothing gets appreciated til it's about 10 years old. Unless it has Heath Ledger or Ryan Gossling in it.

Lol at putting Ghost Rider and FF and DD in the same category as MOS, TDKR and ASM2.

 

[MarvelSux]

Begins >

no bias

 

[tay1]

I know. I'm saying I'm beginning to see ppl hype up these ASM movies the way they did Begins. I didn't love Begins didn't seem that better than past Bat flicks. I felt it was overhyped. I'm saying give it a few years and ppl will be acting like ASM was great and everyone loved it and try to place ASM2 on a TDK level.

Never had a change of heart about something? You making it seem like these films are universally panned like GL or something. It's not. I know it may be hard to believe breh, but people do like these films.

 

[rfx45]

^^ we can argue in circles all day but I see the trend on NT. Nothing gets appreciated til it's about 10 years old. Unless it has Heath Ledger or Ryan Gossling in it.
.

What?

Cap 2 was great right from the get go, you can see it in the thread that is still active right now. Avengers, IM1, TDK, etc... none of those took 10 year to get appreciated including SM2.

I have no idea where you are getting this none sense from?

 

[lamekilla]

What?

Cap 2 was great right from the get go, you can see it in the thread that is still active right now. Avengers, IM1, TDK, etc... none of those took 10 year to get appreciated including SM2.

I have no idea where you are getting this none sense from?

If a film has mixed reviews, people will automatically say it sucks. A film has to be praised by casual audiences to be good when all the casual audience wants is explosions and action.

I'm turning into a bitter comic book fan

...but you should somewhat understand where I'm coming from Mr. Man of Steel. Watched that movie a couple days back and besides the ending I didn't understand the complaints, some of which I was egging on myself

 

[rfx45]

If a film has mixed reviews, people will automatically say it sucks.

This is not true at all and I've explained this so many times but you choose to ignore and forget it over and over again. Chances are you'll forget this right away too but I'll try anyways.

IM3 got overall good reviews but it is hated here on NT including comic book fans alike. So what's the review/critics influence on that?

TDKR is rated pretty highly by most reviewers but it's been dissected and destroyed here and any other forums on why the film sucks. So where's the critics influence on that specifically here on NT since you say it's a trend occurring in here?


Just because people doesn't love ASM2 as much as you doesn't mean people are influenced by those reviews so they thought it was bad. That is what you need to understand.

Stop looking for all the excuses in the world on why people doesn't like ASM2 and just accept that you love it but others don't. It's really as simple as that.

 

[Master Zik]

^^ we can argue in circles all day but I see the trend on NT. Nothing gets appreciated til it's about 10 years old. Unless it has Heath Ledger or Ryan Gossling in it.

Man that just sounds like you being mad so you're gonna place everybody disagreeing with you in the ungrateful unappreciative category when the truth you can't accept that you might be wrong. It's not really arguing in circles either you just seem incapable to accept that everybody doesn't agree with you. You want it to all be one way but it isn't.

Plus you're ignoring a whole bunch of movies ppl loved out the gate; SM2 for one, IM1, Avengers, Cap2, etc.

Lol at putting Ghost Rider and FF and DD in the same category as MOS, TDKR and ASM2.

It's the category of groups of ppl not liking the movie. The size of each group varies and that's the thing too. There's ppl who actually really liked DD that'd argue with you the same way you're arguing now about ASM2 being a masterpiece and SM2 not being that good. Thing is though they didn't come through with nonsense like SM3 being better. You just sound salty doing that.

 

[CP1708]

ASM2
SM2
SM1
ASM1





SM3


I view it this way. If someone switched SM2 and ASM2, I wouldn't agree, but I can handle their view.


If they try to spin me SM2, SM1, ASM1, ASM2, I'd block them like Mutumbo.

 

[tay1]

ASM2
SM2
SM1
ASM1





SM3


I view it this way. If someone switched SM2 and ASM2, I wouldn't agree, but I can handle their view.


If they try to spin me SM2, SM1, ASM1, ASM2, I'd block them like Mutumbo.

Switch SM1 and ASM1 and we have the same list guy

 

[lamekilla]

This is not true at all and I've explained this so many times but you choose to ignore and forget it over and over again. Chances are you'll forget this right away too but I'll try anyways.

IM3 got overall good reviews but it is hated here on NT including comic book fans alike. So what's the review/critics influence on that?

TDKR is rated pretty highly by most reviewers but it's been dissected and destroyed here and any other forums on why the film sucks. So where's the critics influence on that specifically here on NT since you say it's a trend occurring in here?


Just because people doesn't love ASM2 as much as you doesn't mean people are influenced by those reviews so they thought it was bad. That is what you need to understand.

Stop looking for all the excuses in the world on why people doesn't like ASM2 and just accept that you love it but others don't. It's really as simple as that.

Man that just sounds like you being mad so you're gonna place everybody disagreeing with you in the ungrateful unappreciative category when the truth you can't accept that you might be wrong. It's not really arguing in circles either you just seem incapable to accept that everybody doesn't agree with you. You want it to all be one way but it isn't.

Plus you're ignoring a whole bunch of movies ppl loved out the gate; SM2 for one, IM1, Avengers, Cap2, etc.
It's the category of groups of ppl not liking the movie. The size of each group varies and that's the thing too. There's ppl who actually really liked DD that'd argue with you the same way you're arguing now about ASM2 being a masterpiece and SM2 not being that good. Thing is though they didn't come through with nonsense like SM3 being better. You just sound salty doing that.

I can respect these statements. 60% of me is trying to rustle jimmies in here but at the same time I haven't been able to grasp the concept of why ASM2 wasn't MORE widely approved. Regardless I understand that not everyone has good taste

....I'm kidding I'm kidding. We can agree to disagree. At the end of the day I'm glad a lot of these films have the massive budgets to bring these characters to life. My opinions still stand though; Amazing Spiderman 2 from a comic book film standpoint is a Masterpiece and Spiderman 2 is grossly overrated. I respect all of you guys' opinions. Thank you for being the outlet for my ridiculous tirades about make believe characters. NT

 

[tay1]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/...mma-Stone-are-in-a-spin-over-new-LA-love-nest

Andrew contracted for films in 2015 & 2016

Trying to lock him up for four more films

He gets a piece of the box office

Lock him up Sony

 

[Master Zik]

I didn't know Garfield was born here and had dual citizenship.

I guess cool for him if he signs up for another 6 years and gets more money with that new deal. Right now I'm not even thinking about their being a different Spidey, I just want better movies.

 

[robinvandamn]

funny how hard this board was hating DoFP and how the general buzz across the Internet was negative but right now it's still sitting at 92% RT and is expected to do crazy numbers this weekend..

It's weird how these summer films work.. it was basically the exact opposite with TASM2