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Stop it because if it was hot, and I really and truly mean if it was hot, NO ONE would care.Originally Posted by illphillip
Originally Posted by BLADE BR0WN
Originally Posted by Deuce King
This was answered in the post right before yours, you must have missed it. Not to worry though champ, I'll repost it for you in bold..................
I can see how people have an issue with Ross. It's one thing to take poetic license in your records. It's another to have someone show you picture, ask "is this you", and you straight up lie in an attempt to protect the "street credibility" that you all claim doesn't exist with any rapper to begin with.
We know he lied on camera in person as William Roberts, so that's all we need to know about him and his past..................and his character as well. If you lie you cheat, and if you cheat you steal, and nobody likes a thief.
Ok, I see.
This is all about discrediting his music because of a lie he told... Regardless of what he really did in the past, or who or what he couldve been protecting... and regardless of the fact that his music is superior to Jeezy's...
And then you end the post with a quote from a f**kin Sunday school teacher...
To stay on topic... it would be foolish to use the reasoning you've brought forth and besmirch a N's music because of a lie he told... Someone none of us know personally...
But if you fall under the same umbrella of that which you largely bolded in the previous quote, I'm not sure of what else to say... other than that reasoning is terrible.
You're missing the point. You're clearly a Ross FAN, so you have your view. Open your mind enough to realize others have their view as well. As you get older, you realize, there are 2 sides to every story. The truth is usually in the middle.
No one is discrediting his music. At least I'm not. That doesn't mean we believe it is THAT great either. That is an OPINION.
We are discrediting the person. Is the music NOT an extension of the person somewhat? Why do I need to know him personally when he's been caught in a lie publicly?
If Stephen Tyler or George Michael made the illest Rap record sonically, talking about moving weight, would you accept it? No. Why? Because you would think it lacks a certain integrity? Even though you don't know their struggle and don't KNOW if it's true or not.
A large percentage of you would likely discredit a gay rapper no matter how good his/her music may or may not be. Be *%#*%%* real with yourselves. And that would have little to nothing to do with the MUSIC. Chris Brown is a woman beater. There are people who will not $*$* with him because of this. No matter how good his music is.
It's cool if you want to ignore the lie. I'm not looking to recruit people into hating Ross when I like some of his music.
But we clearly ain't built the same. And likely came up in different times. Understand that some dudes will have a problem with him lying. If you don't stand for something, things that are important to YOU, you'll fall for anything.
Thats cool...but those same dudes don't equally weigh the standard of lying and to me thats really inconsistent.
Like don't tell me Pac was the hardest dude out...when he went to acting school.
Don't tell me Dr Dre is an OG...in ballet class.
You know what I'm saying here?
There are plenty of other artists whose music I can appreciate and who I can also respect around that from what I know of them. Sadly, we live in an era where we know TOO much about these guys outside of music. And that can effect how you view them and even make it somewhat difficult to enjoy their music.
Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?
Its the price some of these artists pay by letting us into their lives and I agree...it is sometimes a curse over a gift
but I think it speaks to the immaturity of rap fans to think that these dudes are REALLY living the life they wrap about.
Do you think Eminem would REALLY chop his exwife up and stash her in a trash can?
I mean if credibility is THAT big of a deal to you all, you all NEED better role models. Seriously.
Oh ok...so you enjoy music about a life YOU dont live...I don't care how personally successful you are...you aint out there murking and robbing so why do you enjoy it?Originally Posted by OneTrust
Originally Posted by illphillip
Originally Posted by debs 168
he's no different than any other rapper out there. styles didn't beat a %!*%@ over the head with a brick til it broke
I'm going to just fly off on a quick tangent here. Because the topic itself is idiotic. No one replaced anyone when both guys are co existing in the same field AND doing well for themselves.
This whole "it's just entertainment" thing. It's pretty sad to me because that's not at all how Rap music began. And I know things change over time. But has it changed for the better?
And when you say "it's just entertainment", well I think that's what's become the problem with Rap.
You guys are looking at 2 different things and treating them the same. Obviously rappers, and musicians in general, use poetic license. Not everything they say is 100% TRUTH as it applies to THEIR life.
So no, Styles didn't beat anyone over the head with a brick until it broke. But he did go to jail for stabbing someone. Beans don't put in work? Don't live it like he talk it?
TI? 50? Gucci? I'm not saying it's a good thing since cats can't stay out of jail. But these dudes are clearly not "CB4". And even the guys who don't talk tough, like Drake or Mos Def or Kweli, sometimes speak from a reality that isn't always meant to "entertain".
I remember arguing in another thread, about Ross of course, and another cat made a good point. There are generational differences when it comes to music.
Years ago, I used to BLAST Mobb Deep on here. All these cats talked about how REAL they were. And if you knew their history, you knew that was nonsense. And in my day, you didn't get a pass for that.
A lot of you grew up in a time where the entertainment replaced the integrity of the music. It had already gone mainstream. Like, before pro wrestling became fake, pro wrestling matches were REAL fights (and we had boxing of course). But the WWF killed all that. It's bizarre that people prefer the fantasy to reality. But I guess that's what you need if you don't like your reality.
But that doesn't mean it's ALL entertainment. Because that's not what it was. It is the polar opposite of how Rap music began and what it was supposed to be.
In 1988, Chuck D said "Rap is CNN for Black People". It actually helped EMPOWER Black people. Now you want to say it's "all entertainment"? Well how did it become that way? I'm sure the guys who like to "question" so much can come up with a theory or 2.
I can see how people have an issue with Ross. It's one thing to take poetic license in your records. It's another to have someone show you picture, ask "is this you", and you straight up lie in an attempt to protect the "street credibility" that you all claim doesn't exist with any rapper to begin with.
Ross knew how important that credibility was. That's why he lied. It was important to him to maintain that. I guess he thought he'd lose his fan base if people knew the truth (which by the way was no secret to anyone who knows people in Miami).
Because Ross is from an era where people cared about that +@!!. Now, no one does. The integrity BEEN gone. But don't expect everyone to be cool with that.
End old man rant.
"EVERYDAY a star is boorn...clap for him, clap for him, clap for him...hey!"
He just KILLED this thread and if you little Rick Ross fans STILL don't get it, I guess you never will.
Oh yeah...cause its ENTERTAINMENT.
Real thugs DONT rap. They're too busy...i don't know...THUGGING?!
I don't see dudes out here saying Pacino was a fake and he shouldn't be respected for PORTRAYING Tony Montana.
Rap fans are starting to act like mental midgets when they can't separate the real from the fake. Thats what happens when you don't have REAL role models to tell you the difference.
Originally Posted by VA757VA
Lol..i can.tell u ain't from the hood putty...every dope boy I know raps..always buying studio time...always tryna open for people or rock local clubs...im not a street dude but I stayed out the bricks my whole life....nd all these dudes I know that stopped going to school in 9th grade to trap, they all find time to drop local mixtapes inbetween all their
Gay rappers? We've already had them...and some of them are already popular, in their own circles.Originally Posted by sillyputty
Stop it because if it was hot, and I really and truly mean if it was hot, NO ONE would care.Originally Posted by illphillip
Originally Posted by BLADE BR0WN
Ok, I see.
This is all about discrediting his music because of a lie he told... Regardless of what he really did in the past, or who or what he couldve been protecting... and regardless of the fact that his music is superior to Jeezy's...
And then you end the post with a quote from a f**kin Sunday school teacher...
To stay on topic... it would be foolish to use the reasoning you've brought forth and besmirch a N's music because of a lie he told... Someone none of us know personally...
But if you fall under the same umbrella of that which you largely bolded in the previous quote, I'm not sure of what else to say... other than that reasoning is terrible.
You're missing the point. You're clearly a Ross FAN, so you have your view. Open your mind enough to realize others have their view as well. As you get older, you realize, there are 2 sides to every story. The truth is usually in the middle.
No one is discrediting his music. At least I'm not. That doesn't mean we believe it is THAT great either. That is an OPINION.
We are discrediting the person. Is the music NOT an extension of the person somewhat? Why do I need to know him personally when he's been caught in a lie publicly?
If Stephen Tyler or George Michael made the illest Rap record sonically, talking about moving weight, would you accept it? No. Why? Because you would think it lacks a certain integrity? Even though you don't know their struggle and don't KNOW if it's true or not.
Ya'll acting like Susan Boyle wasn't moving units even though she looked like a goddamn ogre.
A large percentage of you would likely discredit a gay rapper no matter how good his/her music may or may not be. Be *%#*%%* real with yourselves. And that would have little to nothing to do with the MUSIC. Chris Brown is a woman beater. There are people who will not $*$* with him because of this. No matter how good his music is.
It's cool if you want to ignore the lie. I'm not looking to recruit people into hating Ross when I like some of his music.
But we clearly ain't built the same. And likely came up in different times. Understand that some dudes will have a problem with him lying. If you don't stand for something, things that are important to YOU, you'll fall for anything.
Thats cool...but those same dudes don't equally weigh the standard of lying and to me thats really inconsistent.
Like don't tell me Pac was the hardest dude out...when he went to acting school.
Don't tell me Dr Dre is an OG...in ballet class.
You know what I'm saying here?
There are plenty of other artists whose music I can appreciate and who I can also respect around that from what I know of them. Sadly, we live in an era where we know TOO much about these guys outside of music. And that can effect how you view them and even make it somewhat difficult to enjoy their music.
Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?
Its the price some of these artists pay by letting us into their lives and I agree...it is sometimes a curse over a gift
but I think it speaks to the immaturity of rap fans to think that these dudes are REALLY living the life they wrap about.
Do you think Eminem would REALLY chop his exwife up and stash her in a trash can?
I mean if credibility is THAT big of a deal to you all, you all NEED better role models. Seriously.
Oh ok...so you enjoy music about a life YOU dont live...I don't care how personally successful you are...you aint out there murking and robbing so why do you enjoy it?Originally Posted by OneTrust
Originally Posted by illphillip
I'm going to just fly off on a quick tangent here. Because the topic itself is idiotic. No one replaced anyone when both guys are co existing in the same field AND doing well for themselves.
This whole "it's just entertainment" thing. It's pretty sad to me because that's not at all how Rap music began. And I know things change over time. But has it changed for the better?
And when you say "it's just entertainment", well I think that's what's become the problem with Rap.
You guys are looking at 2 different things and treating them the same. Obviously rappers, and musicians in general, use poetic license. Not everything they say is 100% TRUTH as it applies to THEIR life.
So no, Styles didn't beat anyone over the head with a brick until it broke. But he did go to jail for stabbing someone. Beans don't put in work? Don't live it like he talk it?
TI? 50? Gucci? I'm not saying it's a good thing since cats can't stay out of jail. But these dudes are clearly not "CB4". And even the guys who don't talk tough, like Drake or Mos Def or Kweli, sometimes speak from a reality that isn't always meant to "entertain".
I remember arguing in another thread, about Ross of course, and another cat made a good point. There are generational differences when it comes to music.
Years ago, I used to BLAST Mobb Deep on here. All these cats talked about how REAL they were. And if you knew their history, you knew that was nonsense. And in my day, you didn't get a pass for that.
A lot of you grew up in a time where the entertainment replaced the integrity of the music. It had already gone mainstream. Like, before pro wrestling became fake, pro wrestling matches were REAL fights (and we had boxing of course). But the WWF killed all that. It's bizarre that people prefer the fantasy to reality. But I guess that's what you need if you don't like your reality.
But that doesn't mean it's ALL entertainment. Because that's not what it was. It is the polar opposite of how Rap music began and what it was supposed to be.
In 1988, Chuck D said "Rap is CNN for Black People". It actually helped EMPOWER Black people. Now you want to say it's "all entertainment"? Well how did it become that way? I'm sure the guys who like to "question" so much can come up with a theory or 2.
I can see how people have an issue with Ross. It's one thing to take poetic license in your records. It's another to have someone show you picture, ask "is this you", and you straight up lie in an attempt to protect the "street credibility" that you all claim doesn't exist with any rapper to begin with.
Ross knew how important that credibility was. That's why he lied. It was important to him to maintain that. I guess he thought he'd lose his fan base if people knew the truth (which by the way was no secret to anyone who knows people in Miami).
Because Ross is from an era where people cared about that +@!!. Now, no one does. The integrity BEEN gone. But don't expect everyone to be cool with that.
End old man rant.
"EVERYDAY a star is boorn...clap for him, clap for him, clap for him...hey!"
He just KILLED this thread and if you little Rick Ross fans STILL don't get it, I guess you never will.
Oh yeah...cause its ENTERTAINMENT.
Real thugs DONT rap. They're too busy...i don't know...THUGGING?!
I don't see dudes out here saying Pacino was a fake and he shouldn't be respected for PORTRAYING Tony Montana.
Rap fans are starting to act like mental midgets when they can't separate the real from the fake. Thats what happens when you don't have REAL role models to tell you the difference.
I seriously don't get what's so hard to grasp unless you were born in 2000 and HipHop really is just "entertainment" to y'all since I bet a cat like you probably doesn't even know what the 4 elements of HipHop are. You probably just like that 106 and Park crowd that think the 4 elements is some %*%@ like, "versatility, stamina, charisma, and swag."
I'm from the old school where we care about the integrity of the artist and wouldn't except no fake %*%@. Obviously, from what you write, you're from the new school where anything is acceptable now.
You talk about Pac being in acting school as if someone from acting school wouldn't $!@% you up. The difference between Pac being in acting school and Ross faking the funk is, Pac would admit it and if you tried to clown, he'd knock you the $!@% out. Your idol Ross on the other hand, thinks he's a real life drug kingpin and was ashamed of being Officer Ricky lying straight up and down. Just do yourself a favor and watch CB4 because it's pretty much a biography of the "rapper" Rick Ross' life.
By the way, the majority of your comparisons have been ******ed. Of COURSE nobody believed Eminem was chopping up his wife, etc. You know why? Maybe cause he would admit it and let us know it's JUST music!!!! Where as your boy Ross STILL swears up and down he's the new Pablo Escobar!
at your last sentence though. How ironicwhen you're talking about someone that can't separate REAL from fake when obviously you and ESPECIALLY your idol can't.
Originally Posted by illphillip
Real thugs don't rap? Stop acting like you even know real thugs to speak on it. They're "too busy thugging"? Thugging is not an occupation. How corny are you?
Real thugs absolutely DO rap. Sean Price would slap you senseless. I already listed real %#!$%%%+@!!$#. I can name more if I think about it. Tommy Hill? Steady B and Cool C? DMX? Cormega?
But you like to ignore *$*$ when I lay it out for you just to go on your little rants. Jay Z put a knife in someone like 3 albums into his career. Guess there's nothing real or thuggish about that. Guess he don't rap.
Real thugs changed the entire rap game. Real thugs, both as rappers and as "managers" ran a lot of people out of the music business and I know this for a FACT. Real thugs go from making drug money to trying to make legal money ALL THE TIME.
You out here saying cats shouldn't talk about the streets after their first album. But you're saying that to support Ross. What the @%+$ was "BMF"? I think I'm Big Meech. Larry Hoover. I'm sellin' dope, straight off the Iphone. I got that Archie Bunker. It's so white I might charge you double. That ain't street *$*$? Ross don't make street records anymore? OK.
You talk and talk sooooooo much, you completely lose sight of your points and your arguments. Get your mind right shorty.
Originally Posted by Dead Stokc
At the end of the day Fat Joe still has more street cred then both these N's.
Originally Posted by yungmatt
This thread is entertaining.
Some of you dudes clearly have never heard of "Washing Money"
Originally Posted by BradNSU
Originally Posted by illphillip
Real thugs don't rap? Stop acting like you even know real thugs to speak on it. They're "too busy thugging"? Thugging is not an occupation. How corny are you?
Real thugs absolutely DO rap. Sean Price would slap you senseless. I already listed real %#!$%%%+@!!$#. I can name more if I think about it. Tommy Hill? Steady B and Cool C? DMX? Cormega?
But you like to ignore *$*$ when I lay it out for you just to go on your little rants. Jay Z put a knife in someone like 3 albums into his career. Guess there's nothing real or thuggish about that. Guess he don't rap.
Real thugs changed the entire rap game. Real thugs, both as rappers and as "managers" ran a lot of people out of the music business and I know this for a FACT. Real thugs go from making drug money to trying to make legal money ALL THE TIME.
You out here saying cats shouldn't talk about the streets after their first album. But you're saying that to support Ross. What the @%+$ was "BMF"? I think I'm Big Meech. Larry Hoover. I'm sellin' dope, straight off the Iphone. I got that Archie Bunker. It's so white I might charge you double. That ain't street *$*$? Ross don't make street records anymore? OK.
You talk and talk sooooooo much, you completely lose sight of your points and your arguments. Get your mind right shorty.Real talk ILLPHILLIP son SILLYPUTTY real thugs don't rap?? You must have never heard of C-Murder,Soulja Slim, Trick Daddy,Big Pun was a
real goon, Wu-Tang all of them dudes had felonies, DJ Quik is a real blood... I could go on & on but too many Thugs #++$%% to name that came through rap.
I tired of hearing ya'll dudes talk like ROSS is a super lyricist ROSS maybe better than JEEZY lyrically but we all know JEEZY not a Lyricist & JEEZY know
that too. ROSS is sub-par compare to cats like Luda,Wayne,Kanye,Jay, & Nas so please stop...JEEZY is stayin true to his fans & staying in his lane while
ROSS should have stayed in his Mafioso rap lane...Just like ILLPHIL quoted from Chuck D in 88' "Rap is Black People CNN' that is true..That's what N.W.A.
was rapping bout.. they was rapping bout not what they was living but what they were seeing.. Now ROSS on the other hand take things too far he not talking
about things he seen like when he said "I know Noriega He owe me 100 favors" or "My 1st home invasion papi gave me 40 bricks" thats the problem people
have with ROSS & why people say he fake because he says so unreal issh & he starting to believe his own lies..
Stop it. You know damn well that even though they felt they didn't want to grow up that they still glorified it.Originally Posted by illphillip
Damn son.....why you hate Joe so much? HA!
I feel like I'm trolling. %$$%!*$ sick in bed after going hard for the last few days. Trying to get it right before NYE. So hopefully this will be the last of me here.
BradNSU threw down some more names and reminded me of something. Dudes out here saying "real thugs" (I actually hate using that term because it's corny to me) don't rap. Because they're "thugging".
Most of the "thugs" I've ever known have basically been drug dealers or worked for one. You're either that or a stick-up kid/thief/booster or whatever.
I never knew guys who banged just to bang. And all these guys, at heart, are still BUSINESSMEN. Some better than others.
The smart ones try to make their way to a more legitimate business. Not just to MAKE money in it. But sometimes also to CLEAN money. Get it?
That's basically what the feds accused Murder Inc. of doing for Supreme. BMF starts BMF Entertainment.
These are things a guy like sillyputty will never understand. Real recognize real. And the converse holds true as well.
Ghost was hiding his %$$%!*$ identity during the early Wu projects. Yet he was still the Executive Producer on all of them.
What kind of Executive you think he was? Not one you'd find in an office at the time.
I don't feel like I'm putting any business in the street that isn't already out there by saying what I'm saying. These are just the examples we know about.
Originally, the G's around the way laughed at rappers because rappers stole their style and their stories and were doing music but weren't making any real money.
Once Rap started making real money, both drug dealers/G's and major corporations descended upon it and now we have the mess we have now.
SNO!!!!
Originally Posted by TheSwagOfSweetJones
Man these long response are getting out of hand and off topic
You're not understanding what i'm saying...Originally Posted by illphillip
Type your little heart out shorty. Fly off on your tangents once again that have absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Music is art. Art entertains. But that doesn't make it all "entertainment". Some art hangs in museums. Some of it is in comic books. Same with movies. Not every movie is an unrealistic shoot 'em up.
Credibility means nothing to you. Doesn't surprise me. Why is it so shocking to you though that it means something to other people? Are we all supposed to think like you? I should hope not. Look at how people respond to you.
See, I don't care more about other people being real than I do about being real myself. I'm very comfortable with myself. If I'm a man of honor and integrity, why wouldn't I expect the same from others?
Again, clearly not something you are at all familiar with. Because what's "portrayed" and how "images are made" matter most to you. Do you hear yourself? You can have your fantasy land. I would imagine that's why you spend so much time on here. Escaping reality.
But you say we're the ones who enjoy "acting" and "feeling like" we'd +++! somebody up. When it's you being transported to a magical place by music.
You say you could care less if Jay ever held a gun. But he did! That doesn't make those images more compelling? Knowing that there is a reality behind them?
If not, then even a square like you could pick up a mic and start rapping about coke and guns and it's acceptable as long as you portray it well? OK.
Maino is not real.
Capone is not real.
Noreaga is not real.
Yayo is not real.
These dudes were in JAIL before they even started rapping. But they not real.
Now, I don't really care for any of their music. But again, there are artists whose music I enjoy and who I can also respect from what I know of them (Jay, Tip, Beasties, all my favorite classic MC's. Kane, KRS, Rakim, Chuck D, Tribe, DeLa etc.). And I'm good with that. And they are not all "gangsters". But there is at least an honesty in their music that I can appreciate.
If all these dudes are CB4, and we can't tell you otherwise, then you are clearly incapable of intelligent discussion on the matter. Because you are so close minded. Yet you fancy yourself to be SUCH a profound thinker.
We gave you a laundry list of real dudes who do real things. You point out the labels and managers and ignore the list of actual RAPPERS we just served you on a silver platter.
And do you know for a FACT that no one is laundering money in Pop Dance music? Of course you don't. You love to speak on so many things you know little about. And once again I can tell you that it does happen.
Cats CLEARLY refute everything you have to say. And you are still in denial.
THAT is the !++!$+% DEFINITION of delusional.
I wish you well with that.