Since Jeremy Lin is doing so well, situational racism is OK.

[scientific method]

Thats why they are showing the games in Chinatown now, in actual China, and Lin is suddenly the top online jersey seller this week, not to mention the great plurality of Asians at games now who werent 2 weeks ago. I can post the exact #s when I get to a computer

 

[ksteezy]

Obviously his community is gonna show support man

And there is a huge Asian community in NY..

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by ksteezy

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by ksteezy



You can't be serious man...lol Is not because he's Asian, is because of the way he turned the team around, period!...at a time when both of the Knicks Major players were out and also because is NEW YORK!...a bigger market, with more publicity....if Lin was doing this in say Portland or Toronto, he wouldn't have a fraction of the media coverage he's getting wether hes Asian or a God damn middle earth troll...in the same toll, some nobody black athlete comes out of left field and picks up the NY Knicks from the floor he would be getting just as much attention!...ya need to get over these racial barriers...as a Latino I'm stereotyped daily, I'm not bothered by it and I will say this and I don't give a damn who gets offended, black people are the most publically stereotypical individuals even to their own race....

You're kidding yourself if you don't think that his race isn't playing a major role in the publicity that he's getting.  
  

It is, that's not to say a black, Latino or white athlete wOuldnt get the same publicity in such a huge market like NY....and that's where you are all wrong, this story is this big because it's NEW YORK.

You said a black athlete with a similar path who happened to end up in NY would have the same type of hype (in comparison to Lin).  You're 1000% wrong and off-base with that.  
  

 

[kilojules64]

Originally Posted by ThunderChunk69

Originally Posted by tim teufel

How would black people feel if they took a head shot of Chris Paul and put a watermelon and chicken next to his face

black people didn't create watermelons and then sell them at their restaurants. 

Black people created fried chicken though so that would be okay, as long as the watermelon is excluded?
I personally think neither are worth getting upset about, but your logic is bizarre

 

[ksteezy]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by ksteezy

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

You're kidding yourself if you don't think that his race isn't playing a major role in the publicity that he's getting.  
  

It is, that's not to say a black, Latino or white athlete wOuldnt get the same publicity in such a huge market like NY....and that's where you are all wrong, this story is this big because it's NEW YORK.

You said a black athlete with a similar path who happened to end up in NY would have the same type of hype (in comparison to Lin).  You're 1000% wrong and off-base with that.  
  

EVERY black athlete that has been brought to the Knicks with hopes of lifting the team off the ground has gotten equal if not more publicity and that's before they even deliver!!!!! IE Melo, Stat, Nate!!!!!.....son there was a billboard the size of my building in times square welcoming Nate!...Nate Robinson!!!YOU SIR ARE A CLOSET RACIST.

 

[an dee 51o]

Why do people keep talking about "Asian culture?" There is no "Asian culture." Asia is a continent, bros.

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by ksteezy

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by ksteezy



It is, that's not to say a black, Latino or white athlete wOuldnt get the same publicity in such a huge market like NY....and that's where you are all wrong, this story is this big because it's NEW YORK.

You said a black athlete with a similar path who happened to end up in NY would have the same type of hype (in comparison to Lin).  You're 1000% wrong and off-base with that.  
  

EVERY black athlete that has been brought to the Knicks with hopes of lifting the team off the ground has gotten equal if not more publicity and that's before they even deliver!!!!! IE Melo, Stat, Nate!!!!!.....son there was a billboard the size of my building in times square welcoming Nate!...Nate Robinson!!! YOU SIR ARE A CLOSET RACIST.

Son, stop.  So the fact that the NATIONAL media has repeatedly said the garden has been more electric with Lin on the team than it has in the past 20 years is purely coincidental, right?  Where Lin plays DOES help.  No one is denying this.  There is the NYC "factor."  However, don't be foolish to think that his race isn't playing a huge part in his popularity.  He's put up great numbers and deserves to start until he shows otherwise...but, you can't tell me that an Asian man doing so well in a predominantly Black league isn't any different than if a black man did the same thing. 

This is akin to the NHL having a huge african-american fanbase and a black athlete, who comes out of nowhere, having a meteoric rise in one of the original 6 cities. 

  

 

[ksteezy]

I only see race being a factor, within his own Asian community....the fact that he's Asian has brought more attention to the sport from his own community....what race wouldn't be proud of one of their own dominating a sport where they are a minority??...werd to my man Victor Cruz...other than that?...nope.

 

[big j 33]

So now ksteezy is an expert on the Knicks?

Melo and Stat got attention because they're big names/superstars. When Amare was stringing together great games last season, the team was getting a lot of national attention.. but NOTHING like this.

The attention for Lin and the Knicks isn't just one thing, it's a combination of him being a surprise undrafted player from Harvard, his personal story of being cut, sleeping on a couch, then almost being cut again and finally leading the Knicks with unexpected performances, AND because he's an Asian-American. In a league where Asian-Americans or Asians are virtually non-existent, that adds another element to the story and news coverage. You can't separate it out of the story, he's brought in a fanbase that wouldn't be there unless he was Asian-American.

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by ksteezy

I only see race being a factor, within his own Asian community....the fact that he's Asian has brought more attention to the sport from his own community....what race wouldn't be proud of one of their own dominating a sport where they are a minority??...werd to my man Victor Cruz...other than that?...nope.

Read.

Asians are not a community. They are highly divided for the most part. I know just as many Asians crapping on Lin as celebrating him. And I am part of one Asian community and know mostly other Asians.

 

[rawex5]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

So now ksteezy is an expert on the Knicks?

Melo and Stat got attention because they're big names/superstars. When Amare was stringing together great games last season, the team was getting a lot of national attention.. but NOTHING like this.

The attention for Lin and the Knicks isn't just one thing, it's a combination of him being a surprise undrafted player from Harvard, his personal story of being cut, sleeping on a couch, then almost being cut again and finally leading the Knicks with unexpected performances, AND because he's an Asian-American. In a league where Asian-Americans or Asians are virtually non-existent, that adds another element to the story and news coverage. You can't separate it out of the story, he's brought in a fanbase that wouldn't be there unless he was Asian-American.

Basically.

 

[ksteezy]

When did I say I was an expert?...you don't need to be an expert to see the effect certain players have had in ANY sport in THIS city, living here.

Hell are you talking about there is no Adian community? ...in that case there is no such thing as a Latino community then....

 

[cap1229]

No Asian community? Wow

 

[ksteezy]

And yes, Lin's national attention is in fact a combination of things, but I think the fact that he went under the radar is what captivated the media more than the fact that he's Asian, that's what I'm sayin.

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by ksteezy

When did I say I was an expert?...you don't need to be an expert to see the effect certain players have had in ANY sport in THIS city, living here.

Hell are you talking about there is no Adian community? ...in that case there is no such thing as a Latino community then....

You're not Asian.

Originally Posted by cap1229

No Asian community? Wow

Neither are you.

I guess you can somehow group us together by what continent we live on, but we're not united for the most part. You will rarely find a Korean fan of Ichiro. Tons of Asians don't like Manny Pacquiao because they don't like Filipinos for whatever dumb reason they have.

 

[ksteezy]

Oh shut up, PRs don't like Dominicans, Colombians don't like Ecuadorians, that won't stop the world from groupin us together as one Latin community, next time a black or an Asian person refers to my community as Latin I'm gonna get offended and tell him there is no such thing

This dude...

 

[stuntman mike]

cause filipinos are not asian 

 

 

[dirtylicious]

Originally Posted by NooEra

Originally Posted by hongcouver604

Originally Posted by MonStar1

Yes you are.  Dude was talking crazy like there's no such thing as Asian Americas at his college.  There's a big difference between Jeremy Lin and Yao Ming.

  

A difference, but not that big.  Jeremy's a first generation Asian-American, his father and mother raised him traditionally, he can even speak fluent (so-so) Chinese.... so there's not that big of a difference... Jeremy's just more Americanized since he grew up here, but he's always going to identify himself as Taiwanese/Chinese before American. 

There are fifth/sixth generation Asian Americans in the U.s (completely white-washed), those folks are the biggest difference.  They can't even speak their own native tongue and some don't even acknowledge their own cultural roots, talkin about eating meatloaf or spaghetti every night for dinner,  total #%@*+@ embarrassment to Asians, IMO.  

This exchange is interesting to me. Dirty says its an 'issue' that Asian Americans arent looked at as Americans. Then we have houngcover saying Americanized Asians are an "embarassment".

Dirty, how do you feel about Asians who haven't stayed true to their culture?

I believe that Asians should have a choice to choose and not have to pigeon hole themselves into one container or another.
The difference though is that one hongcouver's opinion is that of an Asian-American; whilst my point, is that perception of the more general American society at large.

Regarding those that are completely Americanized..  so be it.. that is their choice. 

I would think that any ethnic minority in the US would want to keep their ethnicity's culture and identity alive given the chance(as opposed to some Black Americans who cannot b/c they cannot trace their lineage); but at the end of the day...sometimes being an American IS their culture.  The sad part is that, the very same culture they view themselves a part of...doesn't view them the as a true member.

 

[luckyp90]

There's been some interviews where he talked about the racism he faced in college. He said he had crowds and other players saying racial slurs and other racist remarks towards him, coaches saying racist things like "you can't let that oriental do that", etc. He said he got really angry at first and his assistant coach(Afr. Amer.) talked to him about it and the coach said he faced it alot growing up too, and helped him find a way to deal with it.

 

[ldj]

Originally Posted by LuckyP90

There's been some interviews where he talked about the racism he faced in college. He said he had crowds and other players saying racial slurs and other racist remarks towards him, coaches saying racist things like "you can't let that oriental do that", etc. He said he got really angry at first and his assistant coach(Afr. Amer.) talked to him about it and the coach said he faced it alot growing up too, and helped him find a way to deal with it.

im sure he did but my thing is folks saying/acting like his race has nuttin to do with why he is praised or their fond of him... its simply ridiculous.. it be like someone black saying oh no one voted for obama just cause of his race.

 

[ksteezy]

Originally Posted by LDJ

Originally Posted by LuckyP90

There's been some interviews where he talked about the racism he faced in college. He said he had crowds and other players saying racial slurs and other racist remarks towards him, coaches saying racist things like "you can't let that oriental do that", etc. He said he got really angry at first and his assistant coach(Afr. Amer.) talked to him about it and the coach said he faced it alot growing up too, and helped him find a way to deal with it.

im sure he did but my thing is folks saying/acting like his race has nuttin to do with why he is praised or their fond of him... its simply ridiculous.. it be like someone black saying oh no one voted for obama just cause of his race.

Good point.And this is why i said race plays in his favor within his own community, I don't think it affects the amount of media coverage he's getting, what he has done, along with the Cinderella story is responsible for that media coverage....the fan base he has built, for sure is highly due to his race...

 

[mojodmonky1]

interesting article i read that is relevant to this topic

http://www.good.is/post/t...lin-s-black-antagonists/

 

[ldj]

ksteezy wrote:

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There's been some interviews where he talked about the racism he faced in college. He said he had crowds and other players saying racial slurs and other racist remarks towards him, coaches saying racist things like "you can't let that oriental do that", etc. He said he got really angry at first and his assistant coach(Afr. Amer.) talked to him about it and the coach said he faced it alot growing up too, and helped him find a way to deal with it.



im sure he did but my thing is folks saying/acting like his race has nuttin to do with why he is praised or their fond of him... its simply ridiculous.. it be like someone black saying oh no one voted for obama just cause of his race.


Good point. And this is why i said race plays in his favor within his own community, I don't think it affects the amount of media coverage he's getting, what he has done, along with the Cinderella story is responsible for that media coverage....the fan base he has built, for sure is highly due to his race...

its tiger woods all over again except tiger proved his greatness. or the williams sisters, again more then proved themselves. its a minority who some resonate with, who is given hope/dream to the chair athletes/ the kids who are subpar etc at the gym/park. with aspirations of if he can do it so can i. mixed with well i have to ride with him cause he is my race and everyone else is. 

ppl wanna act like their isnt folks who are all of a a sudden knicks fans who just happen to be the same race. or folks who just happen to be the same race and all of a sudden big bball fans.
  

 

[a55a5in11]

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by ksteezy

When did I say I was an expert?...you don't need to be an expert to see the effect certain players have had in ANY sport in THIS city, living here.

Hell are you talking about there is no Adian community? ...in that case there is no such thing as a Latino community then....

You're not Asian.

Originally Posted by cap1229

No Asian community? Wow

Neither are you.

I guess you can somehow group us together by what continent we live on, but we're not united for the most part. You will rarely find a Korean fan of Ichiro. Tons of Asians don't like Manny Pacquiao because they don't like Filipinos for whatever dumb reason they have.

everything you just said is 100% true. most of this site won't understand though

 

[luckyp90]

Originally Posted by LDJ

Originally Posted by LuckyP90

There's been some interviews where he talked about the racism he faced in college. He said he had crowds and other players saying racial slurs and other racist remarks towards him, coaches saying racist things like "you can't let that oriental do that", etc. He said he got really angry at first and his assistant coach(Afr. Amer.) talked to him about it and the coach said he faced it alot growing up too, and helped him find a way to deal with it.

im sure he did but my thing is folks saying/acting like his race has nuttin to do with why he is praised or their fond of him... its simply ridiculous.. it be like someone black saying oh no one voted for obama just cause of his race.

I wasn't replying to anyone in particular with that. I agree that his race has helped propel his popularity like it propelled Obama, using your example. Just saying that both of those guys probably had a hard time getting there. Also, his popularity being fueled by him being Asian is no excuse at all for the racism in any way. People say "Oh well it works both ways, he's getting popular now too because of it. So just take a good slanty eye joke, **** joke, karate joke, emperor joke, etc in the chin." What kind of way of thinking about it is that? This guy dealt with it even without the popularity. He didn't even ask for the popularity either. So basically, "Here Jeremy, we're going to give you all this media attention for doing well but then we'll hurl all this racist *#*# at you as well to balance it out."

I just think it's a joke that this kid was born in LA, grew up in Palo Alto, went to an Ivy League school and is probably more in tune with America than most people are, yet he still gets fortune cookie and karate jokes like we see on page 11. It wouldn't be anything to talk about if it was a little thing here and there by some fringe racist people, but it's not, it's being done by alot of people.