Shooting Reported at Las Vegas Casino Hotel

[ninjahood]

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[guccjermaine2]

Everybody would be hunters because we have feral animals of all kinds that aren't protected by law. Still everyone would continue to be armed.

 

[dwalk31]

No point in bringing facts into a good gun control debate...

 

[deleted]

No point in bringing facts into a good gun control debate...

That's funny coming from the known liar who just tried to pretend that rubber bullets aren't less lethal

 

[dwalk31]

That's funny coming from the known liar who just tried to pretend that rubber bullets aren't less lethal

This is the part where you can't find the post where I said rubber bullets are as lethal. I said that rubber bullets can kill... which is a fact.

 

[guccjermaine2]

The only solution bro's is to be more observant of your surroundings and protect your neck. You stand a 50% chance of dying just walking out your door everyday because we don't live on this earth alone. Be safe.

 

[dwalk31]

me: so you would be ok with rubber bullets?

him: you know you can still kill someone with rubber bullets?

also him: yes I would be ok with rubber bullets as long as I know they are effective in using for self defense

The saddest part is that you, and whoever liked your post, actually believe that those statements are mutually exclusive.

I will try my hand at simplifying it for you. You can kill someone with a butter knife. That doesn't mean that it would be effective for self defense.

 

[iamdef]

No point in bringing facts into a good gun control debate...

Now y'all know NH and facts don't fit

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

5) States with more guns have more gun deaths

<img src="https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9371353/gun_ownership_states.png" alt=""> Mother Jones
Using data from a study in Pediatrics and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Mother Jones put together the chart above that shows states with more guns tend to have far more gun deaths. And it’s not just one study. “Within the United States, a wide array of empirical evidence indicates that more guns in a community leads to more homicide,” David Hemenway, the Harvard Injury Control Research Center’s director, wrote in Private Guns, Public Health.

Read more in Mother Jones’s “10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down.”

7) States with tighter gun control laws have fewer gun-related deaths

<img src="https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9371423/gun_control_vs_deaths.jpg" alt=""> Zara Matheson/Martin Prosperity Institute
When economist Richard Florida took a look at gun deaths and other social indicators, he found that higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness didn’t correlate with more gun deaths. But he did find one telling correlation: States with tighter gun control laws have fewer gun-related deaths. (Read more at Florida’s “The Geography of Gun Deaths.”)

This is backed by other research: A 2016 review of 130 studies in 10 countries, published in Epidemiologic Reviews, found that new legal restrictions on owning and purchasing guns tended to be followed by a drop in gun violence — a strong indicator that restricting access to guns can save lives.

Still, gun homicides (like all homicides) have declined over the past couple decades

<img src="https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9371435/firearm_homicide_deaths.png" alt="">
The good news is that all firearm homicides, like all homicides and crime, have declined over the past two decades. (Although that may have changed in 2015 and 2016, with a recent rise in murders nationwide.)

There’s still a lot of debate among criminal justice experts about why this crime drop is occurring — some of the most credible ideas include mass incarceration, more and better policing, and reduced lead exposure from gasoline. But one theory that researchers have widely debunked is the idea that more guns have deterred crime — in fact, the opposite may be true, based on research compiled by the Harvard School of Public Health’s Injury Control Center.

 

[frink85]

I hate to be a logical fallacy dude but I'm gonna go ahead and attack the source, AEI is ultra conservative they got articles about how amazing deregulation is and how higher wages are evil.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/

We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates.

Edit: fixed the link

 

[iamdef]

And since NH didn't include his link I'll share it here:

http://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013/


The chart was created/based on this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-heres-why/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.0793eadafdcd

Which lists 5 reasons for the reduction in gun homicides:
1. More police officers on the beat
2. Police using computers
3. Less booze
4. Less lead
5. A better economy


Notable statements from NH link:

Ehrenfreund says that “Even as a certain type of mass shooting is apparently becoming more frequent, America has become a much less violent place. Much of the decline in violence is still unexplained, but researchers have identified several reasons for the shift.” He then points to factors explaining the decline in violent crime in general and gun homicides in particular, including more police officers on the beat making greater use of computers, a decline in alcohol consumption, less lead exposure, and an improving economy.

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Bottom Line: Even if you’re not convinced that increased gun ownership reduces violent crime and gun homicides, you should be totally convinced of this indisputable fact: Gun violence has been decreasing significantly over time, not increasing as you’ll frequently hear from anti-gun politicians and progressives. The gun-related homicide rate of 3.6 deaths per 100,000 population in each of the years 2010, 2011 and 2013 makes those recent years the safest in at least 20 years, and possibly the safest in modern US history, since “older data [before 1993] suggest that gun violence might have been even more widespread previously,” according to Ehrenfreund.

 

[frink85]

I saw that link too, but I made sure to find the most non-partisan source possible

 

[dwalk31]

I guess it is all in how you interpret the data.

 

[iamdef]

I guess it is all in how you interpret the data.

lmfaaaoooooooooooooooo you are something else

 

[dreamer23]

 

[hipstermike]

The only solution bro's is to be more observant of your surroundings and protect your neck. You stand a 50% chance of dying just walking out your door everyday because we don't live on this earth alone. Be safe.

I believe that this doesn't have to be the norm and I'm hopeful for a better world tomorrow

 

[iamdef]

"Can't debate facts.....I mean, depending on how you look at em"

 

[dwalk31]

"Can't debate facts.....I mean, depending on how you look at em"

Half empty or half full?

 

[iamdef]

 

[deleted]

lmfaaaoooooooooooooooo you are something else

He's quite typical

 

[MVP]

Interesting. Why isn't everybody on the tyrranical government fear train?

And of course NH never reads anything he cites.

 

[iamdef]

I have mixed feelings about hearing his response.

It's sure to be nonsense with laughing emojis and a condescending tone.
But then again, he may wait until the next argument pops off and slide back in on that and act like he didn't notice

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Less lead

It's still disputed but have you ever looked into the research on the effects of lead on crime/behavior in adolescent boys? It's really interesting.

 

[nelson999]

It's just a rush. Have you ever been to a gun range? Nobody needs a roller coaster ride, a Bugatti, a Jet Ski or many other things that people purchase in America.

And what was the last occurrence of a Bugatti or Jetski being used for mass murder?

 

[dwalk31]

Interesting. Why isn't everybody on the tyrranical government fear train?

And of course NH never reads anything he cites.

My spidey sense is telling me that criminals who commit violent crimes with firearms didn't respond to this survey

 

[iamdef]

It's still disputed but have you ever looked into the research on the effects of lead on crime/behavior in adolescent boys? It's really interesting.

if I can remember i'll check it out