SO... Is Sebastian Telfair Goin to go down...

[downtown43]

a bust? heck no. he wasn't even a top 10 pick. if at least 10 teams didn't buy into your hype, you never really had legit hype to begin with.

the guys considered busts were all at least top 3 picks, like Kwame, Olowokandi, Sam Bowie, Darko, etc

 

[rhymefest]

In a way I don't agree with people saying, "Give him time, he's only 22". He's been in the league 4 years and he should be improvingevery season despite his age.

 

[shuges]

Evidence 'A' for Stern wanting the age requirement upped to 20 years old.

Far from a bust though.

Woulda probably murked in college.

 

[703 hwy]

Blah blah blah he's only 15 get off his back he has plenty of time left. DUDE IS A BUST FACE IT PEOPLE!! HOW MANY CHANCES ARE YOU SUPPOSE TO GET?

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by Rhymefest

In a way I don't agree with people saying, "Give him time, he's only 22". He's been in the league 4 years and he should be improving every season despite his age.

Go look at Steve Nash's first 4 years in the league....I am not at all implying that Telfair is the second coming of Nash, but you just never know whena player is going to turn that corner. Steve Nash was about 26-27 when he figured out how to effectively run the point. So again....give him time, he'sonly 22.

I think you all are strictly implying that Telfair is a bust due to the hype surrounding him coming out of HS. Well, he was the #13 pick in the draft, and hewas obviously not a top 5 pick. IMO, any pick past #10 is a complete crapshoot....you don't know what the hell you are getting....What about the JaredJeffries of the world? He was selected #11 and was Mr. Basketball in the state of Indiana....shouldn't he be a top 5 bust of all time? Hmmmm....somehowplayers like him escape this argument.....the hate for the kid fuels a lot of these discussions.

 

[kiddin like jason]

What a terrible question.

Sure, he hasn't lived up to the buzz he had coming out of high school, but as stated, he's still very young and is quietly having a solid season rightnow.

 

[jsindaa]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by Rhymefest

In a way I don't agree with people saying, "Give him time, he's only 22". He's been in the league 4 years and he should be improving every season despite his age.

Go look at Steve Nash's first 4 years in the league....I am not at all implying that Telfair is the second coming of Nash, but you just never know when a player is going to turn that corner. Steve Nash was about 26-27 when he figured out how to effectively run the point. So again....give him time, he's only 22.

I think you all are strictly implying that Telfair is a bust due to the hype surrounding him coming out of HS. Well, he was the #13 pick in the draft, and he was obviously not a top 5 pick. IMO, any pick past #10 is a complete crapshoot....you don't know what the hell you are getting....What about the Jared Jeffries of the world? He was selected #11 and was Mr. Basketball in the state of Indiana....shouldn't he be a top 5 bust of all time? Hmmmm....somehow players like him escape this argument.....the hate for the kid fuels a lot of these discussions.

Bingo. We are talking about a 22 year old point guard who hasn't been in a favorable position yet in his career. Never...he's been on nothing butbum squads. Can't expect to see a lot of improvement from a kid around a bunch of bum veterans.Ridiculous. He's in a perfect situation out in Minny, hehas teammates his age to develop with....trust they could be a force 3-4 years from now. See Portland and Seattle in about 2-3 years. Last time I checked hewas having a pretty good year out there...so where does all this bust talk come from? I could see if he came out of college and in 4 years hadn'tdeveloped. But out of high school? Time is of essence.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by HarlemToTheBronx

Shoulda went to Louisville.

@ Him trynna sice it by calling it a show.

 

[srvballer]

Don't think he'll ever live up to the "hype" that was around him but I really think that he'll be a real good PG in this league one day.

If he ever gets a consistent jumper and gets put in the right situation he could become a star. And remember he is STILL very young.

 

[thehealthinspector]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by Rhymefest

In a way I don't agree with people saying, "Give him time, he's only 22". He's been in the league 4 years and he should be improving every season despite his age.

Go look at Steve Nash's first 4 years in the league....I am not at all implying that Telfair is the second coming of Nash, but you just never know when a player is going to turn that corner. Steve Nash was about 26-27 when he figured out how to effectively run the point. So again....give him time, he's only 22.

I think you all are strictly implying that Telfair is a bust due to the hype surrounding him coming out of HS. Well, he was the #13 pick in the draft, and he was obviously not a top 5 pick. IMO, any pick past #10 is a complete crapshoot....you don't know what the hell you are getting....What about the Jared Jeffries of the world? He was selected #11 and was Mr. Basketball in the state of Indiana....shouldn't he be a top 5 bust of all time? Hmmmm....somehow players like him escape this argument.....the hate for the kid fuels a lot of these discussions.

i get what double J is saying and i agree a little bit but the fact that steve nash was 26-27 is somewhat arbitrary due to the fact that he came out ofcollege after his senior year, by your way when he was 26-27 he was already in his 2nd or 3rd year in the league, sebastian's in his 4th year, we could getinto this whole argument about how it took 8+ years (26-27) after steve nash got out of high school to really become a star but the problem is how much timeare WE going to give sebastian and more importantly how much time are teams in the nba going to give him with all these new point guards being brought up - tosay that we cant really judge sebastian until his 8th year in the league is really baffling to me

 

[theone2401]

Is he a bust? not yet no. PG is a hard position to transition between the NCAA and the NBA let alone HS to the NBA. There are numerious cases of PG'swho didnt become good until they were season vets and it is no coincidence that this is the case.

He wasnt even a top ten pick for crying out loud.

Did he live up to the hype? No not even close. Their are plenty of explanations why some are his own fault and some arent who knows? its most likely acombination of them all.

My personal feelings on him? He will not make a splash ever. Not until he learns to shoot and I just dont know if he ever will just my opinion.

He is in the best situation he has been in his whole career right now though. If it doesnt start to happen now chances are it wont.

 

[nycknicks105]

he isn't a bust, because he is still very young, and develop his game. He is somewhat of a disappointment though. I think him going to Louisville for evena year would've helped him out. But he made the decision and looked out for his family.

He is injured right now, and it will be awhile before he comes back. i think he needs to go to another system, because him playing in the same team as RandyFoye won't help him.

 

[mustbetheshoe58]

bassy >> kwame brown and his existence

true story

 

[nek32]

Should he have went to college? Yes. But should you write him off? No. This would be his senior year of college. He's still got a few more years before youcan write him off. When he's 26 or 27 I'm sure he'll be a much better player. If not by 26 or 27, you can start calling him a bust. But likesomeone mentioned earlier in the post, if he plays a few more years and gets his money right for the rest of his life and doesn't make bad choices with it,then he ain't no bust. Can't call someone who's set for life under the age of 25 a bust in my book.

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by Rhymefest

In a way I don't agree with people saying, "Give him time, he's only 22". He's been in the league 4 years and he should be improving every season despite his age.

Go look at Steve Nash's first 4 years in the league....I am not at all implying that Telfair is the second coming of Nash, but you just never know when a player is going to turn that corner. Steve Nash was about 26-27 when he figured out how to effectively run the point. So again....give him time, he's only 22.

I think you all are strictly implying that Telfair is a bust due to the hype surrounding him coming out of HS. Well, he was the #13 pick in the draft, and he was obviously not a top 5 pick. IMO, any pick past #10 is a complete crapshoot....you don't know what the hell you are getting....What about the Jared Jeffries of the world? He was selected #11 and was Mr. Basketball in the state of Indiana....shouldn't he be a top 5 bust of all time? Hmmmm....somehow players like him escape this argument.....the hate for the kid fuels a lot of these discussions.

i get what double J is saying and i agree a little bit but the fact that steve nash was 26-27 is somewhat arbitrary due to the fact that he came out of college after his senior year, by your way when he was 26-27 he was already in his 2nd or 3rd year in the league, sebastian's in his 4th year, we could get into this whole argument about how it took 8+ years (26-27) after steve nash got out of high school to really become a star but the problem is how much time are WE going to give sebastian and more importantly how much time are teams in the nba going to give him with all these new point guards being brought up - to say that we cant really judge sebastian until his 8th year in the league is really baffling to me

I think you're missing the point...I am in no way saying that we need to wait 8 years for Telfair to develop, because that's entirely too long andridiculous. The point with Nash is that it took him until his 5th NBA season to figure out how to be a good PG. Players develop differently in the NBA. People a quick to call Telfair a bust for whatever reason when there are guys like Nash who took just as long or longer to find their game. By his 8th year inthe league, we will most likely see a guy in Telfair who will be putting up close to a double-double per night. Telfair has age on his side, and at 22 hasplenty of good basketball left in him. He's a consistent jumper away from taking his game to the next level. As I mentioned before, he's in a GREATsituation in Minnesota where he is allowed to make mistakes. He will grow along with Jefferson to hopefully be the cornerstones of this franchise and helpthem get back to respectability. I'm not saying he'll be a star, but he will become a SOLID PG before it's all said and done. He was in toughsituations in both Portland and Boston, and now he is able to grow along with a young team.

 

[grittyman20]

As far as "the hype" around Telfair.....I can't remember anyone saying that dude was actually going to be a star

 

[CP1708]

Double J's I hear what you are saying, but I still hear a ton of people waiting for Darius Miles to show up, and that ain't workin out so good. He maybe 22, but he hasn't shown any improvement or desire to improve along the lines of what guys need to frow in this game. JO was/is a perfect example of ateam giving up and the kid actually working his butt off to improve and become a legit player. How many years do we have to sit around and wait beforeit's ok to give up? Like I said, people on this very board STILL think Miles is coming. I mean, sheesh, come on.

 

[downtown43]

He may be 22, but he hasn't shown any improvement or desire to improve along the lines of what guys need to frow in this game.

how do you know that? how are you so sure he hasn't shown desire to improve?

or is that just an assumption you made out of dislike? because that statement has no logical basis on anything we've seen of him

and comparing Telfair to Darius Miles is ridiculous. when Sebastian Telfair entered the league, Miles was already a 5-year vet. that's like me comparingLebron to Kevin Durant.

Miles has been in the league twice as long as Telfair. how about giving Telfair some time before you compare their careers?

 

[kash55]

What? No, he was a 13th pick.

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Double J's I hear what you are saying, but I still hear a ton of people waiting for Darius Miles to show up, and that ain't workin out so good. He may be 22, but he hasn't shown any improvement or desire to improve along the lines of what guys need to frow in this game. JO was/is a perfect example of a team giving up and the kid actually working his butt off to improve and become a legit player. How many years do we have to sit around and wait before it's ok to give up? Like I said, people on this very board STILL think Miles is coming. I mean, sheesh, come on.

I would disagree....this year has been his finest as a pro....he put up some good numbers as a starter...overall he was averaging 9/2/6 on the season. Heactually has a good work-ethic. His desire to get better is what separates him from a guy like Darius Miles. Miles is turning 27, and never got over thathump whether it was by his own laziness or injuries. He's a head-case with no desire to make himself a better player. He's content collecting thosepaychecks, making it rain, and taking up roster space....and that is about all he's good for.

It will be interesting to see if Minnesota will re-up Telfair. I believe that Gomes is up for a new deal, so who knows what they are going to do. If they letTelfair go, I wouldn't have any doubt that they would go after a guy like Derrick Rose. However, I think the team has more pressing needs in that theyneed to get some more help for Al Jefferson down in the post on both the offensive and defensive end.


Going back to Telfair, he had his best season as a pro in Minnesota. It would be great to see them retain Telfair and help build that cohesion between he, andJefferson. That could be a potent duo for years to come. If they do this, maybe they target a guy like Brook Lopez to help fill the void in the middle. Mygut feeling is that Telfair will be re-signed....he does have an upside, and if he can build off of what he was doing this season, then it's a win-win forboth sides in the long run.

 

[rudygay22uconn]

Originally Posted by lnMyMind

Sebastian doesn't suck...and is far froma top 5 bust. He didn't have a show...he had a documentary. Not a big deal...

exactly he is not even 25 yet chillax...and give him some time before u start throwin the "b" word around...for some point guards it takes awhile, word to chaucey billups.

 

[rudygay22uconn]

Originally Posted by 703 Hwy

Blah blah blah he's only 15 get off his back he has plenty of time left. DUDE IS A BUST FACE IT PEOPLE!! HOW MANY CHANCES ARE YOU SUPPOSE TO GET?

steve nash, chaucey billups, monta ellis?????????????????????????????????

 

[MVP]

Please, as long as Kwame "Bum-Butterfingers" Brown is around he can be no higher than 6:

1. Kwame
2. Bum
3. Butterfingers
4. (what MJ called him in Washington)
5. Brown

 

[darthska]

I love when people defend examples like this by saying 'He has a long way to go; fall back', like dude is going to have a Maravich-type career fromhere on out... or for even one season.

And I'm not a fan or a supporter; I'm indifferent, as neutral as I can be. I wouldn't call him a bust; I wouldn't call him a star.

He's an NBA player.

But responses like 'Whoa, we never know what could happen. He's only twentysomething' always crack me up.

It's like people are seriouslythinking, 'Weeellll, I don't want to call him a bust just yet, because he might average 83 points per game next season, and then I'll feel stupid.So I'll hold off, and everyone else should, too.'

There's a reason he's been bounced around already. It's because he's not that great. That's not saying he sucks; he's still in the NBA.But... he's not that great, and even though I won't call him a bust, I'll say this: I doubt he'll ever be great.

 

[651akathepaul]

There's a reason he's been bounced around already. It's because he's not that great.
Actually, I'm willing to say that isn't entirely true. The Trailblazers were already in a lot of turmoil when Telfair arrived, andI'm sure that isn't exactly the ideal situation for an 18/19 year old PG, who is the leader on the court. It would've been hard for a PG straightout of college to do much in that situation. And as far as Boston, I still wouldn't say it was because he wasn't. They just didn't want to waitfor him to develop so they shipped him in that deal for KG because with Garnett you're getting instant success. Now, if he is given the chance, withsecurity knowing he'll be in Minny for awhile, he can mature and get completely comfortable with guys in his situaion, who are trying to rebuild theTwolves.